I see a lot of guys on here talking about absolutely extreme amounts of gear in your cycles. I'm not extremely experienced, having done only five cycles myself, now on my fifth, but taking moderate doses I've seen extremely good gains. For example my last cycle was 500 mg of omnadren/400 mg deca per week for eight weeks and i saw huge gains. Do you think all the extra gear, such as orals, is making that much of a difference? I mean muscle can only grow so fast.
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ButterFlyEffect
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Some orals work good with injections like for exmple-
400mg deca a week and
35-40 mg dbol will get u good gains!
bump for more opinions
400mg deca a week and
35-40 mg dbol will get u good gains!
bump for more opinions
monster.
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Moderation is the key, No need to slam dosages.. LOL i just got fired on, for my idea for a cycle, which i think is quite mild.. Diet is so important, If you eat you will grow.. drugs aren't nearly as important as diet!!!!
good post though, take care
good post though, take care
Grizzly
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I agree that moderate dosages are just fine, but if you're putting on 25lbs from a 500mg test/400mg deca cycle, then you are undersized to begin with if it's your fifth cycle.
I don't know if that's the amount of muscle you gained, but that's what I think of when I think of "huge gains".
I don't know if that's the amount of muscle you gained, but that's what I think of when I think of "huge gains".
DocJ
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a post like this pops up about every week. i've found that dosage depends on a lot of factors, example: i'm 5'9" 250, training for 12 years with many cycles under my belt. my diet and training are dialed in and i couldn't gain 5lbs. on the dosages you mention. but...someone who's 5'9" 180, training for 5 years and on their 3rd cycle could probably do quite well on your cycle.
DocJ said:
exactly, alot of these guys who want to knock cycles with large doses have not been in the game that long, 500mg of test and 400 of deca would be a maintenance dosage for me. I know everyone likes to be PC and talk aboiut nutrition and genetics being so important and they are don't get me wrong. But if you don't think poor genetics can be overcome through the stategic usage of pharmacueticals you are wrong. What it comes down to is this, arbitralily if you are within 20 pounds or so of your natural genetic limit then you will probably make gains on moderate cycling. If you are 50 to 100 pounds over your natural genetic limit then you may not grow on any amount of straight aas, this is why the next level is incorporated namely GH, insulin, igf and other goodies. I know we all work hard at our diet and training but lets not kid ourselves the drugs we use DO give us an extraordinary advantage and play a major part in our physique building.
Deacon
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I dont understand what the problem is - if 500mgs of test works for you- go ahead and use it! If it takes two gms and doesn't fuck you up - by all means.
We set ourselves up every time we post our next cycle and ask for input. If you know about gear usage - and most here feel they do from all of the advice they give - why the hell ask someone else?
For those who are new at this I am sure it just confuses them to read some of the posts.
I am simply tired of reading one person's opinion and then four or five cutting that writer down. Give your opinions but stay off of everyone else's backs.
We set ourselves up every time we post our next cycle and ask for input. If you know about gear usage - and most here feel they do from all of the advice they give - why the hell ask someone else?
For those who are new at this I am sure it just confuses them to read some of the posts.
I am simply tired of reading one person's opinion and then four or five cutting that writer down. Give your opinions but stay off of everyone else's backs.
morepain said:
I've always been someone who believes in erroring on the side of cauthion..Less is more..so to speak... And When I talk about guys needing to do less gear, and how they are waisting their time and money by doing these high amounts (over a gram of test a week) I'm refering to newer inexperienced guys... Honestly, if your 25-50 lbs over your genetic limit... You don't need me to explain how to set up a cycle for you....If you are at that point you in your life, then you'd have to be a total idiot if you needed someone to set up a weekly Test Deca Dbol cycle for you..So obviously when we make these suggestions about less is more...It is assumed that the person asking the question is in fact a novice to AAS, and doesn't really understand how to administer dosages.... Guys who ACTUALY need those dosages wouldn't be asking these questions...they'd allready know what to do.
One more thing... I have to say that the number one factor for growth..no matter if your completely Natural or juiced to the gills.. Is training..If your training is shit...I don't care who you are, or how much juice you take..you'll never be anything in either Bodybuilding or Powerlifting...You can overcome poor diet habbits with anabolics but you'll never overcome poor training habits with them.
i agree w/ most, 500t/400d won't make me grow. a lot of guys never come off either; they just keep changing the drugs. i always said i wouldn't be one of those guys, but it's really hard. my present idea of off time is deca winny and hcg. oh well, niko
