Contagion has solved schizophrenia

I am just the opposite my mind moves faster then fingers. Having slight aspies can have its down fall, and also its advantages ...

People on the forums use to make fun of me for the way I use to type. I learned to give a rats ass about what people think any more. If they actually understood every one is not all perfect before they knew the reason. Its basically saying if they saw a person with Cerebal palsy walking down the street they would mock him rather then help him.

Last 6 months my life has completely change, I am in a better place every aspect of life. I do agree I was a cocky little shit on here several years ago. Now I have a good mentor who is keeping well ground for what is yet to come.

Silence is golden. Let other people speak for you is the lesson I learned...


I agree...sometimes you just get so used to debating... --my mind works extremely fast as well, considering I retain all of this information without looking at anything, not to brag...I know other people can do this as well...perhaps not too many though.

As you can see, I feel the need to correct people who come at me or oppose me.
I guess the key is controlling your dominance / assertive behavior and channeling it. Offline, in the real world even...I am like this. However I don't ramble on unless it's relevant of course. Plus I'm working or studying most of the day.

I've taken a week off from this forum several times.
I think it's just about that time to take another one...

Until I have to overlap the critics again, move 1 step forward, one step back...it's a battle of two compulsive/impulsive personalities. Imagine what it would be like in real life...

Funny thing is, I've learned to expect anything can happen...open-mindedness often means not being so surprised....it's a product of wisdom I guess.

I've had a strong amount of ordeals, opposition, and critics... one thing always remains...I speak firmly on what I believe...and finish what I started. Not to say I've achieved EVERYTHING I want in life...but I have a grip on my goals in the long run of course.
 
I hear you,

I had to swim up stream against for many years cow tailing to other people. Those times are over and roles are reversed, but I refuse to let my ego get in the way as I have seen many good health professionals end up burning too many bridges going on their crusades and rant. Some of them brilliant, but emotional unstable. Instead I am building them with licensed medical professionals on a weekly basis creating a network of open minded professionals who refer their complex cases out for further evaluation. This was my goal was to work with the system not against it by collaborating with doctors to help them on their complex cases. There is no fishing for clients on line, no marketing, no BS, no proving anything. By letting the Doctors speak on behalf to their colleagues who then contact you forms even more relationships. From helping one MD with their own issues, they told several more colleagues. When website is up, most testimonial will be from MD, DO, and ND's. By end of 2014, I plan to have several medical professionals referring people from as well as to. By having the ability attending medical conference and seminars mainly for medical professionals always for greater networking options with medical professionals not just hear in the states, but internationally. Yes I am not a medical professionals. As long as their patients are improving they tend to over look it..
 
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I hear you,

I had to swim up stream against for many years cow tailing to other people. Those times are over and roles are reversed, but I refuse to let my ego get in the way as I have seen many good health professionals end up burning too many bridges going on their crusades and rant. Some of them brilliant, but emotional unstable. Instead I am building them with licensed medical professionals on a weekly basis creating a network of open minded professionals who refer their complex cases out for further evaluation. This was my goal was to work with the system not against it by collaborating with doctors to help them on their complex cases. There is no fishing for clients on line, no marketing, no BS, no proving anything. By letting the Doctors speak on behalf to their colleagues who then contact you forms even more relationships. From helping one MD with their own issues, they told several more colleagues. When website is up, most testimonial will be from MD, DO, and ND's. By end of 2014, I plan to have several medical professionals referring people from as well as to. By having the ability attending medical conference and seminars mainly for medical professionals always for greater networking options with medical professionals not just hear in the states, but internationally. Yes I am not a medical professionals. As long as their patients are improving they tend to over look it..

Open-Mindedness is key in any profession. You can't assume the answer. You can't depend on any one test. Something like bloodwork, and the whole "White-Blood-Cell Count" debate..how it reflects to autoimmune disorders...it can be used as an indicator/perimeter to **some extent**, just like anything else. However there are multiple reasons (many overlooked), why a WBC/T-Cell count can be declining or outrageously high. It doesn't necessarily mean one thing or the other, because fluctuation is normal - and a certain value fluctuation may be normal for that person in particular.
 
