Clinton In Deep Shit.

[GigaloRob]

I'm not going to debate with you on the pitfalls of turning prisons into a business. There are multiple reasons why it is and or can become more of an issue.

One of the issues with private prisons is the fact that they benefit from keeping people there for as long as possible. They set the rules for all infractions comitted and can/do impose overly harsh punishments which always include more prison time. The longer they keep a person incarcerated in a private prison the more money they make. State prison is the exact opposite. I agree that private prisons are not necessarily a good thing.

 

[DedLift]

Honestly, i really hope the left comes to their senses and gives support where it is desperately needed instead of creating as many roadblocks as they possibly can. Our government is acting like a band of children on both sides of the fence. If this continues, our "Babylon" will most certainly fall and every one of us with a 401k will have to sit and watch our retirement fund go bankrupt as this pumped up market bubble pops. With no retirement fund and no social security, many will become murderously angry

 

[Eman]

One of the issues with private prisons is the fact that they benefit from keeping people there for as long as possible. They set the rules for all infractions comitted and can/do impose overly harsh punishments which always include more prison time. The longer they keep a person incarcerated in a private prison the more money they make. State prison is the exact opposite. I agree that private prisons are not necessarily a good thing.

It's possible they COULD be a good way to go if they were tightly regulated... But I honestly doubt it. It's a very slippery slope and in a country like ours where we imprison our citizens HEAVILY, I don't think it's a good thing in any way.

 

[GigaloRob]

It's possible they COULD be a good way to go if they were tightly regulated... But I honestly doubt it. It's a very slippery slope and in a country like ours where we imprison our citizens HEAVILY, I don't think it's a good thing in any way.

Yeah I did watch a documentary on private prisons but I don't recall the name of it. It was pretty eye opening and made me see it from a different perspective.

 

[Eman]

Yeah I did watch a documentary on private prisons but I don't recall the name of it. It was pretty eye opening and made me see it from a different perspective.

I'd be interested to check it out but fuck, I get tired of gritting my teeth with shit like that...

 

[tenpoundsleft]

I'm not going to debate with you on the pitfalls of turning prisons into a business. There are multiple reasons why it is and or can become more of an issue.

Even if stop and frisk did work, which it really doesn't, I would not support this kind of tactic...

It's funny, the right wants less government intervention in our lives and yet supports being stopped on the street and searched for no reason. GTFO.

Somehow I knew you'd include your own experience with prostitute's in your reply to my sarcasm... HIV infected minors don't do much for me personally.

Regarding private prisons. The government does a horrible job of running ANYTHING - they operate the least ineffectively when they set the standards and inspect the delivery - quite similar to large corporations and subcontracting. But you probably don't know anything about that either.

"Stop, question and frisk" is proven to work - it's not done for absolutely no reason. The more relevant question is whether or not there is a political stomach for this. The SJW and BLM types would rather play knockout games or riot in malls I suppose. BTW, almost half of the NYPD force is either black or Hispanic - I guess they're self-haters then, isn't that the term you people use?

So you've stopped your relations with HIV infected minors? Good for you - stay sober - I've never gone there myself.

 

[XKawN]

Stop and frisk is about as un-American as you can get. Not ok no matter what the situation.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

One of the issues with private prisons is the fact that they benefit from keeping people there for as long as possible. They set the rules for all infractions comitted and can/do impose overly harsh punishments which always include more prison time. The longer they keep a person incarcerated in a private prison the more money they make. State prison is the exact opposite. I agree that private prisons are not necessarily a good thing.

The primary problem is that our Congress critters (and state and local) have made soooooo much illegal over the years. Each new law creates a new kind of criminal by definition.

Your anecdotal story about why privatization is bad is a sign of a poorly outsourced process - the owner (the gov't) can't throw it over the wall, they need to stay involved, and monitor. It's not as if abuses don't take place in publicly run facilities.

You should be more concerned with the peculiar prosecutorial approach known as "plea bargains" here in the US. Only fairly recently allowed btw - SCOTUS case in 1970 - and it carries numerous issues. Plea bargaining in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[ronin17]

Then by your logic (not in charge of the purse), Bush isn't responsible either, right?

BTW, just so we're clear - I have contempt for ALL politicians to some degree.

I dont see your point.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Stop and frisk is about as un-American as you can get. Not ok no matter what the situation.

Are you claiming that we still have a 4th Amendment? That's news to me.

Even if the 4th were taken seriously, there is still a probable cause exemption ("--- against unreasonable searches ---") that is big enough to drive a truck through. Certainly big enough to permit cops to search those appearing to be up to no good. As I said, it depends on your political stomach how you chose to follow that - it seems clear that blanket prohibitions don't serve us well either.

 

[XKawN]

Are you claiming that we still have a 4th Amendment? That's news to me.

Even if the 4th were taken seriously, there is still a probable cause exemption ("--- against unreasonable searches ---") that is big enough to drive a truck through. Certainly big enough to permit cops to search those appearing to be up to no good. As I said, it depends on your political stomach how you chose to follow that - it seems clear that blanket prohibitions don't serve us well either.

I don't see the difference between taking our guns away due to crime and stop and frisk due to crime. Imo, both are reasons to revolt against our government.

 

[ronin17]

You have provided zero facts and I have supplied many. You have discussed your feelings and I have shown facts. I can't take you seriously at this point because all you do is spew false information and then insult anyone that doesn't agree with you. You are following the liberal playbook here by offering no facts, telling people how you feel about something as if that trumps facts and insulting others with a differing opinion in order to shut them down. My favorite insult is when you attempt to take the intellectual high ground after all your statements have been decimated and debunked.

