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Cycle critique please

Beefy

Beefy

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I know this is not really a contibution to the board, but I need help. This should be easy for some of you pros, but I'm not sure about adding EQ or not.
Wk 1...1000mg test, 600mg deca
Wks 2-14...400mg deca
Wks 10-15..add 400mg EQ
Wks 1-6...40mg Dbol ed
Run test @750mg/week wks 2-16

Will the EQ help me adjust to the extra weight gained & keep more mass post cycle or just be a waste of money? Thanks.
 
Well before I really can help with this I need to know your goals???
Plus give us some history and stats and I am sure the boys on meso and myself could help ;) Thats what the board is all about, to help a fellow brotha in iron out.
 
no previous cycle's...I've been researching for about 4 months, but I've still got alot to learn. I'm 6'1, 235 @ about 15% bodyfat; 22 yrs old. I've been lifting seriously since 14. I gain strenth quickly...max bench 420 @ 17 years old. I've hit a wall. The past two years I haven't gotten any real noticable results. Tried sups, diet/training/rest routine changes. Basically, I think I'm pretty close to my limits except for fatloss/definition & symetry. I'd like to gain 20 lbs. of quality muscle that I can keep after the cycle's over.
 
Well how bout: (JUST AN IDEA, MANY WILL HAVE DIFF IDEA'S)

BULK
D-BOL @ 40MG ED 1-6
TEST @ 750MG WK 1-12
DECA @ 400MG WK 1-12

CUT/HARDNER
TEST PROP @ 100MG ED 13-20
TREN ACE @ 100MG EOD 13-18 or NPP @ 100MG EOD (YOUR CHOICE)
WINNY @ 50MG ED 13-20

PCT will start week 21-23

I would suggest kick starting your PCT with 300mg of CLOMID first PCT day and then followed by 100mg of CLOMID for 2 weeks and then drop down to 50mg of CLOMID for the last week of PCT.

Again this was just an idea, hope you like and good luck on whatever you decide. Make sure to get the proper nutrition and rest as well, happy growing :D
 
Oh yea, make sure to have NOLVA on hand as well. Never start a cycle without it, always better safe than sorry. Unless you want a nice pair of Tits lol ;)
 
With what you have posted there, you are wasting your money on the EQ for a couple of reasons. The forst and foremost is that you're only running it for 5 weeks. It's just going to be kicking in around then or even week 6.
 
Bigkarch said:
At your age and history, I say a test only cycle...then you can do more as you progress.. Do 400 mg EW maybe 500 since you are a tad bigger, and no more....If you have hit a plateau, you may need to change up your training and diet....before you start a cycle, check or even post in the training and nutrition section.....I bet with just those two adjustments, you can gain 10 lbs naturally easily....
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You have some nice size for someone natural at age 21--

I agree with bigkarch-- You will see some nice changes with a test only cycle(500mg for 12 weeks) You could add either deca 400mg week or dbol 40mg week, but I wouldnt go overboard on my first cycle--There is plenty of time later on for that :D

I wouldnt do as test-one said, 23 weeks is a long cycle for someone that has never used anything(no offense testy1)

good luck and have fun--
 
Beefy said:
I know this is not really a contibution to the board, but I need help. This should be easy for some of you pros, but I'm not sure about adding EQ or not.
Wk 1...1000mg test, 600mg deca
Wks 2-14...400mg deca
Wks 10-15..add 400mg EQ
Wks 1-6...40mg Dbol ed
Run test @750mg/week wks 2-16

Will the EQ help me adjust to the extra weight gained & keep more mass post cycle or just be a waste of money? Thanks.
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500 test E weekly will definitely give you results like most have said, the real beauty is since this is your first cycle, you can see how your body responds to it before adding other compounds. Please, please, please...heed their advice. If I were in your position that's what I would do.
 
No offense taken silverback, I guess I am just use to the longer cycles. I have done lots and lots of research and found that when taken longer cycles that it is easier to keep the gains. But I see your point with BEEFY, he has never taken a cycle before and the cycle I gave would be given to someone who has a few good cycles under their belt.