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Where did I say Schizophrenia is another personality..?
Nevertheless, if everyone were treated equally, then they would only be judged as a different type of person. According to medical "doctrine" or the DSM - take your pick...then it is indeed a "mental illness"...caused by a chemical imbalance???
No, not exactly. Schizophrenia is misdiagnosed about 60% of the time - the real issue is frequently caffeine excess's causing psychotic paranoia or the abuse of other stimulant drugs. Methamphetamine withdrawal causes symptoms distinctly
similar to the disorder, as does PCP, as does the use of shrooms - hence the misdiagnosis.

In addition, as I have stated before, the balance of minerals like Zinc, Copper and Magnesium have a hella lot to do with the pathophysiology of "Schizophrenia".

Also, some anti-depressants (specifically in the SSRI/SNRI family) can cause hallucinations if abused, and paranoia even at moderate doses. Most psychiatrists aren't aware of these interactions, and / or the patient or his/her family is bad at noting the start time's to these symptoms. Thus the doctor is also unaware of the true cause.

For the remarkably few percentage that truly have a "thought disorder" - it is likely the result of ....

1.) Chronic (Long-Term) Stress
2.) Mercury Toxicity
3.) Biochemical Dysfunction / Lack of Homeostasis
4.) Poor Diet
5.) Elevated Cortisol causing Structural Changes to the Brain (over-time).
6.) Mutations / Polymorphisms in Alpha-2-Adrenergic Receptors (RARE)
7.) Copper / Zinc Imbalances leading to changes in central norepinephrine / serotonin function - leading to awareness error's and perceptual error's.
8.) Lack of Sleep (chronic insomniac's tend to develop psychotic symptoms quicker)
9.) Lack of Food / Nutrients - Again going to # 3 and 4 but specifically here I am also talking about the body's ability to USE food, which may be different in the schizophrenic. (intestinal disorder's are commonly prevalent during, before).
10.) Family History / Genetics may contribute my other unmentioned mechanisms.


A few gene's involved seemed to be the COMT4 gene, metallothein carrier mutation or lack of, CYP17 enzyme dysfunction/Mutation, GLUT4 differentiation (a metabolic factor determining brain glucose activity), GDC0X (congenital lack of glutamate decarboxylase) causing a lack of GABA (severe GABA deficiency)...as GDC converts glutamate into GABA.

Read the OP when he quotes your post. You say it can be regarded as a second personality... durr
 
Read the OP when he quotes your post. You say it can be regarded as a second personality... durr

That doesn't mean it IS a second personality...it simply means it can be "regarded" or viewed from a certain perspective as such. You must not understand the English Language very well. [:o)][:o)]

Clearly others who have viewed this thread (read backwards Fool!) have understood and recently (clarified) what I have said. Now go back to HS and study ProVerbs, Rhetoric, Nouns, Simile's, Context Matching...oh and, most importantly, "Point of View"....!

My GoD, this society is Pathetic.
 
Where did I say Schizophrenia is another personality..?
Nevertheless, if everyone were treated equally, then they would only be judged as a different type of person. According to medical "doctrine" or the DSM - take your pick...then it is indeed a "mental illness"...caused by a chemical imbalance???
No, not exactly. Schizophrenia is misdiagnosed about 60% of the time - the real issue is frequently caffeine excess's causing psychotic paranoia or the abuse of other stimulant drugs. Methamphetamine withdrawal causes symptoms distinctly
similar to the disorder, as does PCP, as does the use of shrooms - hence the misdiagnosis.

More nonsense from the snake oil peddling charlatan.


In addition, as I have stated before, the balance of minerals like Zinc, Copper and Magnesium have a hella lot to do with the pathophysiology of "Schizophrenia".


Where is your evidence that shows "the balance of minerals like Zinc, Copper and Magnesium have a hella lot to do with the pathophysiology" and that manipulating the balance of those minerals improves the symptoms of schizophrenia? Only in your mind, Contagion.

