Cycle Check: Test/Deca/Proviron + Dbol Kickstart

[Matty_G]

What’s up brothers,

I’m planning to start a bulk cycle in November and will most likely keep a full log once I get going. For now, I just wanted some input on the cycle I’ve been putting together.


Current protocol:

250mg Test C per week (split twice weekly)

Proposed 12-week cycle:

300mg Deca per week
200mg Test C per week
25mg Proviron daily
25mg Dbol daily (weeks 1–4)


My mindset with PEDs has always been low and slow. I’d rather let training, rest, and nutrition do the heavy lifting while gradually seeing how my body responds to different compounds. My goal here is to add quality muscle while keeping the cycle manageable and avoiding unnecessary sides.

Would love to hear your thoughts, critiques, or adjustments you’d make.

33 y/o M, 5’8”, 198-200lbs, BF 20%?
2940 calories daily. 300c/300p/60f
PPLPPL
Cardio 30min 3-5x week

 

[Matty_G]

Current physique since I have no accuracy on the body fat %

 

[IronLinus]

Whats up, your proposed cycle so far is ok. I would personally adjust the deca to Test ratio.

If you insist on running 300mg deca, i would bump up the Test to 400mg or 450mg even, because of nandrolones binding affinity to the androgen receptor.

Nandrolone is binding 1.5x stronger to the receptor than Testosterone. So a ratio of 1.5:1 test:deca is optimal.

Your Dbol is dosage is perfect imo. You def will feel the effects and encouter min. Sides. (Ran the same dosage)

Proviron or masteron is always a nice add on to a deca cycle, because of the added DHT in your system. Nandrolon does lower your DHT because of its metabolite DHN, thus lowering your libido, mood, energy, your Willy says goodbye and so on. DHT, DHN will be battle for the place at your receptor, so in my experience, i always kept my DHT high, when running deca or npp (not so much NPP but on deca for sure).

I would bump up your cycle length to 15 weeks even 20 weeks for the sake of it because, for deca to fully kick in and you fully get all of its effects 8 weeks have passed already and your cycle is almost over.

BF 20%?

And bro, you are definitly not at 20% lmao. You are probably at like 12-14% BF(judging from your pic of course), but again I am also just guessing here.

Anyway, hope your found this helpful . I am open for any sort of correction if I Made some Mistakes in my comment

 

[Palifter]

I think you’d get more out of just running a larger dose of test for 16 weeks minimum. Your current proposed cycle is just a bunch of little things that don’t add up to much imo.

Less variables and easy to control any sides that could arise (unlikely if running 400-500mg test per week).

 

[Matty_G]

Whats up, your proposed cycle so far is ok. I would personally adjust the deca to Test ratio.

If you insist on running 300mg deca, i would bump up the Test to 400mg or 450mg even, because of nandrolones binding affinity to the androgen receptor.

Nandrolone is binding 1.5x stronger to the receptor than Testosterone. So a ratio of 1.5:1 test:deca is optimal.

Your Dbol is dosage is perfect imo. You def will feel the effects and encouter min. Sides. (Ran the same dosage)

Proviron or masteron is always a nice add on to a deca cycle, because of the added DHT in your system. Nandrolon does lower your DHT because of its metabolite DHN, thus lowering your libido, mood, energy, your Willy says goodbye and so on. DHT, DHN will be battle for the place at your receptor, so in my experience, i always kept my DHT high, when running deca or npp (not so much NPP but on deca for sure).

I would bump up your cycle length to 15 weeks even 20 weeks for the sake of it because, for deca to fully kick in and you fully get all of its effects 8 weeks have passed already and your cycle is almost over.


And bro, you are definitly not at 20% lmao. You are probably at like 12-14% BF(judging from your pic of course), but again I am also just guessing here.

Anyway, hope your found this helpful . I am open for any sort of correction if I Made some Mistakes in my comment

Thanks for the insight bro!

I did read that 2:1 test:deca helps avoid the sides (deca dick). I was hoping that the proviron would help mitigate those sides and allow deca to really shine. My goal was to try and keep this cycle under 500mg of oil per week which is why I chose those doses and didn’t want the deca to be just low enough to help lubricate my joints.

Also I initially chose 12 weeks because the thought was that it would take deca some time to clear due to its long ester.

Haha I’m terrible at body fat interpretation. Google images are not always consistent. Maybe I have slight dysmorphia also lol.

 

[Matty_G]

I think you’d get more out of just running a larger dose of test for 16 weeks minimum. Your current proposed cycle is just a bunch of little things that don’t add up to much imo.

Less variables and easy to control any sides that could arise (unlikely if running 400-500mg test per week).

I know I might be a bit inpatient with wanting to add another compound.

Would you say that running test 400mg and deca 100mg weekly is a better idea? I know that the deca add this dose would be more for my joints which I also wanted to benefit from as I will be increasing load during the winter. My knees feel it already under heavy load.

What do you think about dbol as a kickstart with 400 of test? At 250mg/wk tc my highest e2 was at 76 but able to get it down to 40 with anastrozole 0.5mg twice a week.

 

[Rival]

Have you ran Deca before? Nothing wrong with running lower dosages. I’ve gotten solid results from 300test/150NPP, 200test/100NPP. Never really needed proviron or mast at those doses

Planning on PCTing or going right back to your TRT dose?

 

[RockyP]

I know I might be a bit inpatient with wanting to add another compound.

Would you say that running test 400mg and deca 100mg weekly is a better idea? I know that the deca add this dose would be more for my joints which I also wanted to benefit from as I will be increasing load during the winter. My knees feel it already under heavy load.

