Critique High Concentration Blends

[jester10305]

I'm homebrewing for the first time here. My primary reason for trying this is I want high concentration blends. I am trying to replicate blends that I have bought from UGLs throughout the years (so I know it's achievable). The trade off for me is having a little bit of PIP from high concentration oils but having to pin far less oil. Also, the efficiency of blends is so much more convenient for me. My hope is to have some of you gurus:

1. Look at my lab equipment for any problems or omissions
2. Look at my recipes for disaster aversion.

Here's what I've got:
1. JoanLab vacuum filtration apparatus (2000mL Glass Filtration Apparatus, Graduated Funnel, Glass Funnel, Filter Flask and Aluminum Clamp) https://www.ebay.com/itm/111895574102
2. Millipore GVWP04700 White PVDF Durapore Hydrophilic Membrane Filter, 47mm Diameter, 0.22 Micron (Pack of 100) 3. 2.5 CFM Vacuum Pump https://m.harborfreight.com/25-cfm-vacuum-pump-98076.html?utm_referrer=direct%2Fnot%20provided (2.5 CFM Vacuum Pump)
4. Swan 99 Percent Isopropyl Alcohol Antiseptic Solution, 16 Ounce (Pack of 2) 5. Wang-Data Manual vial crimper 20mm 6. Lab Magnetic Stirrer with Heating Plate 85-2 Hotplate https://www.ebay.com/itm/253046563593
7. Magnetic Stir Bar Combo Pack, Large Sizes- 30mm, 45mm, 60mm & 70mm https://www.ebay.com/itm/111428114085
8. Exel 60ml / cc Luer Lock Syringe Only, BX/25 Exel 60ml / cc Luer Lock Syringe Only, BX/25 | Med Lab Supply
9. 10mL, Exel Luer Lock Syringe Only, Qty 100 10ml EXEL Luer Lock Syringe w/o Needle (Qty. 100) | Med Lab Supply
10. 150mL Low Form Graduated Glass Beakers 150ml Low Form Graduated Glass Beakers (Qty. 1) | Med Lab Supply
11. Hybex Glass Media Bottle, 100mL, Blue, qty 3 Hybex 100ml Glass Media Bottle-Blue B3000-100 (Qty. 1) | Med Lab Supply
12. Kimax Glass Stirring Rod 250 x 6 mm (Qty. 10) https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/kimax-glass-stirring-rod-250-x-6-mm-qty-10.html
13. Benzyl Benzoate USP 100mL (3.4 oz) https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/benzyl-benzoate-usp-100ml-3-4oz.html
14. Benzyl Alcohol USP, NF, 100 mL / 3.4 oz https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/benzyl-alcohol-usp-100ml-3-4oz.html
15. Ethyl Oleate USP, NF, Non-GMO, 100mL https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/ethyl-oleate-usp-100ml.html
16. Disposable Surgical Face Mask - Blue (Qty. 50) https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/disposable-surgical-face-mask-blue-qty-10.html
17. Various Gauge Needles
18. Powder Free Gloves
19. Raws

Here's what I want to brew:

1. MASS-STACK 30 ml-400mg/ml
- 4.5g Test E D=4.2435ml
- 4.5g EQ D=4.28574ml
- 3g Tren E D=2.727ml
- Total D=11.25624ml

- 0.375ml BA (2%)
- 3.75ml BB (20%)
- 7.3125ml EO (39%)
- 7.3125ml GSO (39%)
- 11.25ml Raw Displacement

2. CUT-STACK 30ml-375mg/ml Test P 150mg/Tren A 100mg/Mast P 75mg/Winny 50mg
- 4.5g Test P
- 3g Tren A
- 2.25 g Mast P
- 1.5 g Winny
- -Total D=9.5ml

30(v)-9.5(d)-.6(ba)-6(bb)= 13.9ml of carrier

- 6.95ml EO (39%)
- 6.95ml GSO (39%)
- 9.5ml Raw Displacement
- .6ml BA (2%)
- 6ml BB (20%)

3. Tri-Tren 30ml-200mg/ml Tren A 50mg/Tren E 50mg/Tren Hex 100mg
- 1.5g Tren A 1.422ml
- 1.5g Tren E 1.3635ml
- 3g Tren Hex 2.55ml
- Total D=5.5ml

- 6ml BA (2%)
- 6ml BB (20%)
- 17.9ml GSO (78%)
- 5.5ml Raw Displacement

4. Test E 20ml-600mg/ml
- 12g Test E D=10.2ml

- .6ml BA (3%)
- 2ml BB (10%)
- 5ml EO (25%)
- 2.2ml GSO (11%)
- 10.2ml Raw Displacement

I greatly appreciate any direction or input. Thanks all!