Also, some anti-depressants (specifically in the SSRI/SNRI family) can cause hallucinations if abused, and paranoia even at moderate doses. Most psychiatrists aren't aware of these interactions, and / or the patient or his/her family is bad at noting the start time's to these symptoms. Thus the doctor is also unaware of the true cause.

Thankfully you're on the case, Contagion. Where would medical science be without you showing them the error of their ways?

Once again, where is your Nobel Prize in Medicine? :rolleyes:

For the remarkably few percentage that truly have a "thought disorder" - it is likely the result of ....

I find it interesting you make no mention of schizophrenia but instead refer to it as a "thought disorder." You're trying to cover your ass, aren't you. You're thinking ahead.

1.) Chronic (Long-Term) Stress

No

2.) Mercury Toxicity

No

3.) Biochemical Dysfunction / Lack of Homeostasis

Such a profound statement. I'm in awe.:rolleyes:

4.) Poor Diet

No

5.) Elevated Cortisol causing Structural Changes to the Brain (over-time).

No

6.) Mutations / Polymorphisms in Alpha-2-Adrenergic Receptors (RARE)

No

7.) Copper / Zinc Imbalances leading to changes in central norepinephrine / serotonin function - leading to awareness error's and perceptual error's.

No LMAO

8.) Lack of Sleep (chronic insomniac's tend to develop psychotic symptoms quicker)

No LMFAO

9.) Lack of Food / Nutrients - Again going to # 3 and 4 but specifically here I am also talking about the body's ability to USE food, which may be different in the schizophrenic. (intestinal disorder's are commonly prevalent during, before).

No ROTFLMFAO

10.) Family History / Genetics may contribute my other unmentioned mechanisms.

Covering your ass again, I see. You did it at the beginning and end of your list of bullshit. Once would have been sufficient. Doing it twice was too obvious.


A few gene's involved seemed to be the COMT4 gene, metallothein carrier mutation or lack of, CYP17 enzyme dysfunction/Mutation, GLUT4 differentiation (a metabolic factor determining brain glucose activity), GDC0X (congenital lack of glutamate decarboxylase) causing a lack of GABA (severe GABA deficiency)...as GDC converts glutamate into GABA.

What's this? All this rubbish and you don't include your go-to - NO levels? Your backsliding, Contagion. This is very disappointing.

Regardless, you're as full of shit as ever, but I see you have a new friend. You're perfect for each other - two herbalists peddling snake oil to the worried well. Bravo.

CBS
 
That doesn't mean it IS a second personality...it simply means it can be "regarded" or viewed from a certain perspective as such. You must not understand the English Language very well. [:o)][:o)]

Clearly others who have viewed this thread (read backwards Fool!) have understood and recently (clarified) what I have said. Now go back to HS and study ProVerbs, Rhetoric, Nouns, Simile's, Context Matching...oh and, most importantly, "Point of View"....!

My GoD, this society is Pathetic.

That's what you meant and you know it. Your original position was that schizophrenia is just another version of normal. Stop playing games - you're not fooling anybody.

Second, Schizophrenia could be regarded as a separate personality, if people were more accepting of diversities in civilization, these "freaks" would just be looked at as different. So it's all how you look at it.
 
That doesn't mean it IS a second personality...it simply means it can be "regarded" or viewed from a certain perspective as such. You must not understand the English Language very well. [:o)][:o)]

Clearly others who have viewed this thread (read backwards Fool!) have understood and recently (clarified) what I have said. Now go back to HS and study ProVerbs, Rhetoric, Nouns, Simile's, Context Matching...oh and, most importantly, "Point of View"....!

My GoD, this society is Pathetic.

Potato/Potato. Your backpedelling and insults are quite telling. All this emotion must be exhausting trying so hard to prove how "smart" you are.
 
Potato/Potato. Your backpedelling and insults are quite telling. All this emotion must be exhausting trying so hard to prove how "smart" you are.

Incorrect, there is no emotion - only motivation in the response.
And Look'at YoU.
You keep responding...so you must be quite ENGAGED here. [:o)]
Guess you are getting excited over all this.
Funny how you have 38 posts and start being a wise guy.


