Cut cycle advice

[4Drago]

Currently taking a break from my last cycle and on trt dose of 40mg sustanon eod. After this 10 wk break I'm gonna start a cut cycle starting Feb 1st. Sitting at 250-253lbs 5'9". About 15-17% bf right now. My maintenance calories is 3750 right now. Planning to drop down to 2400 calories. Gonna get in at least 220-250g protein. Gonna be 3 prepared meals (veggie, lean protein, rice), and 2 shakes between meals to help me keep my protein needs. Will also use kombucha and some probiotic supplements to help with digestion.

I haven't fully decided what doses to take to make sure I don't lose any muscle mass. Was thinking of sticking with test p 100mg, mast p 100mg, maybe npp 100mg inject ed. Or, now that I got my tolerance dosage of tren a figured out maybe do test p 50mg, mast p 100mg, and tren a 20mg Ed.
I've never done an actual cutting cycle where i got below 11-12% bf, but have been using gear off and on for decades.
How do the dosages look for maintaining mass without any loss?
I'll also be taking 3-5iu hgh ed
Since I'm diabetic I'll probably still need 30units of Lantus per day and about 7-10 units novalog per carb meal. My only carbs will be from 1/2 cup rice per meal and veggies. But the hgh will increase my insulin resistance so it inevitable. Hopefully I'll be able to lower these insulin dosages but time will tell.

 

[lift4lyfe]

any reason for including the NPP? I've seen both sides of the argument: Deca/NPP is good to include on cutting cycles for joint health, but Deca/NPP can cause unexpected reactions related to E2 and prolactin.

 

[Fattyone]

Any steroid will aid in retaining muscle. If it’s a modest cut and you’re not about to step on stage.. technically TRT levels would be plenty to starve off catabolism. But where’s the fun in that.

Pick drugs that align with your goals.

Only thing you care about is muscle retention? Use anything.

When you’re lean enough you can use certain drugs to enhance the look, but it’s just the drug. What ever they change while on, will disappear while off.

Drugs won’t create the deficit. Your fork and treadmill will.


I believe @Mac11wildcat has threatened to contest prep using deca and Dbol just to show there are no “cutting drugs”, just drugs, and while some may have a temporary visual appearance, at the end of the day the only thing you’re left with is what you’ve got without the drugs.

 

[lift4lyfe]

Pick drugs that align with your goals.

NPP/Deca align with what goals?

 

[Fattyone]

NPP/Deca align with what goals?

Depends on the individual. There is nothing that says you MUST include this drug for THIS response. It’s all individual.

Some may get great joint relief (I don’t) and decide, hey, I’m about to push it hard and heavy for 20 weeks. This would not only be great to increase the total androgens, but help keep me feeling a little better.

Some may love the feel they get, and we all know placebo can be a great tool.

Some may get bad sides from it (me) and decide it doesn’t fit my goal of growing and not sewersiding myself.

 

[lift4lyfe]

Some may get bad sides from it (me) and decide it doesn’t fit my goal of growing and not sewersiding myself.

Appreciate the advice. What side effects do you get from NPP/Deca and at what dose does it start? Considering adding it myself for the first time, so will keep an eye out for sides.

 

[Fattyone]

Appreciate the advice. What side effects do you get from NPP/Deca and at what dose does it start? Considering adding it myself for the first time, so will keep an eye out for sides.

Depression and anxiety. Doesn’t seem to be dose dependent, but I haven’t played with that too much. Really liked the drug other than that but I doubt I’ll be using it in the future.

 

[musclesiege]

Appreciate the advice. What side effects do you get from NPP/Deca and at what dose does it start? Considering adding it myself for the first time, so will keep an eye out for sides.

It’s varies greatly person to person. I had no mental sides, some bloating, but for me to really “feel it” or get gains from it I have to run it at higher dosage. Unless you need joint relief no reason to take it on a cut you just need to be in an anabolic state to retain muscle which you can get on just test or pretty much any steroid. In this cycle IMO it’s a waste.

 

[4Drago]

Both test p 100mg, mast p 100mg and npp 100mg worked great. Test p 50mg mast p 100mg and 20mg tren a ed also worked great. Was also using aromasin at 12.5 eod. No sides. Guess I'll start with test p, mast p, npp for the first half then switch to test p, mast p, and 20mg tren a at the end. Blood pressure was great (130/80) and the mast felt awesome. Dropped down to trt dose of test and now blood pressure is up 145/95. Per my doc I had to double my blood pressure meds and bp is still a little high. So I think mast p water reduction was a plus all around.

 

[lift4lyfe]

Both test p 100mg, mast p 100mg and npp 100mg worked great. Test p 50mg mast p 100mg and 20mg tren a ed also worked great. Was also using aromasin at 12.5 eod. No sides. Guess I'll start with test p, mast p, npp for the first half then switch to test p, mast p, and 20mg tren a at the end. Blood pressure was great (130/80) and the mast felt awesome. Dropped down to trt dose of test and now blood pressure is up 145/95. Per my doc I had to double my blood pressure meds and bp is still a little high. So I think mast p water reduction was a plus all around.

do you need the NPP for first half if cutting with goal of only maintaining mass?

have you tried cutting with lower test dose so you can drop the AI and maybe the BP meds?

