DBlock50, I wanted to ask you something

[MANWHORE]

I have a few questions that were not clear in your post, but it would be great to finally locate a solid GH source!...

It sounds like you received the product "in bulk" (my guess) but as a solution from one or several large containers requiring placement into much smaller vials?..

Since it's in water were preservatives used to ensure quality upon transport?
...
What type of quality testing do you perform upon getting this GH from your wholesalers?

Finally what will the concentration (IU/mg) of the final retail product be...

Will you be offering variable concentrations at different prices?

Will the retail product be GTG upon delivery and NOT require reconstitution?

If mixing needs to be repeated will the solution be included in the kits?..

If no solution will be included what liquid do you think best for mixing?

Thanks alot bro

Gotta go to VitaminShoppe now, be back later,
to check post..

Peace Out Hommies

 

[MANWHORE]

just a little BUMP

There we go

 

[Dr JIM]

Excellent questions MW, IMO!

 

[MANWHORE]

Why thank you Doc lol

I was just hoping to get a thread
started, so in case I miss something...
thread being better for both of us really

Believe it or not, I don't know everything..
No No, I don't .. really

 

[Dr JIM]

Hey DB aren't you willing to share the answers to MW questions in the MESO open forum?

I mean really, I absolutely concur with MW here, how nice would it be to have an exclusive GH retailer on Meso whom is reliable AND sells a quality product.

But really exclusive of the business arrangement you've described, which does seem exclusive, why is your company any better than all the others whom have commented "we are different" and will deliver a quality GH product?

The ONLY MEANS of building consumer confidence in a NEW product OR it's MANUFACTURER is frank, open forum discussions followed by user analysis and reviews.

Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

Obviously DB has absolutely NO INTEREST in the scrutiny which is common place on uncensored open AAS forums! On second thought your "company" is indeed just like the rest, FOS!

 

[Stretch]

Obviously DB has absolutely NO INTEREST in the scrutiny which is common place on uncensored open AAS forums! On second thought your "company" is indeed just like the rest, FOS!

I am quite sure he simply hasn't seen this post.

I will tell him about it, and you can expect a reply within a day or so.

However, I feel like you specifically Jim almost sound as though you WANT new sources who try to market themselves, to be bad. I can't explain why I get that feeling, its just a third parties genuine thinking. Perhaps I am reading into it too much. Please understand I am not insinuating that you have a financial reason for this subconscious desire to trounce sources. I think, perhaps, you're just cynical, which is great for the good of noobs. And the board alike. But its kinda has this snobby, "Ebert and Roeper"...air to it.

But if I was a new source I would not be looking forward to coming here and dealing with the level of scrutiny you subject them to. Personally, I would do it anyway, but I would dread it. At any rate, I will make sure dblock knows of this thread, and he can make his own decision to reply or not.

 

[Stretch]

I just want to reiterate, that my post isn't meant to be flaming. I appreciate the help, DJ provides, both on the forum and in PM.

And I believe he does so, for the right reasons.

I was only trying to say, that it is obvious DJ thinks most sources are currently bad, or will go bad soon. I couldnt agree with that statement more! But, where we differ, is I feel like DJ is much more quick to call B.S. on a source, than I am.

Perhaps this is because he is more experienced. Perhaps he is cynical. Perhaps, he enjoys the validation to his aforementioned opinion about sources, and therefore jumps the gun on occassion.

Its hard to describe what I was trying to say, without it sounding negative, it would be easy in person, but not so much through typing.

 

[Dr JIM]

Ah Stretch, I would like nothing more than to compliment sources that attempt to sell AAS on Meso but unfortunately from a historical perspective, their reputation precedes them. However, the situation becomes much more simplified if the focus of discussion is changed to "generic GH", since in retrospect NOT ONE vendor has delivered a quality product, IME and I've tested multiple "sources".

In this instance the seeds of suspicion are planted once an retailer announces the availability of an exclusive product line, (ESPECIALLY GH) yet only by PM, on an UNCENSORED FORUM, no less. What the heck? I mean, are we talking about secure information or trade secrets?

Of course not, but this activity functionally negates the checks and balances which are exclusive yet fundamental to uncensored forum structure! It's VERY IMPORTANT to remember the mechanism of "free speech" at least is capable of initiating the process of full disclosure which is the mantra of top notch AAS boards or manufacturers like Meso and Sciroxx respectively.

Ultimately this can only be accomplished by members on an open forum spreading the word, good or bad and the sooner the better, IMO. Might some vendors contend, the notion of "guilty until proven innocent" places them at a disadvantage and only benefits the consumer?