One thing you will grow to understand...I am relentless, I never stop, I WILL be the last one to get my word in, anywhere and EVERYWHERE, on the Internet and OFF.:cool:[}:)]

Give up now while you are still able to type, your fingers will start to get numb in the sandstorm..
 
Incorrect, there is no emotion - only motivation in the response.
And Look'at YoU.
You keep responding...so you must be quite ENGAGED here. [:o)]
Guess you are getting excited over all this.
Funny how you have 38 posts and start being a wise guy.


One thing you will grow to understand...I am relentless, I never stop, I WILL be the last one to get my word in, anywhere and EVERYWHERE, on the Internet and OFF.:cool:[}:)]

Give up now while you are still able to type, your fingers will start to get numb in the sandstorm..

Like I said, sounds exhausting and very depressing. I honestly will not bother arguing more with the likes of you. All red herrings and straw men, it's like arguing with a child.
 
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Like I said, sounds exhausting and very depressing. I honestly will not bother arguing more with the likes of you. All red herrings and straw men, it's like arguing with a child.

If it's so exhausting - quit responding?
You must be weak-minded / or have carpel tunnel syndrome.
It takes about 15 seconds average - for me to type up each long ass post.
Oh well.:rolleyes:
 
Actually there is some evidence supporting caffeine and schizophrenia relationship


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1981106/?i=6&from=/9826240/related

CBS I rarely use herbs any more

I'm researching mapping multiple metabolic and genetic pathways in regards to nutritional cofactors and enzyme activity. All findings are cited from published journals.

Snake oil far from it...

Caffeine intake among patients with schizophrenia


Caffeine intake among patients with schizophrenia | Effects of caffeine on dopamine systems | Effects of caffeine on positive and negative symptoms | Interaction of coffee and tea with antipsychotics | Summary | Acknowledgments | References
About 85 percent of the U.S. population uses caffeine daily. The most common sources are brewed coffee (100 mg of caffeine per 6-ounce serving), instant coffee (65 mg), tea (40 mg), soda (35 mg), and chocolate (5 mg) (1). The mean caffeine intake is near 210 mg a day for the whole population, and 6 percent are heavy users—more than 500 mg a day (1).

Several reasons exist for hypothesizing that persons with schizophrenia would have high caffeine intakes. For example, patients may use caffeine to combat apathy or boredom or to offset the sedating effects of antipsychotic medications. Many persons with schizophrenia have polydipsia, and caffeine intake might increase as a result. Similarly, many psychiatric medications produce dry mouth, which might increase intake. In addition, as reviewed below, caffeine might improve negative symptoms of schizophrenia or extrapyramidal symptoms from neuroleptics. Patients taking neuroleptics may have reduced anxiety, allowing them to imbibe more caffeine.

A final possibility is that approximately 80 percent of persons with schizophrenia smoke, and many of them smoke heavily (2). Smoking increases the elimination of caffeine. Thus persons with schizophrenia may use more caffeine to make up for increased elimination of caffeine due to heavy smoking (3).

Several authors have anecdotally noted high caffeine intake among patients with schizophrenia (4), including cases of eating raw coffee (5). For example, in one study the 15 lowest users averaged 4.6 cups of coffee a day (4). Two empirical surveys of caffeine use by persons with schizophrenia were published more than 20 years ago, in 1975 and 1976. In a German study of inpatients, 71 percent used more than 500 mg of caffeine a day (6). However, in a Canadian study of both inpatients and outpatients, only 17 percent used more than 500 mg a day (7), and this consumption was not different from the 11 percent in the general population who did so.

The discrepant figures across these two studies are probably not due to cultural differences, because coffee intake in Canada and Germany was similar in 1976 (8). It is more likely that the high prevalence rate in the German study was due to institutionalization, which appears to increase caffeine use (9), or because the German study included more severely ill patients. We could find only one more recent survey of caffeine use among persons with schizophrenia. The mean caffeine intake of 26 patients was 503 mg a day, and 38 percent reported using more than 555 mg a day (10).