 

[master.on]

I'm homebrewing for the first time here. My primary reason for trying this is I want high concentration blends. I am trying to replicate blends that I have bought from UGLs throughout the years (so I know it's achievable). The trade off for me is having a little bit of PIP from high concentration oils but having to pin far less oil. Also, the efficiency of blends is so much more convenient for me. My hope is to have some of you gurus:

1. Look at my lab equipment for any problems or omissions
2. Look at my recipes for disaster aversion.

Here's what I've got:
1. JoanLab vacuum filtration apparatus (2000mL Glass Filtration Apparatus, Graduated Funnel, Glass Funnel, Filter Flask and Aluminum Clamp) https://www.ebay.com/itm/111895574102
2. Millipore GVWP04700 White PVDF Durapore Hydrophilic Membrane Filter, 47mm Diameter, 0.22 Micron (Pack of 100) 3. 2.5 CFM Vacuum Pump https://m.harborfreight.com/25-cfm-vacuum-pump-98076.html?utm_referrer=direct%2Fnot%20provided (2.5 CFM Vacuum Pump)
4. Swan 99 Percent Isopropyl Alcohol Antiseptic Solution, 16 Ounce (Pack of 2) 5. Wang-Data Manual vial crimper 20mm 6. Lab Magnetic Stirrer with Heating Plate 85-2 Hotplate https://www.ebay.com/itm/253046563593
7. Magnetic Stir Bar Combo Pack, Large Sizes- 30mm, 45mm, 60mm & 70mm https://www.ebay.com/itm/111428114085
8. Exel 60ml / cc Luer Lock Syringe Only, BX/25 Exel 60ml / cc Luer Lock Syringe Only, BX/25 | Med Lab Supply
9. 10mL, Exel Luer Lock Syringe Only, Qty 100 10ml EXEL Luer Lock Syringe w/o Needle (Qty. 100) | Med Lab Supply
10. 150mL Low Form Graduated Glass Beakers 150ml Low Form Graduated Glass Beakers (Qty. 1) | Med Lab Supply
11. Hybex Glass Media Bottle, 100mL, Blue, qty 3 Hybex 100ml Glass Media Bottle-Blue B3000-100 (Qty. 1) | Med Lab Supply
12. Kimax Glass Stirring Rod 250 x 6 mm (Qty. 10) https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/kimax-glass-stirring-rod-250-x-6-mm-qty-10.html
13. Benzyl Benzoate USP 100mL (3.4 oz) https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/benzyl-benzoate-usp-100ml-3-4oz.html (Benzyl Benzoate, Ultra Pure, USP 100ml (3.4 oz) | Med Lab Supply)
14. Benzyl Alcohol USP, NF, 100 mL / 3.4 oz https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/benzyl-alcohol-usp-100ml-3-4oz.html (Benzyl Alcohol, Ultra Pure, 99.9% USP 100mL, 3.4 fl oz | Med Lab Supply)
15. Ethyl Oleate USP, NF, Non-GMO, 100mL https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/ethyl-oleate-usp-100ml.html (Ethyl Oleate USP, NF, Non-GMO, 100mL | Med Lab Supply)
16. Disposable Surgical Face Mask - Blue (Qty. 50) https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/disposable-surgical-face-mask-blue-qty-10.html
17. Various Gauge Needles
18. Powder Free Gloves
19. Raws

Here's what I want to brew:

1. MASS-STACK 30 ml-400mg/ml
- 4.5g Test E D=4.2435ml
- 4.5g EQ D=4.28574ml
- 3g Tren E D=2.727ml
- Total D=11.25624ml

- 0.375ml BA (2%)
- 3.75ml BB (20%)
- 7.3125ml EO (39%)
- 7.3125ml GSO (39%)
- 11.25ml Raw Displacement

2. CUT-STACK 30ml-375mg/ml Test P 150mg/Tren A 100mg/Mast P 75mg/Winny 50mg
- 4.5g Test P
- 3g Tren A
- 2.25 g Mast P
- 1.5 g Winny
- -Total D=9.5ml

30(v)-9.5(d)-.6(ba)-6(bb)= 13.9ml of carrier

- 6.95ml EO (39%)
- 6.95ml GSO (39%)
- 9.5ml Raw Displacement
- .6ml BA (2%)
- 6ml BB (20%)