What do you think about dbol as a kickstart with 400 of test? At 250mg/wk tc my highest e2 was at 76 but able to get it down to 40 with anastrozole 0.5mg twice a week.

Do you have on hand / have you previously run primo or EQ? I think with test 400 and dbol you'll need some E2 control. AI's are fine, but EQ / Primo can do that with some extra anabolism. That being said, if you start the DBol week 1, neither the Primo nor EQ would be at high enough levels to combat the E2 effects from DBol (they would help with when the test levels hit steady state).

I have run low dose nandrolone many times and unless you are a hyper responder, the anabolism from 100 mg will be minimal (helps with joints, but you're looking to bulk so I vote for the least number of compounds while hitting all the goals). So I'd suggest something like Test 400 / EQ or Primo 200 to 300, with a DBol kickstart.

 

[sionnach]

Yeah I don't think you need the prov daily either, or nand that high.

 

[Matty_G]

Have you ran Deca before? Nothing wrong with running lower dosages. I’ve gotten solid results from 300test/150NPP, 200test/100NPP. Never really needed proviron or mast at those doses

Planning on PCTing or going right back to your TRT dose?

Never ran it before would be the first time. I would go back to trt doses afterwards!

 

[Rival]

Never ran it before would be the first time. I would go back to trt doses afterwards!

I’d recommend NPP for your first go with 19-nor‘s if you plan on running a higher dose, to see how you respond to it. Running it low dose won’t really matter or at least didn’t for me. No sides under 150mg/week of either derivative

 

[RockyP]

I’d recommend NPP for your first go with 19-nor‘s if you plan on running a higher dose, to see how you respond to it. Running it low dose won’t really matter or at least didn’t for me. No sides under 150mg/week of either derivative

I enjoy NPP at 150 mg per week, and I agree, no sides. I get nice fullness and strength. Never felt the need to push it higher.

 

[Matty_G]

Do you have on hand / have you previously run primo or EQ? I think with test 400 and dbol you'll need some E2 control. AI's are fine, but EQ / Primo can do that with some extra anabolism. That being said, if you start the DBol week 1, neither the Primo nor EQ would be at high enough levels to combat the E2 effects from DBol (they would help with when the test levels hit steady state).

I have run low dose nandrolone many times and unless you are a hyper responder, the anabolism from 100 mg will be minimal (helps with joints, but you're looking to bulk so I vote for the least number of compounds while hitting all the goals). So I'd suggest something like Test 400 / EQ or Primo 200 to 300, with a DBol kickstart.

I have 2 vials of primo 200mg/ml and 1 vial of eq 300mg/ml. 400 test and 200 of eq doesn't sound bad. Thanks bro

 

[Matty_G]

I’d recommend NPP for your first go with 19-nor‘s if you plan on running a higher dose, to see how you respond to it. Running it low dose won’t really matter or at least didn’t for me. No sides under 150mg/week of either derivative

I have NPP as well on hand. Just not familiar with shorter esters. Just got it more as an impulsive buy to stock up. Would I need it be better to run test p with NPP and do EOD injections?

 

[RockyP]

I have NPP as well on hand. Just not familiar with shorter esters. Just got it more as an impulsive buy to stock up. Would I need it be better to run test p with NPP and do EOD injections?

There’s a lot of folks who advocate for daily shots on everything irrespective of ester. Im not one of those folks. It may be “ideal” but you’ll find many many many bros do enanthate / cyp twice weekly and prop EOD with no issues. Notable exception is Tren acetate. Thats daily for sure. If it were me I’d run test (any ester) with NPP EOD. If your test was cyp or enanthate you might even be able to swing MWF only. But with prop i’d stick to EOD.

 

[Matty_G]

There’s a lot of folks who advocate for daily shots on everything irrespective of ester. Im not one of those folks. It may be “ideal” but you’ll find many many many bros do enanthate / cyp twice weekly and prop EOD with no issues. Notable exception is Tren acetate. Thats daily for sure. If it were me I’d run test (any ester) with NPP EOD. If your test was cyp or enanthate you might even be able to swing MWF only. But with prop i’d stick to EOD.

Thanks bro I really appreciate your help. I think I’m going to stick with your recommendation of test and eq and kickstart it with dbol for the first 4 weeks.

 

[RockyP]

Thanks bro I really appreciate your help. I think I’m going to stick with your recommendation of test and eq and kickstart it with dbol for the first 4 weeks.

I’d make sure to get baseline labs and after 6 weeks. Keep an eye on the hct. These are low dosages but some people are sensitive to the rbc stimulation. Also watch the BP on dbol

 

[Matty_G]

I’d make sure to get baseline labs and after 6 weeks. Keep an eye on the hct. These are low dosages but some people are sensitive to the rbc stimulation.

Oh yeah for sure. My hct is 50 on my current protocol.

 

[VidMc]

I would prefer Anavar over dbol+proviron. Starting with 50mg as a kickstart and later on just 20mg for dht feeling.

Iam kinda sensitive to E2 so Test+Deca+Dbol scares the shit out of me. Hope youve got some pharma on hand.

 

[Matty_G]

I would prefer Anavar over dbol+proviron. Starting with 50mg as a kickstart and later on just 20mg for dht feeling.

Iam kinda sensitive to E2 so Test+Deca+Dbol scares the shit out of me. Hope youve got some pharma on hand.

Haha this was an old post brotha. Went in a completely different direction.

Have a log here if your interested:

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