Considering starting cycle at 17 years of age

[demonizeq]

17m here, i compete in untested Jiu Jitsu. a few of my friends (lifters around the same age) are on their first cycles of test cyp (200-400/week)
i’m planning on taking 250/week and to then build up to 350 at the end of my cycle
i’ve done enough research to understand the side effects of taking test at least with adults- but obviously everyone says not to do it as a teen/young adult.
it’s hard to find actual studies on this topic of teens taking higher test doses like 200+
what are the side effects that a lot in the community warn you about that would specifically apply to teenagers? obviously hormonal balance is important for proper development - but is a lower dose of just pharma test done correctly with hcg + enclompahine pct really that dangerous for a teen to take in comparision to someone who’s already gone through puberty? in fact i’ve just seen lots of posts of people saying you’re more likely to recover well from any sort of badly done cycle if you’re still young

 

[Testisthebest15]

17m here, i compete in untested Jiu Jitsu. a few of my friends (lifters around the same age) are on their first cycles of test cyp (200-400/week)
i’m planning on taking 250/week and to then build up to 350 at the end of my cycle
i’ve done enough research to understand the side effects of taking test at least with adults- but obviously everyone says not to do it as a teen/young adult.
it’s hard to find actual studies on this topic of teens taking higher test doses like 200+
what are the side effects that a lot in the community warn you about that would specifically apply to teenagers? obviously hormonal balance is important for proper development - but is a lower dose of just pharma test done correctly with hcg + enclompahine pct really that dangerous for a teen to take in comparision to someone who’s already gone through puberty? in fact i’ve just seen lots of posts of people saying you’re more likely to recover well from any sort of badly done cycle if you’re still young

You're so young, have you gone and gotten blood work just to see what your test levels are at? Before you do anything I would go get blood work. I don’t think it’s necessarily the dangers of doing just a standard 12 week cycle. Yes it will throw your hormones off. It’s the fact that once some start they don’t ever wanna stop. That’s why many people tell young guys to wait. If I can give you any advice, cause you’re gonna do what you wanna do regardless, make sure you have everything you can possibly need on hand. Serms, AI, Hcg, etc.

 

[HermesLabs]

what are the side effects that a lot in the community warn you about that would specifically apply to teenagers?

My first cycle was around 24 yo so I can't really relate, but roids at any dose unless you're actually androgen deficient may at some point (especially true for your age) ruin you mentally and emotionally. You're 17-18 but plan on having a physique of a 30 year old man. What's next? Not fun to come to your doc at 25 having LVH and having to explain that you just "hit the gym harder than most". Right now you're thinking sports is everything but 10 years from now you may even forget you wanted it in the first place. Why just not wait and see? It's never too late to start. There are members on here starting their first cycle in late 40s getting amazing gains.

You're just at the beginning of your journey. Mine almost ended with depression after hitting 19-nors for longer than I planned to and a ton of unexpected side effects using UGL gear that I didn't know shit about.

Quality of gear, quantity of gear, type of gear, duration of exposure, recovery time, diet, supplementation, all of that have to be spot on before you start your first cycle is best advice I'd give to my younger self.

 

[UncleBuns]

Get blood work. If your test is low fix any dietary, nutritional, training aspects that need it.

You say in your post "obviously everyone says not to do it as a teen/young adult." So you already have your answer. You are here to fish for a few dumbasses who are willing to give you terrible advice and tell you to do it. Do whatever you want with your body but it is a terrible idea. Just because wreckless people around you are doing something doesn't mean it's a good idea. If the people around you are smoking meth and stealing cars does that all the sudden make those good life choices? At 17 you know shit about fuck, you have no idea what you're going to want to do with your life in two or five or 10 years. How much does your health matter to you down the road? Do you want to have children? What serious damage to your health and organs are you willing to deal with for the hopefully long remainder of your life?

Spend that money on good food and a coach. Eat well, train hard, sleep well, and forget about the drugs. When you're significantly older and your brain is done forming if you still want to go down that road then you can re-examine.

 

[Rido]

You should not be doing any of this. you cant even support yourself.

When I was your age, I was always told 25 plus years of training is the magic number

Your friends are stupid for running a cycle at such a young age

 

[Juicedhead]

dont do it bro take it from me i started youung first cycle was test 500mg galenkia amps pharma grade shit and i regret not waiting i started at 16 bro my football coach gave us gear no joke, but wait youre test levels are as high as you will get at 250mg a week i fucking hate more plates more dates for telling guys this is a fucking cycle its not a cycle!!! if youre going to do the damn thing than lets do the damn thing and start at a min of 400mg weekly. Im ranting here but wait bro wait until youre at least 19 or 20 and when you start just be prepared and understand that this is a life long decesiion and you will fuxk uo many things in your body,

 

[effswithtren]

Please don’t. Your friends are knuckle heads and if you do this you’re stupid too. Everything about this plan is a bad idea. Leave it alone.

 

[Leg_locker]

There is litterly no point in taking steroids at 17 but especially for BJJ. Main thing people get out of it for BJJ is the recovery aspect which you shouldn't have a problem with anyway BC ur 17.
AAS are not magic and won't make you any better at BJJ just slightly stronger which isn't a huge advantage in our sport. I know lots of guys on gear that have lost to natural athletes myself included.
Take more time to learn how to eat train spend years training on the mats then when you get your brown/black belt maybe then consider AAS use.
No one cares about your record pre black belt even if you win world's at white blue purple most people just consider you a sandbagger.

