Combining NPP and Tren

[Ron OG Mouse]

Those ‘base’ compounds are no ester right? So they run through you like olestra chips? I’m on this tren ace which is the shortest ester I’ve played with, followed by mast P. But those base/no ester oils are more like preworkout? Seems like an awful long time for 350mg/week exposure to tren, but it’s nice to hear that I’m not some crazy anomaly because the tren didn’t make me a crazy mess yet.

It was the old school no ester back in the day then ace once people started making it. I am about to take my first journey on Tren E. Only gonna run 200mg though. Was considering mixing in Mast E but kinda trending on leaving it out right now. I like shorter esters in general but just not in the mood to be more a pin cushion right now with all the peptides I'm already running.

 

[lipzz17]

I did 300 tren and 300 npp. That shit was awful, I was an absolute menace. Libido was on some other shit. Im not allowed to do those again because it will for sure ruin my marriage, my wife said no more girlfriends either. If you’re single, in an open relationship or dating an absolute freak or nympho, ok it’s a lot of fun go ahead.
Tren alone is chill, the npp exacerbated the tren sides to an obscene degree.

Without testosterone ?

 

[Slowww]

Without testosterone ?

Of course with a base of testosterone

 

[dinfaralt]

I’m running an exploratory tren cycle- not for gains but to gauge my tolerance

i stopped reading after this, get a grip.

 

[syuri]

i stopped reading after this, get a grip.

So we bash people for running tren saying it's not necessary, yet when people try to run the compound in a smart way, and tapering up to find a comfortable dose for their genetics with side effect mitigation in mind, there's a problem? What the hell can we even do anymore without being judged man? God.

 

[bananafeet]

So we bash people for running tren saying it's not necessary, yet when people try to run the compound in a smart way, and tapering up to find a comfortable dose for their genetics with side effect mitigation in mind, there's a problem? What the hell can we even do anymore without being judged man? God.

Some people come on this board just to hate. A lot of egos and jealousy in this sport.

 

[dinfaralt]

So we bash people for running tren saying it's not necessary, yet when people try to run the compound in a smart way, and tapering up to find a comfortable dose for their genetics with side effect mitigation in mind, there's a problem? What the hell can we even do anymore without being judged man? God.

i stopped reading, i have no info on what you're talking about.

have a great day

 

[Mfras]

Some people come on this board just to hate. A lot of egos and jealousy in this sport.

It’s all good- I commented because my questionable decision applies to OPs question- combining tren with deca/npp.

I don’t really have vices other than sex and some ped abuse but I’ve spent my life playing music around the world, bouncing in clubs, doing visual arts. I’ve been around and tried all the bad drugs, wasn’t really a fan other than weed when I was younger. I’ve watched friends fall in love with them and fuck their lives or die. “Drugs are bad mmmkaye” I get it and take responsibility for my actions- and playing with tren is kind of a dumb one.

Lucky for me you don’t need anyone’s approval nor is it possible to qualify for a tren eligibility. If I feel I deserve the opportunity it’s because I’ve played with all the “safer” compounds I’m interested in and gained experience with managing their side effects, plus spent years recently rigidly controlling my diet and training, with effects that are very unimpressive in the bodybuilding world but life changing for me.

And while I greatly appreciate you gentlemen having my back (it certainly feels great and getting ganged up on would not feel great) and I’m equal parts careful PED explorer and fat old retard, some trolling and pushback from real bodybuilders and more experienced users is expected and in a way a good and healthy pushback against people making dangerous choices.

Apologies for the hijack OP

 

[dinfaralt]

It’s all good- I commented because my questionable decision applies to OPs question- combining tren with deca/npp.

dont worry mate, i just read that line "im not on tren to build muscle" and made a joke. dont read too much into it

maybe its good you are not on high tren dose, perfect example of tren rage from the others

 

[Mfras]

dont worry mate, i just read that line "im not on tren to build muscle" and made a joke. dont read too much into it

maybe its good you are not on high tren dose, perfect example of tren rage from the others

Ha! Even if you were an irritable troll I’d still appreciate ya. My current situation is that having found no uncomfortable sides I’m holding below 350 and waiting to see if trouble brews, or if I stay at the +3-4lbs that the tren brought while hitting PRs and seeing veins in new places. If disturbing strength and fucked bloodwork is all I see after a month I will have learned something perhaps scarier than if I started waking up soaking wet breathing the contents of my stomach at 150/week.