Sure they will, and to that, I'll dust off my old violin and sing the song; well "DAMN it's ABOUT TIME"! (It also paints a pathetic yet realistic picture of just how DISADVANTAGED our mates have been historically!)

Lastly, several OPEN FORUM queries were posted by a longstanding vet on Meso, yet the reply was not returned in kind. My point, these agents attract unwanted attention by their own acts of commission or omission, rather than
as a consequence of my own biases or personal agenda (which indeed is to expose these shysters).

Why do I, and others, make these painstaking efforts to improve the odds a AAS site is GTG, because there are A LOT of noobs visiting Meso on a regular basis and most don't know shit from Shinola!

However, I do NOT believe they must endure hardship and be screwed a few times by unscrupulous retailers to "earn their wings", as some (the overwhelming majority are on competitor boards) have suggested.

Best to ya my friend!
Jimmy

 

[Dr JIM]

The comment; ........my personal agenda, which indeed is to expose THESE SHYSTERS, should not be MISINTERPRETED as a suggestion on my behalf, that DB is a shyster!

Only time with exposure to free lance questions from partiscipants on boards like Meso can make that determination!

 

[Stretch]

Ah Stretch, I would like nothing more than to compliment sources that attempt to sell AAS on Meso but unfortunately from a historical perspective, their reputation precedes them. However, the situation becomes much more simplified if the focus of discussion is changed to "generic GH", since in retrospect NOT ONE vendor has delivered a quality product, IME and I've tested multiple "sources".

In this instance the seeds of suspicion are planted once an retailer announces the availability of an exclusive product line, (ESPECIALLY GH) yet only by PM, on an UNCENSORED FORUM, no less. What the heck? I mean, are we talking about secure information or trade secrets?

Of course not, but this activity functionally negates the checks and balances which are exclusive yet fundamental to uncensored forum structure! It's VERY IMPORTANT to remember the mechanism of "free speech" at least is capable of initiating the process of full disclosure which is the mantra of top notch AAS boards or manufacturers like Meso and Sciroxx respectively.

Ultimately this can only be accomplished by members on an open forum spreading the word, good or bad and the sooner the better, IMO. Might some vendors contend, the notion of "guilty until proven innocent" places them at a disadvantage and only benefits the consumer?

Sure they will, and to that, I'll dust off my old violin and sing the song; well "DAMN it's ABOUT TIME"! (It also paints a pathetic yet realistic picture of just how DISADVANTAGED our mates have been historically!)

Lastly, several OPEN FORUM queries were posted by a longstanding vet on Meso, yet the reply was not returned in kind. My point, these agents attract unwanted attention by their own acts of commission or omission, rather than
as a consequence of my own biases or personal agenda (which indeed is to expose these shysters).

Why do I, and others, make these painstaking efforts to improve the odds a AAS site is GTG, because there are A LOT of noobs visiting Meso on a regular basis and most don't know shit from Shinola!

However, I do NOT believe they must endure hardship and be screwed a few times by unscrupulous retailers to "earn their wings", as some (the overwhelming majority are on competitor boards) have suggested.

Best to ya my friend!
Jimmy

You're a good man brother.

Here's a pic of Dblocks HGH

I am having my baseline levels tested tomorrow. Or do you think I could bail on the baseline test? I had one done years ago, it would be a good idea to re-do it right?

Serum test on his gear to be done later this week.

I happened to be online when he posted that original piece, and we have been communicating extensively since that day. I never knew him before, and I am just as capable of being duped as anyone else. But my genuine read on him at this point, is that he is an honest man, who SINCERELY wants to grow his brand. He wants us to say:....Sciroxx WHO?

But, if someone wants me to take 100iu of free GH and then tell me all they want in return is my honest opinion, well damnit, who am I to stand in their way.

I have sent Dblock an e-mail, and I told him I feel as though he is dropping the ball if he doesn't use this as a marketing opportunity.

I can give my honest feed back, but clearly there is a desire for him to answer the aforementioned questions.

 

[MythotiK]

Who the F is Dblock

 

[Stretch]

Who the F is Dblock

A guy who gave me a bunch of free HGH while you were sleeping son!!! Snooze you lose Biatch!

Well, I have returned to this board after some time until I was able to obtain a good r-HGH product. Over the last 7 years it has been frustrating for everybody in the industry to get quality r-HGH and consistently for that matter. I will briefly explain what I have done and then will have to figure out a way to let people know where to get it without breaking rules on the boards.. Just cannot remember if this was one where we can give out names etc.