3. Tri-Tren 30ml-200mg/ml Tren A 50mg/Tren E 50mg/Tren Hex 100mg
- 1.5g Tren A 1.422ml
- 1.5g Tren E 1.3635ml
- 3g Tren Hex 2.55ml
- Total D=5.5ml

- 6ml BA (2%)
- 6ml BB (20%)
- 17.9ml GSO (78%)
- 5.5ml Raw Displacement

4. Test E 20ml-600mg/ml
- 12g Test E D=10.2ml

- .6ml BA (3%)
- 2ml BB (10%)
- 5ml EO (25%)
- 2.2ml GSO (11%)
- 10.2ml Raw Displacement

I greatly appreciate any direction or input. Thanks all!

1 IMO 2% BA is too much. Better dial down to 1.5%

2 Have you tried EO before?
Make sure you aren't allergic to it

3 IMO Winny is a waste of time, money and PIP if injected.

4 Brew at, say 20% BB while warm
see if it holds
if it doesn't add some extra BB to 25%, stir while warm
if it doesn't hold, add BB to 30%
30% BB is the limit IMO
if it doesn't hold, add oil slowly, just in 10% increments while taking time to stir while warm, to see when it holds.

5 Do some extra math to see what's required to turn it back to usual concentrations in case it doesn't hold in solution.
i.e. if your Test E recipe doesn't hold at 500 or 600 mg/ml,
calculate how much BA/BB/oil you need to add to dial it back to 250 or 300 mg/ml.
If it doesn't hold it's better to end up with some perfectly fine normal concentration gear, than crashed, half brewed gear.

p.s.
only brewing in multiples of 100 ml
helps avoid math confusion a lot lot

 

[jester10305]

1 IMO 2% BA is too much. Better dial down to 1.5%

So the .5ml lost should be replaced with additional GSO or EO?

2 Have you tried EO before?
Make sure you aren't allergic to it

I don't know if I have. I may have had gear with EO in the past. I assume the only way to find out is to inject x-ML's of EO to test it out?

3 IMO Winny is a waste of time, money and PIP if injected.

I actually kinda agree but I wanted the Winny mostly for SHBG reduction and fluid balance.

4 Brew at, say 20% BB while warm
see if it holds
if it doesn't add some extra BB to 25%, stir while warm
if it doesn't hold, add BB to 30%
30% BB is the limit IMO
if it doesn't hold, add oil slowly, just in 10% increments while taking time to stir while warm, to see when it holds.

So is there any particular reason you think this blend might not hold?

5 Do some extra math to see what's required to turn it back to usual concentrations in case it doesn't hold in solution.
i.e. if your Test E recipe doesn't hold at 500 or 600 mg/ml,
calculate how much BA/BB/oil you need to add to dial it back to 250 or 300 mg/ml.
If it doesn't hold it's better to end up with some perfectly fine normal concentration gear, than crashed, half brewed gear.

I had never even thought of that!

Thanks for the input! Just what I'm looking for

 

[master.on]

So the .5ml lost should be replaced with additional GSO or EO?
oil
The reason for 1.5% is that high BA is the main reason (although not the only one) for painful blends.
Even if you dilute it to 1% (no matter if using oil, BB or EO), that's still acceptable.



I don't know if I have. I may have had gear with EO in the past. I assume the only way to find out is to inject x-ML's of EO to test it out?
Yes
inject a couple ml, just EO with 1-1.5% BA, sterile filtered and see what happens.
You may want to have some antihistamines handy.



I actually kinda agree but I wanted the Winny mostly for SHBG reduction and fluid balance.
I agree but it's your call



So is there any particular reason you think this blend might not hold?
500 may hold, 600 maybe not, but it depends on raws purity
some guys swear long esters, like Test Decanoate, hold better at high concentrations than E or Cyp do. Idk if that's true or not. At the end you'll have to experiment yourself.



I had never even thought of that!

Thanks for the input! Just what I'm looking for
you're welcome

 

[Leancuisine]

Curious as to see how these turned out.

I can tel you already #2 will not hold. You will need to bump BA and BB up. Probably to 5/40 respectively. I would make a blend of 75% EO and 25% Mig.

I have Test E 600 but it's 100% EO, not mixed with GSO.

The rest look ok, only thing is, aside from the tren and the #1, you will probably have to use 100% EO.

