Cloudy gear.

[calfcramp]

I'm a novice home brewer. Personal use only/ mostly. I have recently brewed 120ml of bold 300 and 100ml of tren 200. These two came out cloudy. I' re-filtered, and it got better but not completely clear like I'm accustomed to. I use a gas burner and heat to about 100°F when needed. I use no water for any part of the process.
I use 150ml .2um Nalgene Bottle Top Filter - 33mm neck. I dispose of them after 1 use of one composition. My GSO is filtered and visibly clear. I use 50/50 GSO/ EO. I use the same source but this is the first problem I'v had with the gear. I beginning to suspect impurities.
My question is what in the world is making my gear cloudy?

 

[ChaseQ]

Sounds like it crashed on you.

Did you use any BA? Im assuming you went with the EO instead of BB?

 

[calfcramp]

Sounds like it crashed on you.

Did you use any BA? Im assuming you went with the EO instead of BB?

No I use both.

The tren went like this:
20g powder
35ml Ethyl Oleate (EO)
32ml Grapeseed Oil (GSO)
3ml BA (3%)
15ml BB (15%)

The Bold went like this:
36g powder
35.4ml EO
30ml GSO
3.6ml BA (3%)
24ml BB (20%)

As a reminder I'm novice. There is a picture attached. I've had crashed gear more than one a few times. Mast tends to crystallize when I store it in a cool place. I have reheated it with no change. It doesn't look crashed either just cloudy like my gso wasn't filtered but not the case. I've done research on cloudy gear and can yield only that it's not necessarily bad. Well hopefully someone can shine light on my question. I have two other dilemmas to deal with too. Could use some expertise advice.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Gear shouldnt be cloudy, and I wouldnt inject anything like that. Practice makes perfect..

 

[tns]

what are the esthers. im assuming its short/

 

[calfcramp]

what are the esthers. im assuming its short/

Tren Enanthate and Bold Undecylenate.

 

[Undertow333]

Have you tried reheating it as if it were crashed gear? My buddy sent me a couple hundred mLs of test prop this winter and it was cloudy/ semi crashed. After reheating it was good to go and still looks fine now.

 

[tns]

now my next question seeing that you are a rookie( i myself have brewed once but with 100% success).
did you took a scale 0.01g sensitive and weighted the powder?

 

[calfcramp]

Have you tried reheating it as if it were crashed gear? My buddy sent me a couple hundred mLs of test prop this winter and it was cloudy/ semi crashed. After reheating it was good to go and still looks fine now.

That's what I suspect. I was thinking of bringing them to their melting point. That works with winny so it should take care of the problem if it's crashed.

 

[calfcramp]

now my next question seeing that you are a rookie( i myself have brewed once but with 100% success).
did you took a scale 0.01g sensitive and weighted the powder?

no.

 

[Undertow333]

That's what I suspect. I was thinking of bringing them to their melting point. That works with winny so it should take care of the problem if it's crashed.

Just dont forget to vent your vials. I have made that mistake many years ago and my oven reeked of Fina forever after the vials blew.

 

[calfcramp]

Just dont forget to vent your vials. I have made that mistake many years ago and my oven reeked of Fina forever after the vials blew.

Holy shit, dude! That's a bummer.
I have them in media bottles and I'll bake them in a 250ml boiling flask.

 

[tns]

OK so you got a powder from someone saying its e.g. 10g and you go ahead and count from there your % ba bb and GSO etc etc
the biggest mistake of em all. you MUST absolutely weigh the powder before brewing. when i ordered some test from md of 10g i got 11,1 if i remember correctly.so if i had my calculations done for 10g my mg/ml ratio would be off
get my point?

 

[Undertow333]

OK so you got a powder from someone saying its e.g. 10g and you go ahead and count from there your % ba bb and GSO etc etc
the biggest mistake of em all. you MUST absolutely weigh the powder before brewing. when i ordered some test from md of 10g i got 11,1 if i remember correctly.so if i had my calculations done for 10g my mg/ml ratio would be off
get my point?

