Clen vs. ECA

[apollojay]

i was wondering some things about clen. i have heard it is about equal to an ECA stack except for lesser sides. like what? ECA really messed me up it terms of headaches, high BP and my heart would race periodically. should i expect the same from clen? thanks in advance guys.
-jay

 

[joe shmoe]

from my experience, clen is stronger. i got headaches...but some tylenol took care of that and by day 3 they stopped. definate racing of the heart at higher doses. try one pill and see how you like it. just make sure its regular clen, not IP's superclen. more sweating too.

have a nice day

 

[tHe_ShOcKeR]

as far as i know, clenbuterol is more potent than ephedrine by itself. the effectiveness of the caffeine and the aspirin when i comes to fat loss is not really strong enough to make a drastic difference. so, if you really wanna attack some fat, run a clen\t3 stack with good cardio and dieting, or just run some DNP.

 

[Shockrock3]

i was wondering some things about clen. i have heard it is about equal to an ECA stack except for lesser sides. like what? ECA really messed me up it terms of headaches, high BP and my heart would race periodically. should i expect the same from clen? thanks in advance guys.
-jay

I disagree my man...I think many more sides with Clen..like Joe said def. the headaches can be unbearable but will subside after a week...shakes are crazy once you hit 9-10 .02's a day. Fuckin hands tremble..ha ha try holding a fork and trying to eat ha ha funny shit. With Clen work your way upto a point where the sides become untolerable then dose down to where your comfortable.

Shock

 

[Southernjuice]

There are more dramatic sides associated with clen such as shakes and headaches however for fat loss "good" clen should be more sufficient.

 

[apollojay]

what would be a good cycle to run clen? in terms of doses and length. i heard no more than two weeks with two off. an eca stack just messes me up to bad. what about PCT? i thought none is needed for clen but just wanted to check. right now i am around 245, 6'1' and BF% in the low teens i would imagine. thanks
-jay

 

[patsfan]

I disagree my man...I think many more sides with Clen..like Joe said def. the headaches can be unbearable but will subside after a week...shakes are crazy once you hit 9-10 .02's a day. Fuckin hands tremble..ha ha try holding a fork and trying to eat ha ha funny shit. With Clen work your way upto a point where the sides become untolerable then dose down to where your comfortable.

Shock

Yup I have never been able to hack them. They are under the surface until I go to the gym and then Bam "workout over" To bad.

 

[gerard1]

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[Shockrock3]

what would be a good cycle to run clen? in terms of doses and length. i heard no more than two weeks with two off. an eca stack just messes me up to bad. what about PCT? i thought none is needed for clen but just wanted to check. right now i am around 245, 6'1' and BF% in the low teens i would imagine. thanks
-jay

Bro start at like 2 .02mcg a day and work your way up till you feel you can't handle the sides..stick with dose for 2 weeks. You need your receptors to down regulate during the 2 weeks your off (i.e. your body will get used to the Clen and thus will not be effective)..that's why you must switch to a ECA stack in order for your receptors to clear out...then hit the Clen again at the dose you can handle for 2 weeks..then back to ECA...maybe it was the brand of ECA that gave you problems?? Not sure..instead of popping maybe 3 ECA pills a day cut down to 2 my man. Dose your ECA like you would dose your Clen.

Check out dumbellpress in the classifieds...he has some ISS Zenotrope ECA for sale I beleive $25 which is a killa price considering it's not made anymore. Zenotrope is a Xenadrine clone and works in my opinion better.

Shock

 

[getswoll]

I've had great results from clen. Usually I start with one pill then go to two, three,etc... up to six for a few days then back to two then take a week off. As far as cardio goes, I'm sure it is different for anyone, but I've done some serious running while taking it, with no problems. I always seemed to have great workouts and runs when I took it, but that could just be me.

As far as sides go, I did get headaches, but took Ecedrine Migraine; it cleared them up great. Yeah, the shakes can be bad for the first few days. It was always fun trying to take legible notes in class.....

GS

 

[patsfan]

Is it dangerous to use clen during intense cardio workouts (like say running 10km, or road cycling?)?
I've used caffiene and ephedrine no problem, but usually in pretty low doses, like 200mg caff. and 15mg ephedrine..

Cardio!!! Whats that? Those are precious calories

 

[rjx]

Clen sides - You might get one side, or you might get them all.

NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN

"It can cause cartilage to develop around the heart causing it to stiffen. It will no longer be able to expand to the maximum when it beats. This also causes it to enlarge because the heart has to work harder to expand when cartilage is formed around it." - This is a side that MIGHT go away once clen is no longer being used.

I like clen, but fuck I can only handle 40 mcg's per day and i'm a fucking 5'11 210 pound dude. Even while on for 3 days in a row, I have to stop cause I feel shitty. But thats just how it effects me.

Its a good idea to cycle clen and eca. Take eca while off clen and vise/versa. DON'T take clen more than two weeks in a row as it should be ineffective since your body gets used to it. START with 20mcg for the first day or two. Gradually increase on a daily basis. DO NOT take more than 100mcg in a day!!!!

Clen can be used by itself, or stacked with test, winny, tren, primo, anavar, etc for that great cutting cycle.

This shit works, but START SLOW and be smart.

 

[apollojay]

during the two weeks off clen, do i have to take an eca stack? or is that just to maximize fat loss? everytime i took any ephedra product (xenidrine, ultimate orange -pill and drink mix- ripped fuel, gnc ephedra) i shook like brazy and my heart would race. sometimes even have trouble breathing. i dont think i would try it again. so, with that stated, should i just forget about running clen? decisions, decisions....
-jay

 

[Large1]

I actually got less sides from clen...sides from e/c drive me crazy I mainly hate the anxiety.