 

[Juicedhead]

There is litterly no point in taking steroids at 17 but especially for BJJ. Main thing people get out of it for BJJ is the recovery aspect which you shouldn't have a problem with anyway BC ur 17.
AAS are not magic and won't make you any better at BJJ just slightly stronger which isn't a huge advantage in our sport. I know lots of guys on gear that have lost to natural athletes myself included.
Take more time to learn how to eat train spend years training on the mats then when you get your brown/black belt maybe then consider AAS use.
No one cares about your record pre black belt even if you win world's at white blue purple most people just consider you a sandbagger.

yeah this is good advice you want to have an advantange? start by out working these other guys spend more time training on the mats and learning from veterans and working on technique and just gaining more time on the mats... gear is more for building muscle and strength but it wont help you be a better wrestler that comes from time and practice of course it would increrase strength but proper technique and understaing leverages will also increase your strength on the mat

edit: and youre test levels are sky high right now so taking gear would be pointless take advantage of your natural test right now cuz you can make gear like giains pretty much right now

 

[demonizeq]

dont do it bro take it from me i started youung first cycle was test 500mg galenkia amps pharma grade shit and i regret not waiting i started at 16 bro my football coach gave us gear no joke, but wait youre test levels are as high as you will get at 250mg a week i fucking hate more plates more dates for telling guys this is a fucking cycle its not a cycle!!! if youre going to do the damn thing than lets do the damn thing and start at a min of 400mg weekly. Im ranting here but wait bro wait until youre at least 19 or 20 and when you start just be prepared and understand that this is a life long decesiion and you will fuxk uo many things in your body,

what were the unforeseen side effects you experienced that could be considered specific to taking anabolics / test at a young age

 

[effswithtren]

what were the unforeseen side effects you experienced that could be considered specific to taking anabolics / test at a young age

Shutting off your hormones during a critical part of your life development is a good place to start. For, in this case, absolutely negligible gain.

 

[demonizeq]

Shutting off your hormones during a critical part of your life development is a good place to start. For, in this case, absolutely negligible gain.

even with a correctly done hcg + enclompahine pct this would be an issue? genuine question on why

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Don't ruin the highest natural T period of your entire life because you want some immediate gratification. Train and eat.

 

[demonizeq]

Don't ruin the highest natural T period of your entire life because you want some immediate gratification. Train and eat.

how would this ruin it if there if i run a pct protocol? is there some sort of permanent effect on my hormones

 

[Nilatac]

I started at 16. 12 years later I don't regret it but that's me. Everyone has his story.
You will do it even if I or others will tell you not. It's the age,it's the group you are in that "push you " to start.
But if you take aas don't shut yourself down to take a replacement dose. 250 mg is a bit higher than a trt dose. Also you don't need to tapper up or down aas but I don't teach you how to take aas.
There are worst choices that you can take at 17 that can ruin your life than starting aas but starting aas can be one of them also. So don't do something you will regret further down the road.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

how would this ruin it if there if i run a pct protocol? is there some sort of permanent effect on my hormones

Just say you're not here for advice but for validation and go ahead and do it.

These things always go the same exact way. Bunch of smarter and more experienced individuals do not support your request but you'll do it anyways.

 

[Nilatac]

how would this ruin it if there if i run a pct protocol? is there some sort of permanent effect on my hormones

Yes. Can be something permanent. For some guys there is no recovery or a hard one that is not 100%. Depends on some things how well you will recover, how much % of gains you will keep and so on

 

[Burly]

17m here, i compete in untested Jiu Jitsu. a few of my friends (lifters around the same age) are on their first cycles of test cyp (200-400/week)
i’m planning on taking 250/week and to then build up to 350 at the end of my cycle
i’ve done enough research to understand the side effects of taking test at least with adults- but obviously everyone says not to do it as a teen/young adult.
it’s hard to find actual studies on this topic of teens taking higher test doses like 200+
what are the side effects that a lot in the community warn you about that would specifically apply to teenagers? obviously hormonal balance is important for proper development - but is a lower dose of just pharma test done correctly with hcg + enclompahine pct really that dangerous for a teen to take in comparision to someone who’s already gone through puberty? in fact i’ve just seen lots of posts of people saying you’re more likely to recover well from any sort of badly done cycle if you’re still young

I would advice to train naturally during a decade. Most not even train a decade. at your age(17) the natural hormones are great to gain mass.

 

[Nilatac]

I would advice to train naturally during a decade. Most not even train a decade. at your age(17) the natural hormones are great to gain mass.

Not always. It can be 16,17,18 and have low T. There are teens that have these problems. Probably more than we think nowadays.
This guy might have good hormones levels or not. Until he check it he can't know.

 

[Burly]

Not always. It can be 16,17,18 and have low T. There are teens that have these problems. Probably more than we think nowadays.
This guy might have good hormones levels or not. Until he check it he can't know.

Correct, if Hypogonadism he needs medical advise, not blast roids