This ^^^. My powders were all over by a gram and change.

 

[calfcramp]

OK so you got a powder from someone saying its e.g. 10g and you go ahead and count from there your % ba bb and GSO etc etc
the biggest mistake of em all. you MUST absolutely weigh the powder before brewing. when i ordered some test from md of 10g i got 11,1 if i remember correctly.so if i had my calculations done for 10g my mg/ml ratio would be off
get my point?

I think so. Are you suggesting that I may have more powder then I what my numbers called for and they it didn't completely take to the solvents?
According to my scale I'm never more than .15 over and that's rare. In regards to my scale, it's cheap.
So if my powder value is too high and that's causing the opaqueness then what would your solution be?

 

[Holl]

I'm a novice home brewer. Personal use only/ mostly. I have recently brewed 120ml of bold 300 and 100ml of tren 200. These two came out cloudy. I' re-filtered, and it got better but not completely clear like I'm accustomed to. I use a gas burner and heat to about 100°F when needed. I use no water for any part of the process.
I use 150ml .2um Nalgene Bottle Top Filter - 33mm neck. I dispose of them after 1 use of one composition. My GSO is filtered and visibly clear. I use 50/50 GSO/ EO. I use the same source but this is the first problem I'v had with the gear. I beginning to suspect impurities.
My question is what in the world is making my gear cloudy?

The gear has not crashed, I believe it is one of two things. The first possibility is humidity in the final mix. This can happen if you sterilize glass vials, stoppers,etc with steam. Sometimes you can get condensation trapped and not notice it, the final result is something like your pic.

The other consideration is the powder. I recently brewed some Tren from a new source and it came out like yours. I filtered, reheaeted, refiltered, filtered at room temp, etc. I ran through 4 diffrerent filters and it would not clear up, only temporarily be clear then go back.

I put the vial on a top shelf and forgot about it. A couple weeks later Iooked up and to my surprise the Tren was clear, beautiful golden color! I couldnt believe it.

When I grabbed the vial I noticed that there looked to be residue settled at the bottom. I trasferred the Tren to a clean, sterile vial and the stuff that had setteld at the bottom of the vial was hardened. I mean I couldnt even scrub it out.

The Tren was now clear and looked like a normal batch.

Let it sit a couple of weeks and see if that same thing occurs, unless you think that you may have had some condensation or humidity issues in your equioment or process.

I hope that is helpful.

 

[calfcramp]

The gear has not crashed, I believe it is one of two things. The first possibility is humidity in the final mix. This can happen if you sterilize glass vials, stoppers,etc with steam. Sometimes you can get condensation trapped and not notice it, the final result is something like your pic.

The other consideration is the powder. I recently brewed some Tren from a new source and it came out like yours. I filtered, reheaeted, refiltered, filtered at room temp, etc. I ran through 4 diffrerent filters and it would not clear up, only temporarily be clear then go back.

I put the vial on a top shelf and forgot about it. A couple weeks later Iooked up and to my surprise the Tren was clear, beautiful golden color! I couldnt believe it.

When I grabbed the vial I noticed that there looked to be residue settled at the bottom. I trasferred the Tren to a clean, sterile vial and the stuff that had setteld at the bottom of the vial was hardened. I mean I couldnt even scrub it out.

The Tren was now clear and looked like a normal batch.

Let it sit a couple of weeks and see if that same thing occurs, unless you think that you may have had some condensation or humidity issues in your equioment or process.

I hope that is helpful.

Thanks for your input. Everything helps.
I don't think it's moisture. It's doing what you described but it's at the top of the oil. When I re-filtered it came through clear till the last 30ml or so then the drops became cloudy again. I did try baking with no good results. It must be impurities. I just switched sources and the tren a is letting my buddy down. Bad source I guess. How'd your gear turn out, quality wise, after the separation?