Combining NPP and Tren

[Slowww]

I'm on head meds and seems to be able to sleep fine on 100mg ace a day. Don't know how long I'll run it for.

It's summer here and I'm cooking.

100-150 is the most livable imo. Once you get over this threshold, the side effects can definitely take a toll on psychology or quality of life.
Tbh if you don’t get acid reflux, stomach issues like trouble with regularity etc, or appetite suppression it’s a great tool on a bulk, or even a rebound if you’re healthy enough

 

[bananafeet]

100-150 is the most livable imo. Once you get over this threshold, the side effects can definitely take a toll on psychology or quality of life.
Tbh if you don’t get acid reflux, stomach issues like trouble with regularity etc, or appetite suppression it’s a great tool on a bulk, or even a rebound if you’re healthy enough

The Mirtazapine seems to kill off a lot of the side effects. It's a strong anti nausea and anti histamine... So it makes you hungry and sleepy.

But I might have to lower the dose as tren is pushing me into ketosis and I'm pissing like a race horse. It already lowered my evening blood glucose fasting from 5.1 to 4.6 and my morning from 5.9 to 5.1.

Crazy drug

 

[adrenalytic]

How often do you dose? Was thinking of swapping to enan too for a microdose.

MWF with my test. Love it so far. Don't fear the enanthate ester. Especially on low doses. People like ace cuz they can abort quick if demons show up but that's usually cuz they're using 300mg+. Way less issues sub 100.

 

[syuri]

The Mirtazapine seems to kill off a lot of the side effects. It's a strong anti nausea and anti histamine... So it makes you hungry and sleepy.

But I might have to lower the dose as tren is pushing me into ketosis and I'm pissing like a race horse. It already lowered my evening blood glucose fasting from 5.1 to 4.6 and my morning from 5.9 to 5.1.

Crazy drug

Ordered some… gonna take some time to get here. Sigh. Can’t wait to try it out though

 

[Ripped9]

I’ve combined the two despite all of the so called warnings, no issues and great results

 

[bananafeet]

its subjective. my worst side effect on tren has been acne, from 400mg minimum dosage to 1g max dosage.

yes i was waking up soaking in sweat, but i didnt have issues with sleep.

probably why i stopped is because of the shin/calf pump got so bad after 3-4 months on 400mg+ tren i had trouble walking more than 15-20 mins. you run it long enough with higher dosages? its even gonna hit your muscles so hard from a walk its gonna be hard to walk...

You were right. Holy shit...

I'm sitting down because I went walking in the park. Got about 1km before the calf pump got so bad I had to stop walking. My outer calf is so tight. Crazy shit.

Hopefully this shit wears off soon.

 

[dinfaralt]

Hopefully this shit wears off soon.

get off tren was my solution.

some people will say electrolytes etc but yeah idk if you find the solution good for you can stay on tren. that shit is not a way to live life not being able to walk.

 

[bananafeet]

get off tren was my solution.

some people will say electrolytes etc but yeah idk if you find the solution good for you can stay on tren. that shit is not a way to live life not being able to walk.

I can walk fine. Just brisk walking brings it on. Yeah definitely agree with you.

 

[dinfaralt]

I can walk fine. Just brisk walking brings it on. Yeah definitely agree with you.

ohh you're experiencing early symptoms

it gets worse with time.

 

[bananafeet]

ohh you're experiencing early symptoms

it gets worse with time.

I guess I don't need to get this tren tested lol

I'm starting to doubt anyone can run gram doses of this shit. It's so toxic over 300mg a week.

 

[wells14]

Anyone have experience combining several 19nors? And does the Testosterone dose play a role in terms of side effects?

Apart from the obvious side effects like organ toxicity, 19-nor sides are heavily individual. I ran TrenA and NPP together for a few weeks and the only sides I got were bicep & forearm acne which for me indicates liver/kidney damage. I never get mental sides from anything so if you're susceptible to that you know what to expect stacking 19-nors.

 

[dinfaralt]

I guess I don't need to get this tren tested lol

I'm starting to doubt anyone can run gram doses of this shit. It's so toxic over 300mg a week.

idk if everyone get the same shit as we do.

i ran tren e for 6 months at a time, got it after month 3 or 4. i could probably run tren a for 8-12 weeks and stop it, but im a fan of longer cycles so i just drop it.

i might try lower dosages of tren later. right now i dont need to gamble with that shit in my life. i hope it dosent get worse for you, in my experience it keeps getting worse.

 

[bananafeet]

idk if everyone get the same shit as we do.

i ran tren e for 6 months at a time, got it after month 3 or 4. i could probably run tren a for 8-12 weeks and stop it, but im a fan of longer cycles so i just drop it.

i might try lower dosages of tren later. right now i dont need to gamble with that shit in my life. i hope it dosent get worse for you, in my experience it keeps getting worse.