____________________________________________________________
Effects of caffeine on positive and negative symptoms
Caffeine intake among patients with schizophrenia | Effects of caffeine on dopamine systems | Effects of caffeine on positive and negative symptoms | Interaction of coffee and tea with antipsychotics | Summary | Acknowledgments | References
Several case reports have described delusions and hallucinations after large intakes of caffeine by persons with (4,14) and without (15) schizophrenia. One study of 78 patients with schizophrenia found that caffeine intake was correlated with the total score on the Brief Psychiatric Rating Scale (BPRS) and with the score on a scale measuring positive symptoms, but not with scales measuring negative symptoms or extrapyramidal symptoms (16). Unfortunately, the magnitude of the effect on the BPRS score was not reported. However, when symptoms of schizophrenia and caffeine intake were followed over time in a small sample of 14 patients, only a slight correlation between caffeine intake and severity of psychosis was found (17).

Three studies have compared the symptoms of inpatients using caffeinated coffee or decaffeinated coffee (10,18,19). One study used a caffeinated-decaffeinated-caffeinated design in which inpatients alternated use for three-week periods. Scores on the anxiety and hostility subscales of the BPRS (self-reported) and irritability scores on the Nurses Observation Scale for Inpatient Evaluation (NOSIE) (nurse rated) were higher during the caffeinated-coffee periods (18), indicating a greater level of symptoms. Actual scores were not reported; thus the clinical significance of these changes is unknown.

A second study used a caffeinated-decaffeinated-caffeinated-decafeinated design with four to seven weeks in each period (19). These results were confounded by a trend for all scores to improve over time. Nevertheless, scores on subscales for hostility, hallucinations, and unusual thought content on the BPRS and irritability and psychoses scores on the NOSIE showed the expected high-low-high-low pattern. Traditional statistical tests failed to find significant differences; however, statistical tests that test specifically for the high-low-high-low pattern expected may very well have shown statistical significance. On the other hand, the changes that did occur were small and may not have been clinically significant.

A third study used a decaffeinated-decaffeinated-caffeinated-caffeinated-decaffeinated-decaffeinated design with one week in each period (10). Inpatient scores for anxiety and depression and total scores on the BPRS and NOSIE did not change across periods.

In only one study has caffeine been experimentally administered to patients (20). Caffeine, 10 mg per kg of bodyweight, was administered intravenously to persons with schizophrenia who had been caffeine free for six weeks. Caffeine increased the BPRS total score and the score on the unusual thoughts subscale as well as global nurse ratings of psychosis. These results are similar to those of the previous studies. The change in the BPRS total score was large (a 33 percent increase) and occurred for ten of the 13 subjects. In addition, caffeine improved negative symptoms; that is, it improved mood and decreased withdrawal. Interestingly, this large dose did not increase anxiety scores among these patients.

Although these results are the most direct evidence that caffeine can worsen positive symptoms (and might even improve negative symptoms), their generalizability may be limited because this study used a very large dose of caffeine—the equivalent of drinking seven cups of brewed coffee at once. Also, caffeine was administered intravenously, and the subjects had presumably lost any tolerance to caffeine (1). In addition, this study did not have a control group of persons without schizophrenia; thus the specificity of the findings is debatable. This lack of specificity is important because high doses of intravenous caffeine can cause psychotic symptoms among individuals without a history of psychosis (21).

Caffeine use and caffeine cessation produce other effects that, although not specifically relevant to schizophrenia, could influence the cause and presentation of the illness or be confused with medication side effects. Caffeine use can cause restlessness, nervousness, insomnia, rambling speech, and agitation. Whether chronic heavy caffeine users develop enough tolerance that these symptoms are of little concern is debatable (1). In addition, cessation of caffeine causes fatigue and drowsiness (1), which could be confused with prodromal or postdromal symptoms or medication side effects.


 
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Actually there is some evidence supporting caffeine and schizophrenia relationship


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1981106/?i=6&from=/9826240/related

CBS I rarely use herbs any more

I'm researching mapping multiple metabolic and genetic pathways in regards to nutritional cofactors and enzyme activity. All findings are cited from published journals.

Snake oil far from it...