 

[lift4lyfe]

It’s varies greatly person to person. I had no mental sides, some bloating, but for me to really “feel it” or get gains from it I have to run it at higher dosage. Unless you need joint relief no reason to take it on a cut you just need to be in an anabolic state to retain muscle which you can get on just test or pretty much any steroid. In this cycle IMO it’s a waste.

how about using deca/NPP to protect the hair? I've never heard anyone say NPP helps prevent hair loss on cycle, but I found this on wikipedia: "Unlike the case of testosterone and DHT, 5α-DHN is a much weaker agonist of the androgen receptor (AR) than is nandrolone. For this reason, instead of local potentiation in androgenic tissues, there is a local inactivation when nandrolone is converted into 5α-DHN by 5α-reductase in these tissues."

5α-Dihydronandrolone - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[4Drago]

how about using deca/NPP to protect the hair? I've never heard anyone say NPP helps prevent hair loss on cycle, but I found this on wikipedia: "Unlike the case of testosterone and DHT, 5α-DHN is a much weaker agonist of the androgen receptor (AR) than is nandrolone. For this reason, instead of local potentiation in androgenic tissues, there is a local inactivation when nandrolone is converted into 5α-DHN by 5α-reductase in these tissues."

5α-Dihydronandrolone - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm not worried about losing any hair. Already been there done that. I have no problems with npp no sides with the combo I used.

 

[4Drago]

do you need the NPP for first half if cutting with goal of only maintaining mass?

have you tried cutting with lower test dose so you can drop the AI and maybe the BP meds?

I can't drop blood pressure meds. I already naturally (hereditary) have higher blood pressure. Even on cycle it stays 130/80, which for me is good. Thats why it seems the mast p is helping control my bp by reducing water retention.
Right now while on trt bp has increases so doc has increased my dose.
Like I stated I've never really dropped below around 12% bf. This will be a first true cut and I'm not wanting to take chances on losing mass. It took me long enough to get over 250lbs at 5'9". If I drop to single digit bf I better be crazy ripped and no less then 225lbs.
I've done lower test...test p 50mg, mast p 100mg, tren a 20mg Ed injections. Zero sides
With this combo and dosages I won't need an AI. Just don't want to take Tren a longer then 6 weeks max.

 

[lift4lyfe]

I can't drop blood pressure meds. I already naturally (hereditary) have higher blood pressure. Even on cycle it stays 130/80, which for me is good. Thats why it seems the mast p is helping control my bp by reducing water retention.
Right now while on trt bp has increases so doc has increased my dose.
Like I stated I've never really dropped below around 12% bf. This will be a first true cut and I'm not wanting to take chances on losing mass. It took me long enough to get over 250lbs at 5'9". If I drop to single digit bf I better be crazy ripped and no less then 225lbs.
I've done lower test...test p 50mg, mast p 100mg, tren a 20mg Ed injections. Zero sides
With this combo and dosages I won't need an AI. Just don't want to take Tren a longer then 6 weeks max.

Good luck with the cut! I've never seen single digit BF (yet) but hoping to get there one day.

 

[musclesiege]

how about using deca/NPP to protect the hair? I've never heard anyone say NPP helps prevent hair loss on cycle, but I found this on wikipedia: "Unlike the case of testosterone and DHT, 5α-DHN is a much weaker agonist of the androgen receptor (AR) than is nandrolone. For this reason, instead of local potentiation in androgenic tissues, there is a local inactivation when nandrolone is converted into 5α-DHN by 5α-reductase in these tissues."

5α-Dihydronandrolone - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You could but for that take finisteride which made to keep your hair either topically or orally. Deca is not meant to keep hair it’s just easier on it.

 

[lift4lyfe]

You could but for that take finisteride which made to keep your hair either topically or orally. Deca is not meant to keep hair it’s just easier on it.

True, but you can't run deca/npp while using finasteride. It's either one or the other. I've been seeing talk of people running very, very low dose test with deca/npp as a hair friendly cycle. Otherwise, you can run higher dose test with finasteride, but can't include deca/npp due to its interaction with finasteride.

 

[musclesiege]

True, but you can't run deca/npp while using finasteride. It's either one or the other. I've been seeing talk of people running very, very low dose test with deca/npp as a hair friendly cycle. Otherwise, you can run higher dose test with finasteride, but can't include deca/npp due to its interaction with finasteride.

That was my point. If worried about hair run finasteride not deca.

 

[timfino]

Can never go wrong with Test/Tren A/ Mast for a cut- maybe throw in some primo after the 6 weeks of Tren?
Keep us updated, brother!

 

[4Drago]

Have cut from 253lbs to 240lbs. Taking it nice and slow. Feels like I'm also adding mass.