I've got a few amps of tren hex in me so this might take a while to drain out of the system.

I think people running higher doses have underdosed shit. Or they don't have a strong testosterone base. I think it's stronger when added on top of a sizeable amount of testosterone.....

 

[Mfras]

I guess I don't need to get this tren tested lol

I'm starting to doubt anyone can run gram doses of this shit. It's so toxic over 300mg a week.

How many weeks in on what dose are you on again? I know you and I are running somewhat concurrent tren-sperements. I’m some weeks in but it was a crazy microdose for a bit before titration. Been on 50/day for some days now and just starting to see & feel things starting to happen. Today was arm day and it was productive but didn’t feel enhanced. I’m certainly not getting brutal pumps from 4.5mph uphill treadmill or chewing my food.

The batch of ace I’m on had Jano testing posted at 6.5% overdosed- 213mg/ml…

Oh and I’m on 300-350 test rn. I was holding steady in the low 20s e2 at 300 and wanted to let the e2 creep up slowly but stay under 40 so I’m adding a hair to my 3 T shots. So should be synergistic but not hefty. Also around 200 mast, and 80 deca, 4mg reta, 6 2/3iu GH if any of that matters

 

[syuri]

I’m not running both anymore- decided to use a sparing amount of Tren E (100mgs) for my cut in a few months instead to prevent catabolism. I don’t think Tren is very worth it for a bulk or gains in general for myself. I can’t sleep or think straight on it. No amount of Tren can outpace the tired anxious mess I was while on it.

 

[dinfaralt]

I think people running higher doses have underdosed shit. Or they don't have a strong testosterone base. I think it's stronger when added on top of a sizeable amount of testosterone.....

it simply haven't hit them yet.

like a heart attack haven't hit us yet.

how much are you willing to sacrifice for tren? because its a demon which will take everything from you with time regardless of dose. you're just unlucky to experience it this early, took 2-3 half year cycles for it to hit me.

 

[bananafeet]

How many weeks in on what dose are you on again? I know you and I are running somewhat concurrent tren-sperements. I’m some weeks in but it was a crazy microdose for a bit before titration. Been on 50/day for some days now and just starting to see & feel things starting to happen. Today was arm day and it was productive but didn’t feel enhanced. I’m certainly not getting brutal pumps from 4.5mph uphill treadmill or chewing my food.

The batch of ace I’m on had Jano testing posted at 6.5% overdosed- 213mg/ml…

I was on 500mg test E and deca for 7 weeks. Then I swapped the deca for test E and I'm currently on 1000mg of test E.

I've done two weeks of tren just over 400mg. But I think that's enough for me.

I can see why people like this drug. My stomach is shrinking while the scale stays the same. Sleep isn't affected nor is my heart rate. I think the head meds stop the sympathetic activation. I've even dropped my beta blockers and the heart rate hasn't gone up.

I'm starting to think I had undiagnosed anxiety my entire life.

 

[Mfras]

I was on 500mg test E and deca for 7 weeks. Then I swapped the deca for test E and I'm currently on 1000mg of test E.

I've done two weeks of tren just over 400mg. But I think that's enough for me.

I can see why people like this drug. My stomach is shrinking while the scale stays the same. Sleep isn't affected nor is my heart rate. I think the head meds stop the sympathetic activation. I've even dropped my beta blockers and the heart rate hasn't gone up.

I'm starting to think I had undiagnosed anxiety my entire life.

Yeah I’m finding out that so far I tolerate it well but I’m just entering a sort of week 3 phase in a normal tren timeline when effects (good and bad) start to really ramp. At least according to everything I’ve read, and the info I tricked chat GPT into laying out for me . So maybe shit will get bad, or good, or both I dunno- like the man said this stuff is so individual.

So far I’m not in love, which is good. But I’m also satisfying my curiosity which was really the whole point.

 

[Mfras]

I’m not running both anymore- decided to use a sparing amount of Tren E (100mgs) for my cut in a few months instead to prevent catabolism. I don’t think Tren is very worth it for a bulk or gains in general for myself. I can’t sleep or think straight on it. No amount of Tren can outpace the tired anxious mess I was while on it.

That sucks but I’m glad you found out and made a move to fix it. Hope it’s cleared or clearing up for ya.

 

[adrenalytic]

decided to use a sparing amount of Tren E (100mgs) for my cut in a few months instead to prevent catabolism

@syuri

I think we talked in another thread but I'm running 50mg of tren E and I definitely feel a change. It's subtle but it's there. I'm down 2 lbs on the scale and still putting weight on the bar. Gonna bump to 80mg next week then top out at 100 for a hard cut.