DATBTRUE closes its doors

This is where im at as well... unfortunately I have a feeling this will be the last of him. When it comes down to peptides in particular you really dont know what is and isn't legit without bloods, with few exceptions (i.e. melanotan). Even with bloods it'd be near impossible to tell wether or not your ipamorelin/mod grf is really ghrp-6/2 or vice versa. Its a shame this has happened but im confident there are a number of sources out there of which offer similar quality. Its just going to take some digging..
You correct to a degree. Something like GHRP6 you know when it's real: Because you are always ravenously hungry you cannot even think of food. Nothing makes me feel this way expect GHRP6.
But the other stuff, yeah you are right.
 
In the absence of stated reasons (for opposing the archiving of the info), there is going to be a LOT of speculation...
I don't buy it. Dat, tom or AV is the same guy and I believe he received some mails from the Feds and wants to save his ass before shit gets real
Members can't even order peptides from AV. DatBtrue and AV leaving at the same time tells everything. That's what every company does when they feel threatened by the Feds.

What really happened to Datbtrue / Tom's peptides / Authentiquevie ?

[DatBTrue] At the Heart of a Vast Doping Network, an Alias



Investigators believe a man in Arizona was distributing performance-enhancing drugs on a global scale, yet no charges have been filed. His clientele included pro athletes.

On Aug. 25, 2015, a Swiss postal inspector reached into the river of 300,000 parcels that pour into that nation every day and, for a routine inspection, plucked out two packages arriving from Arizona. Inspectors unwrapped them and found serried rows of bottles.

The bottles were suspected of containing performance-enhancing drugs, so they were shipped to an antidoping laboratory for testing. Chemists discovered three synthetic compounds that are illicit gold for cheating athletes. One sped the healing of tendons and ligaments. Another helped build muscle mass. A third stimulated the body to burn fat.

The Swiss authorities notified the organization in the United States that investigates sports doping, the United States Anti-Doping Agency, and shared the return-address sticker. The packages were shipped by someone named Thomas Mann.

His name drew puzzled shrugs from Usada investigators. That name had never crossed their radar, and they could not find a home listing for someone with that name in their database in Arizona or anywhere else.

The name was then stored in the organization’s computer system and largely forgotten, until it resurfaced in a different context several months later, triggering an intense pursuit of Thomas Mann and an aggressive investigation of his enterprise that involved federal law enforcement as well as antidoping officials.

The existence of the investigation and its extraordinary findings have not been previously reported.

Investigators believe what they uncovered was a trafficker who sat at the center of one of the broadest sports doping networks in American history, with tendrils that extended to Europe and Asia. In one year, he shipped parcels containing performance-enhancing drugs to more than 8,000 people, they determined. His substance of choice was peptides, a newly popular (though banned) substance among athletes that is essentially a building block for protein.

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Interesting read... "Gray area" ..... I thought he had health issues, I'm assuming that was just a rumor....?
 
Interesting read... "Gray area" ..... I thought he had health issues, I'm assuming that was just a rumor....?

Misinformation:

"The investigation of Moorcones stalled last year. The United States attorney in Phoenix had taken a hard look and given up because a federal agency — the F.D.A. or the D.E.A. — was not willing to bring a case. His distribution of peptides, they apparently decided, was not worth prosecuting. A lawyer for Moorcones demanded immunity for his client.

"Moorcones shut down his website and claimed online that he was ill. Worried customers speculated that his own drugs had sickened him. “I feel for the guy,” one customer wrote. “The community of illegal experimental medicine is losing a true hero.”

"Other clients speculated correctly that Mann was under investigation; they began to worry that their names had fallen into the hands of law enforcement. They were correct."

Source: At the Heart of a Vast Doping Network, an Alias
 
Makes a lot of fucking sense why he wanted the site to disappear along with him... That never made any sense to me. It does now.
 
Why our lawmakers care about professional athletes and their use of PEDs is beyond me. They give lame ass excuses about "examples to children" yet remain silent while our President raw dogs multiple porn stars while his wife is nursing an infant.

Fucking hypocrites they are.
 
Except for all the guys caught and outed to their leagues for ordering the peptides themselves.
This seems like one of the most fruitful areas of the collaborations between WADA/USADA/NADOs and law enforcement agencies.

Most law enforcement agencies don't bother too much with individual consumers. But now they are sharing the seized customer lists with the morality-guided anti-doping agencies.

Every time a AAS source is busted, LE seizes their customer list. You can expect them to hand it over to USADA or other NADO.

Athletes have been implicated in all of these cases:

* Michael Moorcones / datbtrue / tom's peptides / AV 8,000 member customer list obtained by LE

"Eventually investigators obtained Moorcones’s customer list of more than 8,000 names. It was a rich hunting ground. Investigators found the names of pro athletes and forwarded the information to their leagues."

* Tony Bosch / Biogenesis gave up customer list

* Richard Rodriquez / Wellness Fitness Network gave up customer list

* Josh Townshend / Clenbuterol.co.nz customer list seized

And of course, there are more...
 
This seems like one of the most fruitful areas of the collaborations between WADA/USADA/NADOs and law enforcement agencies.

Most law enforcement agencies don't bother too much with individual consumers. But now they are sharing the seized customer lists with the morality-guided anti-doping agencies.

Every time a AAS source is busted, LE seizes their customer list. You can expect them to hand it over to USADA or other NADO.

Athletes have been implicated in all of these cases:

* Michael Moorcones / datbtrue / tom's peptides / AV 8,000 member customer list obtained by LE

"Eventually investigators obtained Moorcones’s customer list of more than 8,000 names. It was a rich hunting ground. Investigators found the names of pro athletes and forwarded the information to their leagues."

* Tony Bosch / Biogenesis gave up customer list

* Richard Rodriquez / Wellness Fitness Network gave up customer list

* Josh Townshend / Clenbuterol.co.nz customer list seized

And of course, there are more...
It's amazing to me that this was all over peptides. I don't want to think what will happen when wada gets their hands on an actual steroid customer list.
@Millard Baker any insight on what they did with the average Joe on that list of 8k? Did they just target athletes or people with the most to lose?
 
It's amazing to me that this was all over peptides. I don't want to think what will happen when wada gets their hands on an actual steroid customer list.
@Millard Baker any insight on what they did with the average Joe on that list of 8k? Did they just target athletes or people with the most to lose?
Anti-doping organizations are investing a lot of financial/personnel resources to "intelligence-gathering". This is one of their primary focuses going forward. Drug testing isn't very effective. So they hope "intelligence" will make a difference.

If an elite athlete has their name on the customer list of a steroid source that is busted, I think they should assume their name will be on WADA/USADA/UKAD/NADOs radar. And they will be investigated.

UKAD recently even tried to force a dietary supplement company (Dragon Nutrition) to turn over their customer database to see if any competitive athletes had purchased prohormones! UKAD did not succeed.

I don't think they care about average Joe athlete who doesn't compete (although maybe they will maintain a database in case that average Joe ever competes at a local sanctioned 5k race any time in the future).
 
Yeah that makes me angry to have a good thing shut down. I guess that means I can't be a pro athlete.... hahaha
 
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