Caffeine intake among patients with schizophrenia


Caffeine intake among patients with schizophrenia | Effects of caffeine on dopamine systems | Effects of caffeine on positive and negative symptoms | Interaction of coffee and tea with antipsychotics | Summary | Acknowledgments | References
About 85 percent of the U.S. population uses caffeine daily. The most common sources are brewed coffee (100 mg of caffeine per 6-ounce serving), instant coffee (65 mg), tea (40 mg), soda (35 mg), and chocolate (5 mg) (1). The mean caffeine intake is near 210 mg a day for the whole population, and 6 percent are heavy users—more than 500 mg a day (1).

Several reasons exist for hypothesizing that persons with schizophrenia would have high caffeine intakes. For example, patients may use caffeine to combat apathy or boredom or to offset the sedating effects of antipsychotic medications. Many persons with schizophrenia have polydipsia, and caffeine intake might increase as a result. Similarly, many psychiatric medications produce dry mouth, which might increase intake. In addition, as reviewed below, caffeine might improve negative symptoms of schizophrenia or extrapyramidal symptoms from neuroleptics. Patients taking neuroleptics may have reduced anxiety, allowing them to imbibe more caffeine.

A final possibility is that approximately 80 percent of persons with schizophrenia smoke, and many of them smoke heavily (2). Smoking increases the elimination of caffeine. Thus persons with schizophrenia may use more caffeine to make up for increased elimination of caffeine due to heavy smoking (3).

Several authors have anecdotally noted high caffeine intake among patients with schizophrenia (4), including cases of eating raw coffee (5). For example, in one study the 15 lowest users averaged 4.6 cups of coffee a day (4). Two empirical surveys of caffeine use by persons with schizophrenia were published more than 20 years ago, in 1975 and 1976. In a German study of inpatients, 71 percent used more than 500 mg of caffeine a day (6). However, in a Canadian study of both inpatients and outpatients, only 17 percent used more than 500 mg a day (7), and this consumption was not different from the 11 percent in the general population who did so.

The discrepant figures across these two studies are probably not due to cultural differences, because coffee intake in Canada and Germany was similar in 1976 (8). It is more likely that the high prevalence rate in the German study was due to institutionalization, which appears to increase caffeine use (9), or because the German study included more severely ill patients. We could find only one more recent survey of caffeine use among persons with schizophrenia. The mean caffeine intake of 26 patients was 503 mg a day, and 38 percent reported using more than 555 mg a day (10).


____________________________________________________________
Effects of caffeine on positive and negative symptoms
Caffeine intake among patients with schizophrenia | Effects of caffeine on dopamine systems | Effects of caffeine on positive and negative symptoms | Interaction of coffee and tea with antipsychotics | Summary | Acknowledgments | References
Several case reports have described delusions and hallucinations after large intakes of caffeine by persons with (4,14) and without (15) schizophrenia. One study of 78 patients with schizophrenia found that caffeine intake was correlated with the total score on the Brief Psychiatric Rating Scale (BPRS) and with the score on a scale measuring positive symptoms, but not with scales measuring negative symptoms or extrapyramidal symptoms (16). Unfortunately, the magnitude of the effect on the BPRS score was not reported. However, when symptoms of schizophrenia and caffeine intake were followed over time in a small sample of 14 patients, only a slight correlation between caffeine intake and severity of psychosis was found (17).

Three studies have compared the symptoms of inpatients using caffeinated coffee or decaffeinated coffee (10,18,19). One study used a caffeinated-decaffeinated-caffeinated design in which inpatients alternated use for three-week periods. Scores on the anxiety and hostility subscales of the BPRS (self-reported) and irritability scores on the Nurses Observation Scale for Inpatient Evaluation (NOSIE) (nurse rated) were higher during the caffeinated-coffee periods (18), indicating a greater level of symptoms. Actual scores were not reported; thus the clinical significance of these changes is unknown.

