i'M THINKING ABOUT TAKING 200/MG WEEKLY OF DECA-D, 250/MG WEEKLY OF TEST E,AND POST CYCLE CLOMID. i HAVE READ A LOT AND HEARD THAT DECA IS THE MOST POPULAR WITH MINIMAL SIDE EFFECTS. AT THE SAME TIME PEOPLE ON THE FORUMS TELL ME TO STAY AWAY FROM IT. i'VE HEARD YOU CAN HAVE DESCENT GAINS IN MUSCLE MASS WITH THIS STACK. I'M 22/M/220 LBS 5'9". ANY SUGGESTIONS?? i'M NOT LOOKING TO GET HUGE ALL AT ONCE BUT AM WANTING TO GAIN 10-12 LBS OF PURE MASS.
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killiob
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SMOKEY3 said:
I think you will be alright as long as your Test dosages are higher than your Deca. I think you will be better off using at least 500/mg of Test a week and 400/mg of deca each week. With clomid at the end of the cycle you should be fine. I think you should be able to gain at least 10-15 pounds with this cycle, probably more. I wouldn't go any lower than 500/mg of Test a week though, and you could get by with 300/mg of deca a week. This is just my 2 cents, but i would wait for other responses, because i am no expert. Good luck bro.
BigLibby
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if your looking for "pure mass"... I think you mean lean mass, go with Equipose instead of the Deca
Run the test @ 400-600mg ed and the Eq @ 300-400mg ed
Run the test @ 400-600mg ed and the Eq @ 300-400mg ed
ramboj70
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bro at 5'9" 220lbs you just might need to lean out a little, thats a ok cycle as long as your test is higher then deca, I would use EQ instead, but do some thinking about your cycle, maybe a cutting cycle! give more info on your stats, waise size, plus a good diet might be what you need.SMOKEY3 said:
wisdom
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I would definately go with the EQ as well, I will never use deca again after my last cycle. Also, as stated you should bump the test up to 500mg.
deca is the opposite of what your thinking it is. it is a serious steroid with serious side effects. actually the most serious side, in my book. the inability to gain and/or maintain an erection in some cases. the bro's above gave you good advice. substitute eq. it will give you similiar effects without the dreaded DD. as for dosages i agree with the above as well. i would run an 8-10 weeker with test and eq at say 500-700mgs/wk. frontload both at 1.4g week 1. dont forget anti-e's and pct.
Buff Diddy
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SMOKEY3 said:
I think you're on the right track I would proceed exactly as you described. Sounds like a solid cycle w/very minimal side effects. Your gains should be about what you are anticipating, maybe a little more if you diet and training are top notch. I gained 15-20 pounds on that cycle except i used sust instead of enanthate but it shouldn't be much different. I'm assuming this is your first cycle? If so good choice in my opinion. Although you'll find that I tend to gravitate to the conservative side when it comes to cycles.
MANWHORE
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220 at 5'9" is great if your under 12%bfSMOKEY3 said:
hardcore210
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I don't think there's anything at all wrong w/being 5'9" 220, as long as it's quality. Hell, I'm 5'11" 230 with a 32" waist, so I don't really feel the need to "lean out," except for the fact that my contest prep just began. Anyway, I'd have to agree to bump your dosages up in the neighborhood of 500mg test and 300mg deca.
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MANWHORE
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weight means nothing without BF%. My friend is 5'10" 220 but over 25%bf. If i don't see BF%,i could care less what anyone weighs.
Buff Diddy
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True that. Also bone structure can have a lot to do with it. I've seen plenty of guys that have smaller bones and joints with huge muscles and it can create the illusion that they weigh like 220 when their really like 185-190.MANWHORE said:
The Bruiser
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Not quite sure why you say this about Deca. It is one of the safer injectables having the least side effects. Deca dick usually only happens if you don't use Test with it, and the amount of test should be greater than the Deca. Some guys get gyno from it, which is related to progesterone (I think?), not estrogen. It's easier on the skin, hair, etc., and also helps relieve joint pain, although the reason for this is not quite clear. It is also recommended for women due to its low androgenic properties. I have used as much as 900mg of Deca per week, with 1000mg Sust and had no problems with Deca dick or any other sides, for that matter. My worst side effect comes from sust, which gives me bad acne on my back. EQ is good, but I don't think it is known to relieve joint pain like Deca, so if joint pain is an issue, keep the Deca in mind. Just my 2 cents.drago1 said:
MANWHORE
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I think Hogg is the expert in this area. I believe EQ is better for collagen which in turn would be better for joints?
Deacon
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I prefer EQ
highoutput
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Lets be honest here guys all gear has real side effects. but i think both eq and deca have their place in this world. i think it depends on the individual. as far as the products you chose deca and test. with those two in mind i would try the deca at 300mgs and the test at 500 mgs but im assuming this is your first cycle. but i always tend to be conservative with dosages. don't forget your anti-E's.
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