 

[bananafeet]

Ha! Even if you were an irritable troll I’d still appreciate ya. My current situation is that having found no uncomfortable sides I’m holding below 350 and waiting to see if trouble brews, or if I stay at the +3-4lbs that the tren brought while hitting PRs and seeing veins in new places. If disturbing strength and fucked bloodwork is all I see after a month I will have learned something perhaps scarier than if I started waking up soaking wet breathing the contents of my stomach at 150/week.

At the lower doses of tren you get the anti catabolic effect. As you ramp the dose up you get more muscle building and nutrient partitioning.

Some people abuse tren and run a lot of it. So I think your dose is pretty reasonable.

 

[Mfras]

At the lower doses of tren you get the anti catabolic effect. As you ramp the dose up you get more muscle building and nutrient partitioning.

Some people abuse tren and run a lot of it. So I think your dose is pretty reasonable.

Anti catabolic. So decreases your body’s tendency to rob muscle for energy. And nutrient patritioning meaning any intake of energy is directed toward muscle building not fat gain. I’ve read about these effects but my current protocol leans on slightly high testosterone cruise and exercise to stoke recomp and retain muscle during my cut.

In the interest of not clogging this man’s thread I’ll try to keep discussion aimed at tren’s possible usefulness as a moderate part of a stack- seems to be his intent. I understand everyone reacts differently to compounds but also have read that high (let’s say 500+/week or more) tren can induce a psychotic amount of lean mass building and either simultaneous fat loss or the ability to eat 6000 calories of drive through fast food and not get fat.

In my own experiment I have been more interested in finding the threshold of side effects. I didn’t stay on >100/week long enough to see if I experienced faster fat loss, nor am I going to eat 1200 cals/day to discover if I can lose 3lbs a week and not lose strength with a little tren going in, although it would be interesting to find out if someone ran such an unhealthy experiment.

My current 350 ceiling for a weekly dose seems like it might be a serious one for muscle building, if a moderate one. I’ve experienced some increased hunger lately and been closer to 2100cal/day average than my planned 1950. No big deal, still in a nice deficit, but also starting to see a leaner look despite the extra cals. And as I ramped up thru 5-10mg/day I gained 4ish lbs that’s stayed. Thinking it’s water/muscular glycogen like inter and some extracellular water.

Apologies for the diarrhea of the keyboard but my point is that I’m curious how tren could be successfully used at lower doses, it’s risk/reward compared to just doing something like upping trt from 200mg to recomp trt+ 300mg/week, and the theoretical tipping point of background work with minimal damage to active anabolic mass builder with magical fat loss or aesthetic benefits.

 

[adrenalytic]

Ha! Even if you were an irritable troll I’d still appreciate ya. My current situation is that having found no uncomfortable sides I’m holding below 350 and waiting to see if trouble brews, or if I stay at the +3-4lbs that the tren brought while hitting PRs and seeing veins in new places. If disturbing strength and fucked bloodwork is all I see after a month I will have learned something perhaps scarier than if I started waking up soaking wet breathing the contents of my stomach at 150/week.

I started microdosing tren E because yolo (and steadier levels, more drug concentration etc.) at 20 mg/wk, got saturated a couple weeks ago and didn't really notice anything. Bumped it to 50mg and it's starting to kick. Libido increased but not uncontrollable (sorry trannies), a couple night sweats but again nothing crazy. No other sides. On the plus side, seeing moderate strength increases even though I dropped DHB last week and seeing more vascularity. My shins have veins I never knew existed.

I'm going to titrate up to 100mg/wk for an upcoming cut. Should be fun.