I'm not going to call you stupid or insult your level of intelligence because I honestly don't know you well enough. I don't attribute intelligence to someone's political views. It's ok to be wrong and to lose a pseudo political debate as I have done to people in my life before. I'm not always correct and when someone can show my statements to be inaccurate I will admit I was wrong. Nobody here can discuss how right or wrong your personal feelings are since they are yours which is why facts are important and not your personal feelings.

I have provided many facts. They don't support your argument so you discard them. This is always the problem with these discussions. It never seens to be about facts. You want to make the argument that she is responsible for everything that happens in the state department because she was secretary.
Thats not how it works.

You obviously have no experience with government. There are hundreds of layers between her and the people that make the decision of how many contracters they have at each embassy.

She has zero input on such Matters. That has been my point this whole time. Put the blame where it belongs. Because they fucked up.

I would think if you were really bothered by what happened in bengazi you would want to hold the right people Responsible. Thats all. Its really not that important to me to devote this much time to it. I hope you hold all politicians feet to the fire like you do with Clinton.

The only thing I would so humbly suggest
Is to put your political leanings aside when making your decisions.

 

[GigaloRob]

The primary problem is that our Congress critters (and state and local) have made soooooo much illegal over the years. Each new law creates a new kind of criminal by definition.

Your anecdotal story about why privatization is bad is a sign of a poorly outsourced process - the owner (the gov't) can't throw it over the wall, they need to stay involved, and monitor. It's not as if abuses don't take place in publicly run facilities.

You should be more concerned with the peculiar prosecutorial approach known as "plea bargains" here in the US. Only fairly recently allowed btw - SCOTUS case in 1970 - and it carries numerous issues. Plea bargaining in the United States - Wikipedia

Perhaps you should learn what the term "anecdotal" means considering my comment was directly taken from watching a documentary on prisons for profit. In order for it to be anecdotal it would have to be based on my personal view and devoid of facts or research which it obviously is not.

With proper oversight and standards then I wouldn't see issues with private prisons. We were discussing "possible" issues and corresponding reasons why private prisons may not be the best option. Since we don't know personally what goes on inside of them all we can do is give our personal feelings on the matter. I'm all for you delivering me some facts on how much safer they are, how much cheaper they are, how safer are the inmates and the guards as opposed to state run facilities.

 

[ronin17]

It's possible they COULD be a good way to go if they were tightly regulated... But I honestly doubt it. It's a very slippery slope and in a country like ours where we imprison our citizens HEAVILY, I don't think it's a good thing in any way.

You fucked up @Eman . You said the regulation word. Nothing good could ever come from regulations.

 

[Eman]

"Stop, question and frisk" is proven to work - it's not done for absolutely no reason

^ this is where I stopped reading... You have no clue what the fuck you're talking about. Not that I needed to read this to know...

 

[Eman]

You fucked up @Eman . You said the regulation word. Nothing good could ever come from regulations.

Would you prefer regulated or unregulated private prisons?

I guess we'll only have so much tax money to spend out of our paychecks though after the "wall tax" comes out... That's for a different thread though.

 

[GigaloRob]

Would you prefer regulated or unregulated private prisons?

I guess we'll only have so much tax money to spend out of our paychecks though after the "wall tax" comes out... That's for a different thread though.

Keep your trump comments in the appropriate thread

 

[ronin17]

Would you prefer regulated or unregulated private prisons?

I guess we'll only have so much tax money to spend out of our paychecks though after the "wall tax" comes out... That's for a different thread though.

You know how I feel about it @Eman.

In my state there has been a ten fold increase in private prisions in the last ten years. The majority of Our last governers staff consisted of former private prision lobbiests.

Multiple contracts were awarded through the governers infuence. The federal government has taken alot of those contracts back after increases in escape, murder, rape by guards, even guards smuggling in contraband.

 

[Big_paul]

Honestly, i really hope the left comes to their senses and gives support where it is desperately needed instead of creating as many roadblocks as they possibly can. Our government is acting like a band of children on both sides of the fence

Lets use the supreme court seat that has been open for a year. As an example of obstruction.

The senate , mcconnell, refused to give the guy a hearing. He then said it would be up to the next president to pick. Then when all reasonable people thought HC would win, the republican party said we didn't need that 9th justice. They were never going to give her a SC seat to fill.

As for that cocksucker trump, that wimping cunt wasn't even going to concede the election if he lost.

What Obama saw the last 8 years is what DT will see in the next 4. What goes around comes around. That motherfucker will be impeached when this country realises what a cray cray bastard they elected.

 

[XKawN]

Lets use the supreme court seat that has been open for a year. As an example of obstruction.

The senate , mcconnell, refused to give the guy a hearing. He then said it would be up to the next president to pick. Then when all reasonable people thought HC would win, the republican party said we didn't need that 9th justice. They were never going to give her a SC seat to fill.

As for that cocksucker trump, that wimping cunt wasn't even going to concede the election if he lost.

What Obama saw the last 8 years is what DT will see in the next 4. What goes around comes around. That motherfucker will be impeached when this country realises what a cray cray bastard they elected.

C'mon, BP. That's politics. You know, like when the Democrats forced obamacare down America's throat when there wasn't enough Republicans to stop it. Now the Democrats are saying they want to see the replacement and be a part of it... you know, like the Republicans were able to see obamacare before it was voted on and like they were apart of molding the bill. Ok, politics, but what I really want to drive home is, you don't see the difference in the way both sides handle disagreement? Both politicians and the general public? Point in case. The peaceful tea party protests or gatherings vs the destructive tactics the left is using to bring down everything they disagree with? You may hate trump, and I'm no fan, but you have to atleast see that.