Daily or EOD test Cyp injections?????

[foreveryoung]

I never try to sway anyone to follow my example, I always am careful to say that this is working for me and that everyone is individual and might find completely different solutions.

and that study on brain function and trenbolone is disturbing on first read, I see it mentions something about testosterone being neuroprotective and trenbolone interfering with that... any theories of what is going on with that? I think I will stop with the tren now and see if I can get good results with just testosterone and perhaps proviron and masteron, I really want to optimize my brain function, not the opposite (and I don't recall any study that Dr. Scally showed me, was it the same one you just posted?)

I have been on tren for most of the last 2 years straight (and many times in years past)... I do feel like my memory is not as good as it once was, but I still scored extremely high on IQ tests so I think my reasoning and logic are still as good as ever, but I am concerned about memory and learning ability, I feel like I have lost a step for sure, might have nothing to do with the tren but now that you showed that I am concerned..... I am one that has experimented with smart drugs and for sure don't want to be experimenting with "dumb" drugs.

unfortunately I am a bit worried because at times that I have tried to take tren out of my protocol in the past I suffered a dramatic loss of libido, so always ended up going back with it... will see what happens this time, I'm going to stay with a steady dose of proviron and drop the masteron too for now, and see if things are ok, so starting now I will do a daily dose of test cyp equiv. to 175mg per week, and 25mg of proviron every day (possibly 50, will see)

hopefully I don't report back in a week saying that my libido is in the tank

 

[Docd187123]

I never try to sway anyone to follow my example, I always am careful to say that this is working for me and that everyone is individual and might find completely different solutions.

and that study on brain function and trenbolone is disturbing on first read, I see it mentions something about testosterone being neuroprotective and trenbolone interfering with that... any theories of what is going on with that? I think I will stop with the tren now and see if I can get good results with just testosterone and perhaps proviron and masteron, I really want to optimize my brain function, not the opposite (and I don't recall any study that Dr. Scally showed me, was it the same one you just posted?)

I have been on tren for most of the last 2 years straight (and many times in years past)... I do feel like my memory is not as good as it once was, but I still scored extremely high on IQ tests so I think my reasoning and logic are still as good as ever, but I am concerned about memory and learning ability, I feel like I have lost a step for sure, might have nothing to do with the tren but now that you showed that I am concerned..... I am one that has experimented with smart drugs and for sure don't want to be experimenting with "dumb" drugs.

unfortunately I am a bit worried because at times that I have tried to take tren out of my protocol in the past I suffered a dramatic loss of libido, so always ended up going back with it... will see what happens this time, I'm going to stay with a steady dose of proviron and drop the masteron too for now, and see if things are ok, so starting now I will do a daily dose of test cyp equiv. to 175mg per week, and 25mg of proviron every day (possibly 50, will see)

hopefully I don't report back in a week saying that my libido is in the tank

Thank you for this response. I sincerely wish for the best regardless of what you do but I felt I had to say something. Keeping my mouth shut would only leave me with a dirty conscience.

I also am not trying to tell you what to run in your personal life, you are an adult and free to make your own decisions. I only felt it necessary to point out discrepancies as I saw them. I realize I come off abrasive most of the time but my intentions weren't to be a dick to you.

You've maintained your composure regardless of how my intonation came across and for that I respect you.

 

[foreveryoung]

I mentioned before, I truly am in this for my health, I want to live to be 100... I need to, my wife is half my age and I don't want to leave her alone someday. When I went natural some years back I felt my health deteriorating, and my life was in a low performance state where I was just going through the motions and aging by the day. Getting back on changed that around drastically and I have always been on a quest to find the best and healthiest way to achieve this goal of optimum health and performance. I added low dose tren to the mix because I found it enabled me to run testosterone very low and still achieve those goals, and I felt apparently healthy.. like I mentioned before, I never get sick even when everyone around me does, and I achieve a lot in life now and keep up with a girl half my age.... this life I am living now would not have happened if I hadn't found my hrt protocol and tweaked with it to get to this stage.... but I absolutely can't end up with dementia or anything like that, without your brain you have nothing