 

[dinfaralt]

I gained 4ish lbs that’s stayed. Thinking it’s water/muscular glycogen like inter and some extracellular water.

usually for me on tren 5-10 ish lbs waterweight goes off once i taper off.

also strength. build 40 kilo strength first time tren? expect to lose 5kg going off tren gain 5kg again next time i jump on. its really effective at building muscle and strength but some of it will be lost everytime u come off, game is game you will be stronger and bigger on tren than without it.

tren hits all receptors 100x harder than any compound and defiently hits more than testosterone, jumping on tren for first time its like your first cycle. i will defiently never use it on a cut but instead a bulk. hgh to retain muscle on cut is much better option. tren fucking works to build muscle and in my opinion you should use it when you've primed your body with enough food for it. the damage isnt worth in my eyes in a cut unless i was competing and i wanted to look freakish

 

[bananafeet]

usually for me on tren 5-10 ish lbs waterweight goes off once i taper off.

also strength. build 40 kilo strength first time tren? expect to lose 5kg going off tren gain 5kg again next time i jump on. its really effective at building muscle and strength but some of it will be lost everytime u come off, game is game you will be stronger and bigger on tren than without it.

tren hits all receptors 100x harder than any compound and defiently hits more than testosterone, jumping on tren for first time its like your first cycle. i will defiently never use it on a cut but instead a bulk. hgh to retain muscle on cut is much better option. tren fucking works to build muscle and in my opinion you should use it when you've primed your body with enough food for it. the damage isnt worth in my eyes in a cut unless i was competing and i wanted to look freakish

I'm new to all this. But as far as I know tren isn't used for bulking because it makes it hard to eat and sleep. It also boosts the metabolism so you burn through more energy.

I suppose if you addressed this it would be quite good.

 

[dinfaralt]

I'm new to all this. But as far as I know tren isn't used for bulking because it makes it hard to eat and sleep. It also boosts the metabolism so you burn through more energy.

I suppose if you addressed this it would be quite good.

its subjective. my worst side effect on tren has been acne, from 400mg minimum dosage to 1g max dosage.

yes i was waking up soaking in sweat, but i didnt have issues with sleep.

probably why i stopped is because of the shin/calf pump got so bad after 3-4 months on 400mg+ tren i had trouble walking more than 15-20 mins. you run it long enough with higher dosages? its even gonna hit your muscles so hard from a walk its gonna be hard to walk...

 

[bananafeet]

its subjective. my worst side effect on tren has been acne, from 400mg minimum dosage to 1g max dosage.

yes i was waking up soaking in sweat, but i didnt have issues with sleep.

probably why i stopped is because of the shin/calf pump got so bad after 3-4 months on 400mg+ tren i had trouble walking more than 15-20 mins. you run it long enough with higher dosages? its even gonna hit your muscles so hard from a walk its gonna be hard to walk...

I'm on head meds and seems to be able to sleep fine on 100mg ace a day. Don't know how long I'll run it for.

It's summer here and I'm cooking.

 

[dinfaralt]

I'm on head meds and seems to be able to sleep fine on 100mg ace a day. Don't know how long I'll run it for.

It's summer here and I'm cooking.

lucky guy, im rocking a moose knuckles winter jacket with fur already im war ready for minus degree weather, isnt far off here in scandinavia.

 

[syuri]

I started microdosing tren E because yolo (and steadier levels, more drug concentration etc.) at 20 mg/wk, got saturated a couple weeks ago and didn't really notice anything. Bumped it to 50mg and it's starting to kick. Libido increased but not uncontrollable (sorry trannies), a couple night sweats but again nothing crazy. No other sides. On the plus side, seeing moderate strength increases even though I dropped DHB last week and seeing more vascularity. My shins have veins I never knew existed.

I'm going to titrate up to 100mg/wk for an upcoming cut. Should be fun.

How often do you dose? Was thinking of swapping to enan too for a microdose.

 

[Ron OG Mouse]

I'm new to all this. But as far as I know tren isn't used for bulking because it makes it hard to eat and sleep. It also boosts the metabolism so you burn through more energy.
I suppose if you addressed this it would be quite good.

A lot of people think that but actually you can do some nice bulking with Tren. Tren and test together can be used for either cutting or bulking with great results