critique of new cycle

[getswoll]

hey y'all. I've got tren acetate, dbol, and sust. I'm planning on taking 20mg of tren ed, 1cc sust every 6 days and 50 dbol starting on week two. (I've also got 100 nolvadex to take too). I'm looking at about a 60 day cycle. What do y'all think?

GS

PS: I also have some prop 100, but I wasn't planning on using it.

 

[PUMPED]

you should really go back and research..your cycle is a joke...

why only 20 mgs of tren ed?

250 mgs of test sust every 6 days...it should be injected eod or a every 3 days if you want to push it...and only running test for 8 weeks....should run it for at least 10

50 mgs of d-bol starting week 2? why not week 1 ?


RESEARCH

but since you won't

here would be a nice beginner stack for you...

500 mgs of test a week wks 1-10
30-50 mgs of d-bol split up into 2-4 doses...wks 1-5
nolvadex 10 mgs eod
PCT

save the tren and prop for another cycle....

 

[getswoll]

you should really go back and research..your cycle is a joke...

why only 20 mgs of tren ed?

250 mgs of test sust every 6 days...it should be injected eod or a every 3 days if you want to push it...

50 mgs of d-bol starting week 2? why not week 1 ?


RESEARCH

as for the tren: what I have read says anywhere from 20 to 100 ed is acceptable, I wanted to test my tolerance first and then bump up accordingly.

as for the sust: everyone I know that has used it has done so extremely successfully with 1cc e6d

as for the dbol: I was advised to get the test and tren in my system for a week before doing the dbol. These guys swear by this increasing its effectivness. With their experience with AAS I trust them.

Overall, I have not used dbol or tren before, but have used test before, and I do better with a 6 day split than more often, it might just be me....

GS

 

[getswoll]

you should really go back and research..your cycle is a joke...

why only 20 mgs of tren ed?

250 mgs of test sust every 6 days...it should be injected eod or a every 3 days if you want to push it...and only running test for 8 weeks....should run it for at least 10

50 mgs of d-bol starting week 2? why not week 1 ?


RESEARCH

but since you won't

here would be a nice beginner stack for you...

500 mgs of test a week wks 1-10
30-50 mgs of d-bol split up into 2-4 doses...wks 1-5
nolvadex 10 mgs eod
PCT

save the tren and prop for another cycle....

Just noticed the end of your post. I'm not a beginner, I'm just experimenting with something new. Also, I have done quite a bit of research including empirical surveys and fact gathering on most AAS.

GS

 

[PUMPED]

well other people will chime in.....

 

[getswoll]

well other people will chime in.....

Perhaps, but I have seen them make dramatic strides with what they do and council others to do.

 

[dumblucky]

My first cycle of tren was 75mg eod so thats 37.5mg aday
close to what you want to try
let us know how it works for you

on a side note I have bumped my fina dosage to 75mg ED on my second fina cycle with it

 

[einstein1905]

as for the sust: everyone I know that has used it has done so extremely successfully with 1cc e6d

Extremely successful relative to what? Not using AAS?
You'll gain no matter how you shoot it, but we're in the business of optimizing things to gain as efficiently as possible. Knowing the esters in sust, it logically follows that ED injects would be ideal, EOD at the least frequent. If you want to inject less frequently, just switch to a single-estered test that makes more sense, based on the intended use. Also, 8 weeks of sust is poor utilization of something that is made up of 1/2 longer esters. You won't even really reach a point where you'll be at peak plasma levels to fully take advantage of sust.

No problem starting the tren at a low dosage and moving up, although 20mg/day is very low IMO.

Since you have the prop anyway, I'd say go ED injects with prop and tren for 8 weeks and actually fully utilize all 8 weeks. otherwise, switch to a longer cycle and incorporate the sust

 

[mr.big]

Extremely successful relative to what? Not using AAS?
You'll gain no matter how you shoot it, but we're in the business of optimizing things to gain as efficiently as possible. Knowing the esters in sust, it logically follows that ED injects would be ideal, EOD at the least frequent. If you want to inject less frequently, just switch to a single-estered test that makes more sense, based on the intended use. Also, 8 weeks of sust is poor utilization of something that is made up of 1/2 longer esters. You won't even really reach a point where you'll be at peak plasma levels to fully take advantage of sust.

No problem starting the tren at a low dosage and moving up, although 20mg/day is very low IMO.

Since you have the prop anyway, I'd say go ED injects with prop and tren for 8 weeks and actually fully utilize all 8 weeks. otherwise, switch to a longer cycle and incorporate the sust

einstein, I'm curious, in your studies, what are peak plasma levels?

