Cycle opinion

[brandonb2499]

Hi guys, I’m just looking for opinions or advice on this cycle looking to run for about 20 weeks, dosages would be split into 2 pins
Test E @ 600mg a week
Deca @ 450mg a week
EQ @ 450mg a week
Was debating on adding in dbol for first 5/6 weeks @ 30mg a day
Any advice would be greatly appreciated

 

[laclark89]

Skip the dbol. The compounds look good no idea on dose with more background info.

 

[DugPrime]

I'd skip the Deca, it's one of the most toxic compound, that yield similar gains to one of the safest compound, aka Primo.

 

[PaintDrinker]

1500mg cycle with orals. How big are you? Do you have a pic your willing to share?

Also if your dead set on that cycle start at half the dose and increase food before you increase the drugs. It will work better and you can stay on longer.

But test/deca/dbol in my opinion is a hypertensive crisis waiting to happen. Why not run test/EQ 1:1 and push that to 1500? A lot less e2/prolactin management. Just my 2cents

 

[Astartes]

I'd skip the Deca, it's one of the most toxic compound, that yield similar gains to one of the safest compound, aka Primo.

This is incorrect.

OP. I agree with @PaintDrinker on his premise. I do this exact stack (minus orals) It is my mainstay at 48 years old. Not for all. But it is a great stack, if you handle it well.

As he said; How many cycles under your belt? Years lifting? Diet? Height? BF? Weight? For many your cycle is tremendous overkill.

 

[DugPrime]

This is incorrect. This fallacy needs to die

Then fallacy should blast Deca

 

[Astartes]

Then fallacy should blast Deca

Been doing it 25 years boy

 

[DugPrime]

Been doing it 25 years boy

Oh yeah, I’m not doubting that, but that doesn’t mean your body is somehow immune to the damage. It's still taking on cardiotoxicity, cardiac remodeling, nephrotoxicity, hepatotoxicity, neurotoxicity, and even speeding up the road to Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s with all that amyloid buildup. Cells are dying off by apoptosis in critical areas like cortical neurons.

Sure, millions have abused meth or coke for decades, but it doesn't mean it's a smart move. Your body’s resilience doesn’t change the fact that you’re essentially fast-tracking the damage. Surviving doesn’t mean thriving.

And I can assure you that whatever body you get from abusing Deca is totally achievable with Primo or Test.

 

[Astartes]

Please just research more. I appreciate that you are starting where many of us were.

You will find many of your points above are poorly studied and heavily flawed. I wish like many others I had the energy to dig up crap I already know to support my case.

I just don’t have that drive to win arguments anymore. Hopefully you dig a lot and begin to understand how much the demonizing of Tren/Deca and just about every PED is so skewed …. it’s laughable.

That said, for some I would agree. Side effects are (like all PEDs) prohibitive. To label it any more toxic than many other compounds simply isn’t true (dose dependent)

Many compounds that are considered safer are also less effective and therefore require higher doses to achieve similar results, bypassing the benefits of being less toxic mg/mg.

This falls along the lines of liver toxicity of orals. (As an example)

So much bad information and misunderstood information out there. Couple that with individual compatibility being heavily spread/divergent genetically, and it’s understandable as to why it feels at times like crossing a swamp without a compass.

 

[DugPrime]

Please just research more

Everything I've mentioned is backed by scientific studies. If you want, I can link you the research papers directly, showing that these effects are well-documented. Where else do you want me to do my research?

Many compounds that are considered safer are also less effective and therefore require higher doses to achieve similar results, bypassing the benefits of being less toxic mg/mg.

Are you saying that 500mg of Deca is both safer and more effective than 1000mg of Primobolan?

 

[Astartes]

Ok

 

[laclark89]

Oh yeah, I’m not doubting that, but that doesn’t mean your body is somehow immune to the damage. It's still taking on cardiotoxicity, cardiac remodeling, nephrotoxicity, hepatotoxicity, neurotoxicity, and even speeding up the road to Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s with all that amyloid buildup. Cells are dying off by apoptosis in critical areas like cortical neurons.

Sure, millions have abused meth or coke for decades, but it doesn't mean it's a smart move. Your body’s resilience doesn’t change the fact that you’re essentially fast-tracking the damage. Surviving doesn’t mean thriving.

And I can assure you that whatever body you get from abusing Deca is totally achievable with Primo or Test.

This is the shit that irks me, decca is probably the second most studied ass after test. Who the f are u to say all these other compounds that we know nothing about what they do to the body in the long term are not way worse than decca?

And who is saying that Eq a horse steroid probably never used in humans at least in a longer term study is safer than decca? Lmao
The ignorance.

 

[DugPrime]

This is the shit that irks me, decca is probably the second most studied ass after test. Who the f are u to say all these other compounds that we know nothing about what they do to the body in the long term are not way worse than decca?

And who is saying that Eq a horse steroid probably never used in humans at least in a longer term study is safer than decca? Lmao
The ignorance.

I've mentioned both Primo and Test, which are approved for human use, and Primo is even approved for children. So, why bringing up EQ? You're the one trying to downplay the well-documented risks of your favorite steroid to feel reassured. Who's the real ignorant one here, denying the actual facts?

 

[PermaBlastingTren]

Hi guys, I’m just looking for opinions or advice on this cycle looking to run for about 20 weeks, dosages would be split into 2 pins
Test E @ 600mg a week
Deca @ 450mg a week
EQ @ 450mg a week
Was debating on adding in dbol for first 5/6 weeks @ 30mg a day
Any advice would be greatly appreciated

Love it. I prefer eq and deca higher than test but that’s just me. Would also run the dbol higher imo. But with that all being said, keep my name as a consideration when listening to anything I say.

 

[Flyfisher23]

This is the shit that irks me, decca is probably the second most studied ass after test. Who the f are u to say all these other compounds that we know nothing about what they do to the body in the long term are not way worse than decca?

And who is saying that Eq a horse steroid probably never used in humans at least in a longer term study is safer than decca? Lmao
The ignorance.

EQ actually was originally approved for human use though and used clinically under the name Parenabol

 

[PermaBlastingTren]

I always find it funny when people say horse steroid, livestock drug, blah BLAH BLAH BLAH. If you knew a lick of anything you would know that these were originaly for human uses. BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

[laclark89]

I've mentioned both Primo and Test, which are approved for human use, and Primo is even approved for children. So, why bringing up EQ? You're the one trying to downplay the well-documented risks of your favorite steroid to feel reassured. Who's the real ignorant one here, denying the actual facts?

Did I say it was my favorite? Or u pulled that out of ur rear?

 

[laclark89]

Yea for how long a few years? and what do we know about what it does to humans long term

EQ actually was originally approved for human use though and used clinically under the name Paren

 

[laclark89]

I always find it funny when people say horse steroid, livestock drug, blah BLAH BLAH BLAH. If you knew a lick of anything you would know that these were originaly for human uses. BLAH BLAH BLAH

How about tren smart guy?

 

[DugPrime]

EQ actually was originally approved for human use though and used clinically under the name Parenabol

And why it isn't anymore?