 

[joe shmoe]

PCT is not necessary with clen.

for a dose, you need to find out YOUR limit. start with 1 pill per day, for 2 days. on days 3 & 4, pop 2 pills each day. add one pill EOD till you get the shakes. then back off one pill. so, if you start to shake at 5 pills a day, 4 would be your dose without any shakes...so you can eat without sticking the fork in your eye . as was said before, after 2 weeks, you need to come off to "clean the receptors". if you dont want to run an ECA during your 2 weeks off....thats fine. after your 2 weeks off, you dont need to start at 1 pill again. you know your limit...in this example, 4....so you can start with 2 or 3 and work your way back up to 4.

have a nice day

 

[rjx]

during the two weeks off clen, do i have to take an eca stack? or is that just to maximize fat loss? everytime i took any ephedra product (xenidrine, ultimate orange -pill and drink mix- ripped fuel, gnc ephedra) i shook like brazy and my heart would race. sometimes even have trouble breathing. i dont think i would try it again. so, with that stated, should i just forget about running clen? decisions, decisions....
-jay

You don't need to run eca after clen. Its recommended so that you will have a better time adapting without clen (energy). But imo caffeine should be fine. Hell, you might even feel good coming off of clen and wouldn't need something else. Just depends on the individual.

But many people cycle the clen / eca stack to continue with the fat burning process since clen only works for a few weeks continuously.

I hear what you are saying about the eca though. That shit kicks my ass big time. Sometimes its scary. So what I do is throw one of my ephedrine tabs in the pill cutter and take half a dose at a time. Works well for me and I still feel it alot! I also cut my caffeine pills in half to even out the doses... but that probably doesn't matter to much.

BTW for those who are interested in purchasing ephedrine, its still legal to buy as an "Expectorant Bronchodilator".
http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=50

 

[higgy87]

I've done numerous stints of Liquid Clen. I started off at 80mcgs per day then slowly worked up to 180-200 mcgs per day. At those doses for me my hands were starting to shake so I stopped there. In my line of work I use my hands 100% of the time, and if I can't hold a tool...I dont get paid. But as for sides, the few that there were all dissappeared after 2-3 days. I noticed only an occasional headache, and a soft stool once or twice. I like how my body would sweat all day too, lets me know its working.


-Higgy87

 

[SOUTHFLEX]

clen

my cutup phase:
i always ran clen 2 weeks on 2 off, at (# tabs per day, dosed at 20mcg each): 2,2,4,4,6,6,8,8,6,6,4,4,2,2. then in the two weeks off i'd run an e/c/a stack (ephed. @ 50mg, caff. @ 200mg, aspirin @ 300mg), 3xday. then start back with the clen, and repeat the whole 3x (12 weeks). i start t3 week 1 of the clen and run it in a 3week cycle, then 6weeks off, then the same 3week cycle again, as follows (in mcg): 25,25,25,50,50,50,75,75,75,100,100,100,75,75,75,50,50,50,25,25,25. starting week 1 of the clen, i also run 200mg/wk deca x10wk., test prop at 50mg 3xweek (mostly for sex drive and strength) x10week, winstrol-d 50mg e/o/d x10week. usually b12 also, and hgh (year round usually) . combine this with a super intense cutup phase circuit training regimen and PROPER DIET and you will get SHREDDED!!!

notes: the clen can make your heart pound and your head feel like your standing in a tunnel next to a freight train, and i never take it (or ephed) after 3pm (2-3 dosage clen depending on day's dosage, 3 dosages e/c/a, both at 7am, 11am, 3pm) because otherwise i'll be up ALL NIGHT LONG. but i love the edge they give to my training. they definately add intensity, workout endurance and real strength increases. i have read that ephed can cause up to 10% strength increases and that along with caff and aspirin they have a synergistic effect on each other. i usually use ephed/ caff when i'm off-cycle 30-60min before training on leg day for increased intensity. when i'm on cycle i usually just use metil-test !!!
this isn't a beginner cutup, but the dosages and durations are pretty standard. just pick and choose what you think will work for you. note to newbies: always read up on any drug you intend to ingest so you know things like you can shock your thyroid and do PERMANENT damage to it with t3 if you take more than 100mcg/day, if you don't pyramid up and very importantly if you suddenly discontinue cycling it or for whatever reason do not cycle down. i shouldn't have to tell anyone this, but i would feel irresponsible recommending a cycle of such a potentially dangerous hormone without citing the cautions. do this right, and except for some discomfort, you will get what you're looking for! so, with that said, enjoy! SOUTHFLEX

 

[apollojay]

ok i know i am going to sound like a tool, but here goes. what is meant by 2 or 9-10 .02 mcg? i saw on the classifieds a reputable bro has liquid clen of 60ml at 200mcg/ml. so confused....

 

[Shockrock3]

ok i know i am going to sound like a tool, but here goes. what is meant by 2 or 9-10 .02 mcg? i saw on the classifieds a reputable bro has liquid clen of 60ml at 200mcg/ml. so confused....

Most pill form Clen is dosed at .02mcg per pill...except Hubei Clen which is dosed at .04mcg per pill.
Now liquid clen is dosed at the discretion of the producer...IBE Labs has 60ml/125mcg. In laymans terms...1cc/ml=6.25 tabs of clen if my math is correct. Now the above example (60ml at 200mcg/ml) would be 1cc/ml=10 tabs of clen per cc. This is all going by the fact that I'm using .02
Apollo there is no such thing as asking stupid/tool questions..better to educate yourself before taking something. Your doing the right thing here.

Shock