I will post back in a week and say how I'm doing, I had added in small percentage of tren enth to my acetate for a couple months so it will take a couple weeks to truly be off the tren completely

 

[xy5jn0]

I mentioned before, I truly am in this for my health, I want to live to be 100... I need to, my wife is half my age and I don't want to leave her alone someday. When I went natural some years back I felt my health deteriorating, and my life was in a low performance state where I was just going through the motions and aging by the day. Getting back on changed that around drastically and I have always been on a quest to find the best and healthiest way to achieve this goal of optimum health and performance. I added low dose tren to the mix because I found it enabled me to run testosterone very low and still achieve those goals, and I felt apparently healthy.. like I mentioned before, I never get sick even when everyone around me does, and I achieve a lot in life now and keep up with a girl half my age.... this life I am living now would not have happened if I hadn't found my hrt protocol and tweaked with it to get to this stage.... but I absolutely can't end up with dementia or anything like that, without your brain you have nothing

I will post back in a week and say how I'm doing, I had added in small percentage of tren enth to my acetate for a couple months so it will take a couple weeks to truly be off the tren completely

Interesting thread. You've gotten some solid feedback to work with. Please do report back. Hope all goes well.

 

[Docd187123]

I mentioned before, I truly am in this for my health, I want to live to be 100... I need to, my wife is half my age and I don't want to leave her alone someday. When I went natural some years back I felt my health deteriorating, and my life was in a low performance state where I was just going through the motions and aging by the day. Getting back on changed that around drastically and I have always been on a quest to find the best and healthiest way to achieve this goal of optimum health and performance. I added low dose tren to the mix because I found it enabled me to run testosterone very low and still achieve those goals, and I felt apparently healthy.. like I mentioned before, I never get sick even when everyone around me does, and I achieve a lot in life now and keep up with a girl half my age.... this life I am living now would not have happened if I hadn't found my hrt protocol and tweaked with it to get to this stage.... but I absolutely can't end up with dementia or anything like that, without your brain you have nothing

I will post back in a week and say how I'm doing, I had added in small percentage of tren enth to my acetate for a couple months so it will take a couple weeks to truly be off the tren completely

Do you run blasts at all or just your combo of test and tren in low doses?

I am interested to see you report back after discontinuing tren. I would caution you to keep an open mind once you come off of it and also to give your body time to normalize even after it's been cleared from your system. I know for myself personally, when I come off a blast back to cruising, I can feel off for a while. I believe it to be bc I get accustomed to being on the higher doses both physiologically and physiologically. It can be tough to keep going those weeks but I force myself to continue going forward. Eventually the "fog" wears off and I go back to normal. I'm not advocating what I do is the healthiest choice just that things can take time to normalize within the body.

 

[foreveryoung]

no I don't "blast", I am not in this to gain size or anything, I am in this for health and rejuvenation... even though I have been on tren and test solid for the last 2 years, I am no bigger now than when I was at my natural peak size in my early 20's

 

[Docd187123]

no I don't "blast", I am not in this to gain size or anything, I am in this for health and rejuvenation... even though I have been on tren and test solid for the last 2 years, I am no bigger now than when I was at my natural peak size in my early 20's

At the very least, maybe consider cycling on an off the tren every so often and by cycling here I mean in the protocol you're used to using, not necessarily a blast dose.

 

[Jq88]

I didn't say anything about a large syringe, I use a 1 cc syringe, 250mg/ml cypionate I measure as close as possible to get a 1/10th of a cc injection, and use either a 1 inch or 1.5 inch 25 gauge needle

But FY wouldn't am I sulin syringe be easier?

I like deep IM just like you.

And I also have a 1cc syringe that usually comes with 27g needle.

I switch the needle and use 21g to draw and then I use a 25g 1.5 inch to inject into glute as well.

I like glute or quad deep IM it's just my preference.

But insulin 1/2 inch needle into DELT or Tri is SO SIMPLE.

 

[Jq88]

This has gotten serious haha

I have to admit I'm tempted to try FY 25mg/day.

The only reason I say that is that he was once a strong proponent of 50mg e3d... Which kind of worked for me but still had its fluctuations.

