Creatine acting as an AI through increased dht?

[Juicedupmonkey]

While cruising on 150mg, I began taking 5g Creatine every day. Within a week, I started noticing lowered libido and joint pain, as well as noticeably increased confidence and aggression, so I stopped the Creatine. Sure enough, a couple days later I was back to normal. I’ve tested this out a couple times, and each time I start taking Creatine, these symptoms return within a couple days. Seeing as Creatine is known to upregulate the 5ar enzyme and increase DHT, is it possible the addition of Creatine has shifted my androgenic: estrogenic ratio towards androgens, which is causing low estrogen symptoms? Could this help me use higher doses of test without any AI? Or would I still experience high estrogen symptoms, since the estrogen is still “there” but it’s being outcompeted for receptors by dht.

 

[Caligrower]

From my personal experience, creatine hasn’t changed my e2. I’ve taking creatine everyday for years and anything above 200mg/week my e2 is pretty high. And I run higher e2 at trt dosing.

 

[Slowww]

Holy moly donut shop! This some big dog shit! Creatine as an AI. Game changer

 

[SenorSuperdrol]

While cruising on 150mg, I began taking 5g Creatine every day. Within a week, I started noticing lowered libido and joint pain, as well as noticeably increased confidence and aggression, so I stopped the Creatine. Sure enough, a couple days later I was back to normal. I’ve tested this out a couple times, and each time I start taking Creatine, these symptoms return within a couple days. Seeing as Creatine is known to upregulate the 5ar enzyme and increase DHT, is it possible the addition of Creatine has shifted my androgenic: estrogenic ratio towards androgens, which is causing low estrogen symptoms? Could this help me use higher doses of test without any AI? Or would I still experience high estrogen symptoms, since the estrogen is still “there” but it’s being outcompeted for receptors by dht.

Reddit and YouTube is really making people believe anything.

 

[Lionmask]

While cruising on 150mg, I began taking 5g Creatine every day. Within a week, I started noticing lowered libido and joint pain, as well as noticeably increased confidence and aggression, so I stopped the Creatine. Sure enough, a couple days later I was back to normal. I’ve tested this out a couple times, and each time I start taking Creatine, these symptoms return within a couple days. Seeing as Creatine is known to upregulate the 5ar enzyme and increase DHT, is it possible the addition of Creatine has shifted my androgenic: estrogenic ratio towards androgens, which is causing low estrogen symptoms? Could this help me use higher doses of test without any AI? Or would I still experience high estrogen symptoms, since the estrogen is still “there” but it’s being outcompeted for receptors by dht.

If that was the case, creatine would be crashing natties e2. Think more

 

[romo]

Interesting. I have never heard such a thing.

 

[malomkarom]

It's not an AI and doesn't have the capability to be one.

That being said, I also get high DHT (atleast sides) from creatine when saturated. Barely noticable but loading it for a few day makes it a bit more apparent.
It's not a huge deal and wont change your E2 enough to notice on bloodwork, but to me it increaded libido (I get crazy from DHT) and almost instantly made me shed like a DHT derivative would in lower doses. I'm talking 100-200 Mast a week.

It raised my DHT considerably but I can't remember the numbers and don't wanna lie.

 

[Juicedupmonkey]

If that was the case, creatine would be crashing natties e2. Think more

Natties can never completely crash e2 because their body responds by increasing testosterone production so as to maintain homeostasis. This is how enclomiphene and Aromatase inhibitor mono therapy function to increase testosterone levels in natty’s.

 

[Juicedupmonkey]

Reddit and YouTube is really making people believe anything.

Say what you will but one of DHT’s main mechanisms is to compete with estrogen for binding at the receptor. This is why you can allow estrogen to be much higher when you’re at 3k+ ng/dl of testosterone than you can when you’re at, say, 600ng/dl.

 

[Nidus]

Say what you will but one of DHT’s main mechanisms is to compete with estrogen for binding at the receptor. This is why you can allow estrogen to be much higher when you’re at 3k+ ng/dl of testosterone than you can when you’re at, say, 600ng/dl.

So youre saying that you can just let E2 go as high as it goes as long as you blast DHT?

 

[Johnnan2880]

It's not an AI and doesn't have the capability to be one.