Beefy, disregard the cycle idea I gave. I remember my first cycle, I took 250mg of sus250 a week for 8 weeks, I put on 12lbs in 3 days, but most was just water. I think I put on close to 30 lbs my first cycle and kept close to 15 lbs. I didnt do anther cycle until 8 weeks later and still mainted that 15lbs, the next cycle I took: Tornel T-200@ 500mg a wk for 8 weeks and 40 mgs of thai d-bol for 6 weeks. I put on bout 15 lbs the second time and kept maybe 7 lbs,it seemed better cause I wasnt as puffed out as the first time with as much water and appeared harder. So yea no need to go heavy with anything your first time around.

Now that I have done many cycles, for me anyhow I see better overall results with longer cycles. The body gets use to the extra wieght and is easier to maintian, I don't like short cycles cause your always going up and down in wieght. Also eaiser for people to tell when your off and when your on.

Whatever you decide good luck and keep us posted ;)
 
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thanks for the advice. I got alot more info than I was expecting. How about this...
Week 1...Test Prop 100mg ED for a total of 700mg, Deca 600mg divided into two shots
Weeks 2-14...Test E 250mg twice a week with 200mg Deca in the same shot

That way after the first week I only have two shots a week. I still like the idea of a longer cycle to let my body adjust to the mass gains, and I think front loading is important, but I agree that I have no real need for the Dbol or the EQ. So, if I start this cycle by the first of Nov., how long should I wait to do a cutter/hardener for next spring or summer? In other words, how long does it take after ending a cycle for your body to be primed for another cycle?
 
Beefy said:
thanks for the advice. I got alot more info than I was expecting. How about this...
Week 1...Test Prop 100mg ED for a total of 700mg, Deca 600mg divided into two shots
Weeks 2-14...Test E 250mg twice a week with 200mg Deca in the same shot

That way after the first week I only have two shots a week. I still like the idea of a longer cycle to let my body adjust to the mass gains, and I think front loading is important, but I agree that I have no real need for the Dbol or the EQ. So, if I start this cycle by the first of Nov., how long should I wait to do a cutter/hardener for next spring or summer? In other words, how long does it take after ending a cycle for your body to be primed for another cycle?
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Personally I would do this--since you want to frontload-- I dont know if you are going to like taking shots for 7 days in a row=-- How about this

Week 1 Test e 1000mg deca 400mg
Week 2-14 test e 500mg deca 400mg

Wait atleast 14 weeks before you do another cycle, or try to loose any significant amount of fat--- you want your body to adjust to your weight gains you made before you diet--I made that mistake before, do do it---

Everybodys body is different, but rule of thumb is time on=time off--

GOod luck and keep us posted
 
Silverback said:
you want your body to adjust to your weight gains you made before you diet--I made that mistake before, do do it---
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I'm a little confused by what you mean. would you mind explaining a little more? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. :p
 
I believe he is saying to let your body adjust to the new weight before dieting. So if you go from 200 to 220 on a cycle. Let your body get adjusted to the 220 before you try dieting too much.
As for the poster, just frontload with the Test E. No need for the prop. Have your nolva on hand. Than april/may you will be ready for a cutter. Your diet and training will be the biggest factor on what type of gains u make. 20 lbs should be no problem. Quality of the 20 lbs will be up to you
wiredup said:
I'm a little confused by what you mean. would you mind explaining a little more? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. :p
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thick said:
I believe he is saying to let your body adjust to the new weight before dieting. So if you go from 200 to 220 on a cycle. Let your body get adjusted to the 220 before you try dieting too much.
As for the poster, just frontload with the Test E. No need for the prop. Have your nolva on hand. Than april/may you will be ready for a cutter. Your diet and training will be the biggest factor on what type of gains u make. 20 lbs should be no problem. Quality of the 20 lbs will be up to you
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Exactly-- thanks for saving me the typing
 
thick said:
I believe he is saying to let your body adjust to the new weight before dieting. So if you go from 200 to 220 on a cycle. Let your body get adjusted to the 220 before you try dieting too much.
As for the poster, just frontload with the Test E. No need for the prop. Have your nolva on hand. Than april/may you will be ready for a cutter. Your diet and training will be the biggest factor on what type of gains u make. 20 lbs should be no problem. Quality of the 20 lbs will be up to you
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cool. got it, thanks.
 
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