 

[ziopane]

pip from 150mg of test prop in the cut stack will kick your ass off. imo it's better less than 100mg/ml, and it should hold on better.

 

[Leancuisine]

pip from 150mg of test prop in the cut stack will kick your ass off. imo it's better less than 100mg/ml, and it should hold on better.

I've gotten 150 to hold with not a whole lot of pip. 166 was the highest I could do without crashing.

As far as a blend... he's not going to get over 300mg/ml to hold.

 

[master.on]

I'm homebrewing for the first time here. My primary reason for trying this is I want high concentration blends. I am trying to replicate blends that I have bought from UGLs throughout the years (so I know it's achievable). The trade off for me is having a little bit of PIP from high concentration oils but having to pin far less oil. Also, the efficiency of blends is so much more convenient for me. My hope is to have some of you gurus:

1. Look at my lab equipment for any problems or omissions
2. Look at my recipes for disaster aversion.

Here's what I've got:
1. JoanLab vacuum filtration apparatus (2000mL Glass Filtration Apparatus, Graduated Funnel, Glass Funnel, Filter Flask and Aluminum Clamp) https://www.ebay.com/itm/111895574102
2. Millipore GVWP04700 White PVDF Durapore Hydrophilic Membrane Filter, 47mm Diameter, 0.22 Micron (Pack of 100) 3. 2.5 CFM Vacuum Pump https://m.harborfreight.com/25-cfm-vacuum-pump-98076.html?utm_referrer=direct%2Fnot%20provided (2.5 CFM Vacuum Pump)
4. Swan 99 Percent Isopropyl Alcohol Antiseptic Solution, 16 Ounce (Pack of 2) 5. Wang-Data Manual vial crimper 20mm 6. Lab Magnetic Stirrer with Heating Plate 85-2 Hotplate https://www.ebay.com/itm/253046563593
7. Magnetic Stir Bar Combo Pack, Large Sizes- 30mm, 45mm, 60mm & 70mm https://www.ebay.com/itm/111428114085
8. Exel 60ml / cc Luer Lock Syringe Only, BX/25 Exel 60ml / cc Luer Lock Syringe Only, BX/25 | Med Lab Supply
9. 10mL, Exel Luer Lock Syringe Only, Qty 100 10ml EXEL Luer Lock Syringe w/o Needle (Qty. 100) | Med Lab Supply
10. 150mL Low Form Graduated Glass Beakers 150ml Low Form Graduated Glass Beakers (Qty. 1) | Med Lab Supply
11. Hybex Glass Media Bottle, 100mL, Blue, qty 3 Hybex 100ml Glass Media Bottle-Blue B3000-100 (Qty. 1) | Med Lab Supply
12. Kimax Glass Stirring Rod 250 x 6 mm (Qty. 10) https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/kimax-glass-stirring-rod-250-x-6-mm-qty-10.html
13. Benzyl Benzoate USP 100mL (3.4 oz) https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/benzyl-benzoate-usp-100ml-3-4oz.html (Benzyl Benzoate, Ultra Pure, USP 100ml (3.4 oz) | Med Lab Supply)
14. Benzyl Alcohol USP, NF, 100 mL / 3.4 oz https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/benzyl-alcohol-usp-100ml-3-4oz.html (Benzyl Alcohol, Ultra Pure, 99.9% USP 100mL, 3.4 fl oz | Med Lab Supply)
15. Ethyl Oleate USP, NF, Non-GMO, 100mL https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/ethyl-oleate-usp-100ml.html (Ethyl Oleate USP, NF, Non-GMO, 100mL | Med Lab Supply)
16. Disposable Surgical Face Mask - Blue (Qty. 50) https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/disposable-surgical-face-mask-blue-qty-10.html
17. Various Gauge Needles
18. Powder Free Gloves
19. Raws

Here's what I want to brew:

1. MASS-STACK 30 ml-400mg/ml
- 4.5g Test E D=4.2435ml
- 4.5g EQ D=4.28574ml
- 3g Tren E D=2.727ml
- Total D=11.25624ml

- 0.375ml BA (2%)
- 3.75ml BB (20%)
- 7.3125ml EO (39%)
- 7.3125ml GSO (39%)
- 11.25ml Raw Displacement

2. CUT-STACK 30ml-375mg/ml Test P 150mg/Tren A 100mg/Mast P 75mg/Winny 50mg
- 4.5g Test P
- 3g Tren A
- 2.25 g Mast P
- 1.5 g Winny
- -Total D=9.5ml