Thanks.

 

[einstein1905]

einstein, I'm curious, in your studies, what are peak plasma levels?

Thanks.

Using an AAS with a relatively long ester (of which sust has two), you'll reach a point where the injection frequency and dosage result in a plasma level that is at a "steady state" because of the 1/2 lives of the esters involved. For instance, with enanthate, injecting every 3.5 days results in a steady state plasma level that equilibrates probably around week 4-5 at typical doses (500mg/wk). the weeks leading up to that point is really a buildup period, and the weeks after are relatively constant in terms of plasma levels (until injections cease). So really the optimal phase of your test E cycle begins at about week 4-5....with longer estered AAS, such as EQ or deca, this occurs even later. if you're running a shorter cycle, it's better to use a short ester, so that you're at steady state plasma levels earlier, and you therefore utilize the cycle duration much more efficiently

 

[getswoll]

Using an AAS with a relatively long ester (of which sust has two), you'll reach a point where the injection frequency and dosage result in a plasma level that is at a "steady state" because of the 1/2 lives of the esters involved. For instance, with enanthate, injecting every 3.5 days results in a steady state plasma level that equilibrates probably around week 4-5 at typical doses (500mg/wk). the weeks leading up to that point is really a buildup period, and the weeks after are relatively constant in terms of plasma levels (until injections cease). So really the optimal phase of your test E cycle begins at about week 4-5....with longer estered AAS, such as EQ or deca, this occurs even later. if you're running a shorter cycle, it's better to use a short ester, so that you're at steady state plasma levels earlier, and you therefore utilize the cycle duration much more efficiently

Thanks for your constructive feedback, unlike some people's. I'll deffinately take what you said about plasma levels into concideration. Have a good one.

GS

 

[mr.big]

Using an AAS with a relatively long ester (of which sust has two), you'll reach a point where the injection frequency and dosage result in a plasma level that is at a "steady state" because of the 1/2 lives of the esters involved. For instance, with enanthate, injecting every 3.5 days results in a steady state plasma level that equilibrates probably around week 4-5 at typical doses (500mg/wk). the weeks leading up to that point is really a buildup period, and the weeks after are relatively constant in terms of plasma levels (until injections cease). So really the optimal phase of your test E cycle begins at about week 4-5....with longer estered AAS, such as EQ or deca, this occurs even later. if you're running a shorter cycle, it's better to use a short ester, so that you're at steady state plasma levels earlier, and you therefore utilize the cycle duration much more efficiently

That's exactly what I was thinking given the bad and good experiences I've
had with various esters. I made some mistakes in the way I dosed various
esters in past cycles and I only have myself to blame. Made good gains but
they could have been much better if I studied half-life and active-lives on
these various compounds and planned out injections accordingly.

 

[Deacon]

hey y'all. I've got tren acetate, dbol, and sust. I'm planning on taking 20mg of tren ed, 1cc sust every 6 days and 50 dbol starting on week two. (I've also got 100 nolvadex to take too). I'm looking at about a 60 day cycle. What do y'all think?

GS

PS: I also have some prop 100, but I wasn't planning on using it.

first of all I agree with what Einstein has told you in his first post above.

IMO sus needs to be shot eod for the best performance of the drug - if someone else is seeing gains off of 1 cc every 6 days it cannnot be much.
When I use it I try for Mon, Tue, Fri, injects and run it at least 500mgs but actually 750 works best for me.
I would also bump the tren to at least 40mgs ed
And lower the d-bol to 40 mgs ed

Above someone called the cycle foolish - well I would have to agree to a point - but it just needs some tweeking is all. Good Luck


do not take nolva unless you really need it during the cycle - nolva won't stop tren gyno anyway - you bromo and B6 for that. B6 run throughout the cycle will help combat gyno.

 

[getswoll]

first of all I agree with what Einstein has told you in his first post above.

IMO sus needs to be shot eod for the best performance of the drug - if someone else is seeing gains off of 1 cc every 6 days it cannnot be much.
When I use it I try for Mon, Tue, Fri, injects and run it at least 500mgs but actually 750 works best for me.
I would also bump the tren to at least 40mgs ed
And lower the d-bol to 40 mgs ed

Above someone called the cycle foolish - well I would have to agree to a point - but it just needs some tweeking is all. Good Luck


do not take nolva unless you really need it during the cycle - nolva won't stop tren gyno anyway - you bromo and B6 for that. B6 run throughout the cycle will help combat gyno.

Thanks for the input.

GS