That being said, I also get high DHT (atleast sides) from creatine when saturated. Barely noticable but loading it for a few day makes it a bit more apparent.
It's not a huge deal and wont change your E2 enough to notice on bloodwork, but to me it increaded libido (I get crazy from DHT) and almost instantly made me shed like a DHT derivative would in lower doses. I'm talking 100-200 Mast a week.

It raised my DHT considerably but I can't remember the numbers and don't wanna lie.

When I saturate it causes my dht to go high enough to induce hair loss. I had to quit taking it once I made the connection (didn’t get labs but it was the only supplement I was on besides vitamins)). Sucks because it does help a ton in the gym

 

[Slowww]

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Natties can never completely crash e2 because their body responds by increasing testosterone production so as to maintain homeostasis. This is how enclomiphene and Aromatase inhibitor mono therapy function to increase testosterone levels in natty’s.

Oh yes this is why when natural e2 goes down from creatine we see their test shoot up to 1200. Creatine monotherapy. When my buddy went to the doctor for trt this is what they gave him. They said 400 is still not low enough for testosterone but if you want to boost it drink some creatine shakes!

He’s already bald so they said don’t worry you won’t lose your hair from creatine.

We don’t got weed as strong as whatever you two are smoking in Ca, what strain is that shit bro?

 

[Nidus]

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Oh yes this is why when natural e2 goes down from creatine we see their test shoot up to 1200. Creatine monotherapy. When my buddy went to the doctor for trt this is what they gave him. They said 400 is still not low enough for testosterone but if you want to boost it drink some creatine shakes!

He’s already bald so they said don’t worry you won’t lose your hair from creatine.

We don’t got weed as strong as whatever you two are smoking in Ca, what strain is that shit bro?

You had me in the first half, not gonna lie!

 

[ComancheChief]

Lmfao wow Creatine as an AI holy shit that is a new one

 

[Johnnan2880]

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Oh yes this is why when natural e2 goes down from creatine we see their test shoot up to 1200. Creatine monotherapy. When my buddy went to the doctor for trt this is what they gave him. They said 400 is still not low enough for testosterone but if you want to boost it drink some creatine shakes!

He’s already bald so they said don’t worry you won’t lose your hair from creatine.

We don’t got weed as strong as whatever you two are smoking in Ca, what strain is that shit bro?

Plenty of info on the webs and YouTube about it. It doesn’t necessarily cause baldness in people without the genetic disposition to it but in those of us that have it it can cause hair thinning and loss. Stopped it and my hair is mostly back to normal now. Got thicker in about 3 months of stopping. I don’t see it being an AI but lots are finding it to cause hair thinning in those with markers for it

 

[Slowww]

Plenty of info on the webs and YouTube about it. It doesn’t necessarily cause baldness in people without the genetic disposition to it but in those of us that have it it can cause hair thinning and loss. Stopped it and my hair is mostly back to normal now. Got thicker in about 3 months of stopping. I don’t see it being an AI but lots are finding it to cause hair thinning in those with markers for it

I’d like to see the measurement of your hairs to prove that it got thicker.

Please give us some CONCLUSIVE evidence for these claims. Same for OP.

It’s really simple right?

 

[Johnnan2880]

I’d like to see the measurement of your hairs to prove that it got thicker.

Please give us some CONCLUSIVE evidence for these claims. Same for OP.

It’s really simple right?

If I had taken pics you’d see night and day difference. Couldn’t see my scalp before and hair was much thicker. It happenend very quickly too and I have never loaded creatine that much before and was literally the only supplement I was on besides a vitamin. Believe it or not idgaf but it’s coming to light for lots of folks. It’s like anything else in life there’s new evidence all the time. I won’t load it again unless I get on finastriade and I don’t wanna take that so probably never use it again.

 

[Slowww]

If I had taken pics you’d see night and day difference. Couldn’t see my scalp before and hair was much thicker. It happenend very quickly too
It’s like anything else in life there’s new evidence all the time.

None of this is conclusive. Yes bro please show the evidence, that’s what I was asking to see since I haven’t been updated about it

 

[goodstuffbro]

Or maybe creatine has some brain effect?

 

[AlexDavis43]

Or maybe creatine has some brain effect?

yeah maybe, recent study on 20 g/d in elderly, plus some earlier studies