30(v)-9.5(d)-.6(ba)-6(bb)= 13.9ml of carrier

- 6.95ml EO (39%)
- 6.95ml GSO (39%)
- 9.5ml Raw Displacement
- .6ml BA (2%)
- 6ml BB (20%)

3. Tri-Tren 30ml-200mg/ml Tren A 50mg/Tren E 50mg/Tren Hex 100mg
- 1.5g Tren A 1.422ml
- 1.5g Tren E 1.3635ml
- 3g Tren Hex 2.55ml
- Total D=5.5ml

- 6ml BA (2%)
- 6ml BB (20%)
- 17.9ml GSO (78%)
- 5.5ml Raw Displacement

4. Test E 20ml-600mg/ml
- 12g Test E D=10.2ml

- .6ml BA (3%)
- 2ml BB (10%)
- 5ml EO (25%)
- 2.2ml GSO (11%)
- 10.2ml Raw Displacement

I greatly appreciate any direction or input. Thanks all!

Just curious if #2 filter membranes are
A just intended for gravity prefiltration or
B the vacuum filtration system (#1) allows you to replace just the membrane, without having to discard the whole bottletop?

 

[jester10305]

Just curious if #2 filter membranes are
A just intended for gravity prefiltration or
B the vacuum filtration system (#1) allows you to replace just the membrane, without having to discard the whole bottletop?

A. The filters are intended for glassware vacuum filtration. In reading others experiences, however, only about 30-40 mls can be filtered per membrane.

B. Yes. The apparatus can use any filter membrane 40-60mm.

 

[jester10305]

I've gotten 150 to hold with not a whole lot of pip. 166 was the highest I could do without crashing.

As far as a blend... he's not going to get over 300mg/ml to hold.

I have several bottles of TTM 375 (Test E 125/Mast E 125/Tren E 125). I wonder how they got it to hold.

 

[Bigguy]

I have several bottles of TTM 375 (Test E 125/Mast E 125/Tren E 125). I wonder how they got it to hold.

Long esters, not short.

 

[jester10305]

Long esters, not short.

True

 

[jester10305]

Well #3 brewed with ease and has held well. Zero pip but no Tren cough, which I'm slightly concerned about because I get Tren cough with almost every injection. I was actually hoping for it, but none.

I do have to admit I made a stupid mistake during vacuum filtration. The Millipore membrane filters came with sheets in between the filters in the package. Instead of using the filter, I used the spacer sheet and put that in the Buchner filter. I sat there trying to filter through and impermeable sheet for 20min. I couldn't help but laugh at myself but it only resulted in a loss of about 4ML.

 

[grey]

Test E 125/Mast E 125/tren E 125

I will never understand the reasoning behind dosing Masteron and Tren at the same strength.

 

[jester10305]

I will never understand the reasoning behind dosing Masteron and Tren at the same strength.

Why?

 

[jester10305]

When I brewed number 3 I heated the Tren to ~140° F for about 15. Do you think that ruined it? I'm reading some people saying not to heat any Tren. Is that true?

 

[grey]

Why?

Trenbolone:
Anabolic activity index: 500 % of testosterone
Androgenic activity index: 500 % of testosterone

Masteron:
Anabolic activity index: 62 % of testosterone
Androgenic activity index: 25 % of testosterone


Do those properties look congruent? Does it suggest using the same dose of each for effect?

I don't ask to be snarky... just to show where the line of thought comes from.

It is a bit like mixing cocaine and caffeine together, but at the same milligram dose weights.

Both are stimulants, but one is FAR more potent than the other per weight.

 

[jester10305]

Trenbolone:
Anabolic activity index: 500 % of testosterone
Androgenic activity index: 500 % of testosterone

Masteron:
Anabolic activity index: 62 % of testosterone
Androgenic activity index: 25 % of testosterone


Do those properties look congruent? Does it suggest using the same dose of each for effect?

I don't ask to be snarky... just to show where the line of thought comes from.

It is a bit like mixing cocaine and caffeine together, but at the same milligram dose weights.

Both are stimulants, but one is FAR more potent than the other per weight.

That makes perfect sense. Thanks! So if you were to lower the mast which compound would you make up the difference from?

 

[grey]

So if you were to lower the mast which compound would you make up the difference from?

I wouldn't lower the Masteron, I would delete it from the combo. Up the Test, Keep the Tren (if that will hold with the increased Test) and brew the Mast separately since you need it at higher weight doses to achieve effects.