A second study used a caffeinated-decaffeinated-caffeinated-decafeinated design with four to seven weeks in each period (19). These results were confounded by a trend for all scores to improve over time. Nevertheless, scores on subscales for hostility, hallucinations, and unusual thought content on the BPRS and irritability and psychoses scores on the NOSIE showed the expected high-low-high-low pattern. Traditional statistical tests failed to find significant differences; however, statistical tests that test specifically for the high-low-high-low pattern expected may very well have shown statistical significance. On the other hand, the changes that did occur were small and may not have been clinically significant.

A third study used a decaffeinated-decaffeinated-caffeinated-caffeinated-decaffeinated-decaffeinated design with one week in each period (10). Inpatient scores for anxiety and depression and total scores on the BPRS and NOSIE did not change across periods.

In only one study has caffeine been experimentally administered to patients (20). Caffeine, 10 mg per kg of bodyweight, was administered intravenously to persons with schizophrenia who had been caffeine free for six weeks. Caffeine increased the BPRS total score and the score on the unusual thoughts subscale as well as global nurse ratings of psychosis. These results are similar to those of the previous studies. The change in the BPRS total score was large (a 33 percent increase) and occurred for ten of the 13 subjects. In addition, caffeine improved negative symptoms; that is, it improved mood and decreased withdrawal. Interestingly, this large dose did not increase anxiety scores among these patients.

Although these results are the most direct evidence that caffeine can worsen positive symptoms (and might even improve negative symptoms), their generalizability may be limited because this study used a very large dose of caffeine—the equivalent of drinking seven cups of brewed coffee at once. Also, caffeine was administered intravenously, and the subjects had presumably lost any tolerance to caffeine (1). In addition, this study did not have a control group of persons without schizophrenia; thus the specificity of the findings is debatable. This lack of specificity is important because high doses of intravenous caffeine can cause psychotic symptoms among individuals without a history of psychosis (21).

Caffeine use and caffeine cessation produce other effects that, although not specifically relevant to schizophrenia, could influence the cause and presentation of the illness or be confused with medication side effects. Caffeine use can cause restlessness, nervousness, insomnia, rambling speech, and agitation. Whether chronic heavy caffeine users develop enough tolerance that these symptoms are of little concern is debatable (1). In addition, cessation of caffeine causes fatigue and drowsiness (1), which could be confused with prodromal or postdromal symptoms or medication side effects.




What's your point? That large intakes of caffeine might cause delusions and hallucinations? Or that it might require antipsychotic dosage adjustments? So what? So will amphetamine. That doesn't mean it causes schizophrenia. You're grasping.
 
What's your point? That large intakes of caffeine might cause delusions and hallucinations? Or that it might require antipsychotic dosage adjustments? So what? So will amphetamine. That doesn't mean it causes schizophrenia. You're grasping.

It means it contributes to "mis-diagnosed" cases of schizophrenia...doctors don't always follow the "6-step Criteria" for diagnosing it and go right off to prescribing Anti-Psychotic drugs. Who cares right? Big money for them...!:mad:
 
It means it contributes to "mis-diagnosed" cases of schizophrenia...doctors don't always follow the "6-step Criteria" for diagnosing it and go right off to prescribing Anti-Psychotic drugs. Who cares right? Big money for them...!:mad:

The question is where is a fine line between insanity and a genius ...

Several years ago I started talking about gut dysbiosis and its impact on the HPTA on All things Male and other forums. People thought I was nuts and a snakes oil men. Funny how the one's who were bitching and squawking are the ones who are having those issues. Guess what ? Ain't Karma a real bitch which comes back to kick ya in the nuts.

Ok play times over, back to collecting data in Pub-med and other medical literature for research papers... : o)-
 
The question is where is a fine line between insanity and a genius ...

Several years ago I started talking about gut dysbiosis and its impact on the HPTA on All things Male and other forums. People thought I was nuts and a snakes oil men. Funny how the one's who were bitching and squawking are the ones who are having those issues. Guess what ? Ain't Karma a real bitch which comes back to kick ya in the nuts.

Ok play times over, back to collecting data in Pub-med and other medical literature for research papers... : o)-

All Geniuses are Insane.[:o)]

Albert Einstein said...

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds

He also said...
"Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."
 
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