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Professor Karman
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Yes 6 feet is a silly number...that really isn't what socially distancing means. It really means that those who can stay home, stay home...which is why there are "Stay at Home" orders out there..
Jankauskas
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I thought that for someone to be able to make the claim that something works, that it has to work in the long run.
If you go buy a used car and you ask if it works, I assume you are not thinking that it’s only going to work for 3 months, it’s the same with these measures:
The point of it supposedly was to save lives, not postpone deaths while fucking everyone else over.
Professor Karman
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Fine, if you want to go there, fair enough.
Will there be some people who die from this eventually who didn't die from it initially due to social distancing, yes. To say that everyone who would have died from it had social distancing not taken place, will die from it eventually, is silly. Getting the cases to a low enough point where they can be contained will save some of these people as will "kicking the can down the road" till better treatment options are available.
Human_backhoe
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Human_backhoe
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When it's kids we don't seem to give a fuck ^^^^^
That was in response to his doom and gloom “permanent damage to lungs” and “most cases take 2-3 weeks to get over.
Here’s the asymptomatic based on REAL data, not model predictions or speculations. Four fifths of cases. Four fucking fifths.
Covid-19: four fifths of cases are asymptomatic, China figures indicate
This is all deflecting off the original point. Yes, deaths occur. Yes, that is unfortunate. But does this (not so) deadly disease justify closing the economy and financial hardship for millions of people. Millions of people vs less than 200,000 deaths worldwide. Did the projected risk justify this level of action. No. Absolutely NOT. History will NOT remember this disease but it will remember the global economic collapse of 2020 because we OVERREACTED to this disease.
Human_backhoe
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9 million deaths a year from starvation and starvation related disease. Yet we shut down the global economy for this? This bleeding heart bullshit has gone too far!
Jankauskas
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I guess they forgot to give us the memo to stay home in 2017
Human_backhoe
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Pretty fucking convenient that the only way to get Trump out is to crash the markets! This is partisan politics at its worst! Funded by pinko commie scum.
Disclaimer! I'm not for or against Trump. I think all politicians are fucking scum these days. I lump him in with all the other egotistical garbage in that sphere! He has done some great things and shit I don't agree with.
Disclaimer! I'm not for or against Trump. I think all politicians are fucking scum these days. I lump him in with all the other egotistical garbage in that sphere! He has done some great things and shit I don't agree with.
4Figgy
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Read an article talking about poverty stricken areas of the world where expected child deaths will be adding up into the hundreds of thousands due to the economics of closing down most of the world. It’s heartbreaking to think that a few people made this decision and it will cause more harm than good.
Professor Karman
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Who are these "few" people that made the decision to close down most of the 1st world countries on the globe? Last time I checked they were each able to do what they thought best for their own country, right?
4Figgy
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Yes, that’s exactly who I am speaking of. In a world of 7 billion people there were a “few”. I’ve been against the shutdowns since the beginning, and these “few” making the calls to shut down everything are causing more harm than good.
Den84
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why you wrote bullshit about Sweden?? Were you take your fake graphic?
Sweden, in Europe, is the country that is doing best of all, without having closed even schools. is all open, also gyms !!
and despite this, they have few new daily infections, they are also learning to treat patients, as you can see from the graphs, people die less and less. Sweden should be an example for everyone!
and it is a proof that there isn’t any kind of pandemic!
And covid19 is only collective psychosis, created for other purposes.
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Professor Karman
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The source of the graph is written in the top right of the graph. From the graphs, it looks like Sweden is starting to get it under control which is a good thing!!
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Neither of the charts are fake. And both are used to mislead.
@Professor Karman: Denmark, Poland, South Korea, Norway, and Finland are all doing much better in terms of the linear death scale than Sweden. But that is a misleading use of data to make a specific point. Why not compare Sweden to Spain, France, or Italy with strict lockdowns?
@Den84: Why would you post the Worldometer Sweden daily death chart to refute the previously posted linear scale chart? You could have just as easily posted the linear scale chart from Worldometer which was on the same page. Of course the curve looks very similar and doesn't refute anything:
Professor Karman
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I didn't create that chart, I pulled it from a third party. If you have the scaled data (they should have scaled the graph I put up too, e.g. per million people) for Spain, France and Italy do post it. How early stay at home measures were put into place would matter as well. While I could have used a more comprehensive plot, I think that at the end of day saying that there is no proof that "social distancing" helps limit the transmission of contagions, and hence deaths, is kind of silly. Whether one thinks that it is worth doing and in the process messing up the economy, at least temporarily, is a different story.
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They would not have included South Korea if that were the case. South Korea has 5x the population of Sweden. Similarly, Spain, Italy and France have 5-7x the population of Sweden.
To me, I think the motivations are clear.
Sweden vs. Denmark, Poland, South Korea, Norway, Finland chart
It was created to "prove" that Sweden (no confinement) is doing FAR WORSE than countries with some level of confinement (Denmark, Poland, South Korea, Norway, Finland).
Sweden vs. Spain, France, Italy chart
This chart could be created to "prove" that Sweden (no confinement) is doing MUCH BETTER than countries with strict confinement (Spain, France, Italy).
For what's it worth, I generally agree with you. I just don't agree with the biased, disingenous use of the data to make the argument. And both of the charts above are more interested in "proving" a perspective rather than arriving at the truth.
Human_backhoe
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The impact of economic recession on maternal and infant mortality: lessons from history
The impact of economic recession on maternal and infant mortality: lessons from history
The impact of economic recession on maternal and infant mortality: lessons from history
Professor Karman
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That wasn't my intention (e.g.I was trying to prove a point but I didn't "cherry pick" on purpose) but yes, even if you scale the graphs you showed per million people (I just visually did it based upon total populations), it looks like Sweden is doing better than Italy, France and Spain. Interesting. Since you do seem to agree that "social distancing" SHOULD work towards decreasing deaths, do you have a theory as to why that isn't the case with Sweden compared to Italy, Spain and France? General health of the population perhaps? Population density?
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