Now he is advocating 25mg/daily.

So 25mg/daily must have been better than 50mg e3d.

50mg e3d was ok... But if 25mg/daily is superior then why not try?

Although something makes no sense...25mg of test Tren and mast daily you should absolutely be able to put on significant size. I'm assuming you're lifting.

Yet you say you haven't put on any size. That's a little strange. But I must admit I'm intrigued.

 

[crossfitisgay]

it looked good on steroidplot

 

[foreveryoung]

This has gotten serious haha

I have to admit I'm tempted to try FY 25mg/day.

The only reason I say that is that he was once a strong proponent of 50mg e3d... Which kind of worked for me but still had its fluctuations.

Now he is advocating 25mg/daily.

So 25mg/daily must have been better than 50mg e3d.

50mg e3d was ok... But if 25mg/daily is superior then why not try?

Although something makes no sense...25mg of test Tren and mast daily you should absolutely be able to put on significant size. I'm assuming you're lifting.

Yet you say you haven't put on any size. That's a little strange. But I must admit I'm intrigued.

I don't want to put on significant size, I am up to where I was maxed out when I was in my early 20's natural, that is where my body wants to be, forcing it past that would be unhealthy. I don't lift for size, I am getting older and prefer to not have aching joints which is what happens when you get to 50 years old and try to lift heavy weights, it is not worth it, a few years back I was pushing myself with low reps and high weight and many nights I could hardly fall asleep my shoulders were in so much pain. I gained about 10 pounds over my natural max then, but I was aching all the time, it sucked.

I want to be healthy and live long, adding body weight that will just stress my system and heart goes against that, right now I have a swimmers physique, lean and skinny muscular, not bodybuilder size muscular at all. Being on tren for years the body adjusts and doesn't just magically grow, the doses I cruise on would probably make a first cycler blow up and gain like crazy for a month, but for veterans it wouldn't even do anything.

 

[Jq88]

So FY you have no idea if you are low shbg or higher shbg?

 

[Jq88]

Forever Young,

Would you see any difference with 50mg every other day?

 

[crossfitisgay]

i use peps so would be easy to throw in .11ml ed

 

[foreveryoung]

Forever Young,

Would you see any difference with 50mg every other day?

I've tried it and it was OK, but I feel like every day is still better... i can miss a day and just stick with the same dose (I don't try to make it up with a higher dose when I miss a day due to forgetting or circumstances ), and feel fine, so I think the key to it working so well to inject every day is that my single injection dose is never large

 

[crossfitisgay]

I've tried it and it was OK, but I feel like every day is still better... i can miss a day and just stick with the same dose (I don't try to make it up with a higher dose when I miss a day due to forgetting or circumstances ), and feel fine, so I think the key to it working so well to inject every day is that my single injection dose is never large

at first I got in on this to bash your idea.. kinda like the idea now esp if I can just throw it in with my ghrp6 and cjc no dac.

 

[Jq88]

I'm giving it a whirl man.

Been going daily all week (22mg). Dropped the AI cold turkey. Definitely an adjustment period (feel Low T) but going to give it some time to settle in.

I've struggled with Trt and finding the Anastrozole sweet spot for a long time.

This is supposed to make us feel better, not worse!

 

[Jq88]

Another guy I really trust in regards to TRT does 36mg daily of enanthate.

Says it keeps his T very high range and is able to keep e2 under 40.

I've heard of many clinics using daily injections with a lot of their patients, especially low SHBG guys.

 

[crossfitisgay]

im guessing i am one of these low shgb guys then? this is on cycle of EQ 700mg and Test 500mg

Component / Standard Range / Your Value
Total Testosterone / 240-871 ng/dL / 5384
SHBG / 11-78 nmol/L / 10
Free Testosterone / 47.0-244.0 pg/mL / 2111.2

 

[Jq88]

Haha wow.

How did u feel on that?

Did u need an AI?

I wonder if it's more about the T:E ratio and less about the number.

I know guys running 500mg/wk without an AI.

Not saying that they won't run across other problems... But the fact that they don't need an AI is interesting.

As long as T is high enough... High e2 may not present a problem.

I don't know.