So there are so many underground options for hgh but now people are finding out they are significantly under dosed. Here is why. So there is about 3.6-3.7mg of hgh per 10iu. What the Chinese have done is start off with a good product and then slowly decrease the potency over time. The cost of kits are quite cheap and there is a reason for that. The stuff is not cheap if you obtain pure hgh. These days you are lucky to find about 1.5-2.0mg per vial that they claim is 10iu. If you do the math you are getting about 4-6iu per vial not 10. Sometimes less. Sometimes little more.

Its best to just do serum r-HGH tests to see where your stuff is coming in at. Not iGF-1 test!! So basically a sub Q shot will peak between 3 - 3 1/2 hrs after the injection. Serono has done the test with I believe 8-10iu. They will give you a number that should register or come close. It is on there website. So, I will say this! All of the Chinese finished kits you buy will be under dosed. The question is by how much?

So, what I did was express my frustrations about this years ago as I am a competitive bodybuilder who does not want to think I am taking 5iu but really 2iu. Over time a partner and myself were able to invest in a company there to be able to have control over our own product. All we did was purchase the pure form of hgh, purchased a Lyophilizer and made sure that we accurately dosed each vial. To set up a sterilized lab in China was pretty easy. Money talks basically. So there are preservatives that are included with the hgh in the lyophilization process. 40 mg mannitol, 0.1 mg monobasic sodium phosphate, and 1.6 mg dibasic sodium phosphate are generally put in each vial. This is so the hgh can be stable and shipped the way it is. To make everyone aware the reasons why Nutropin made an Aqueous version was to increase the potency. Even Jintropin moved to that technology. So taking like 2.5iu of the Auqeous is like taking 4-5iu of the freeze dried product. Test it someday and you will see. 3.5iu of Nutropin AQ will make your arms fall asleep at night. The problem with the Aqueous is that it is only stable for a short time in transit. So if its not packed on ice in 3 days you are going to lose it.

Bottom line is this! We now produce a legitimate 100iu kits in Generic Form. Everybody on this site thinks they know it all and when I try to help they claim they are in the "know". No, actually I get to work in these Biotech Manufacturing Plants in Asia and I am sure I am one of few. To be honest, to make an accurately dosed kit of HGH only costs the Chinese maybe 50 extra dollars to make everybody happy but if you think about it.. 50 bucks multiplied by how many they sell is substantial. So, if anybody wants to PM me to ask more questions that is fine. I would prefer someone that is well respected on here. This way if they get a chance to try it they can do the blood tests and reveal to everybody that they are legit. If I give one away free there is no bullshit that I am this or that trying to benefit from this or scam or that.. Free is free... period. It took us two years to be able to do this.

Obviously there is vested interest in my partnership but we just want to give out a good product. The blood test will not lie. I would produce our results but anybody can doctor a sheet of paper. If it comes from somebody here then it will be trusted especially a moderator or somebody that has been given the respect.

Hope this sheds some positive light on HGH. Legit stuff is out there. It is a matter of when your source is honest or not.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Comment:

Maybe it's because I'm new at Meso, but I think the intense scrutiny given to sources is great. In fact, the more the better! As far as I'm concerned, they're all scammers until they prove otherwise, and even then, a source is only as good as their last transaction. We've all seen good sources go bad.

I don't think a source should have any apprehension about coming here and having to run the gauntlet unless they have something to hide. On the contrary, If I were an honest source just starting out, I'd welcome the opportunity to come here and prove myself. And, I wouldn't have to spend a dime on ad fees and bribing mods to do it. I can think of no better way for a new source to build a name than to survive the crucible of Meso. And build a name they will! Only it will be earned rather than purchased. It's a win-win for everyone.

IMO, this is what makes Meso unique and what brought me here.
I say bring it on!

 

[Stretch]

Comment:

Maybe it's because I'm new at Meso, but I think the intense scrutiny given to sources is great. In fact, the more the better! As far as I'm concerned, they're all scammers until they prove otherwise, and even then, a source is only as good as their last transaction. We've all seen good sources go bad.

I don't think a source should have any apprehension about coming here and having to run the gauntlet unless they have something to hide. On the contrary, If I were an honest source just starting out, I'd welcome the opportunity to come here and prove myself. And, I wouldn't have to spend a dime on ad fees and bribing mods to do it. I can think of no better way for a new source to build a name than to survive the crucible of Meso. And build a name they will! Only it will be earned rather than purchased. It's a win-win for everyone.

IMO, this is what makes Meso unique and what brought me here.
I say bring it on!

I love the attitude too.

I knew my meaning would get misinterpreted, I almost didn't make that first post.

Try to put yourself in the position of the owner. You get good gear, you're all excited. You bring it to the forum, DO NOTHING WRONG, and you get told you're a thief. You get defensive, which makes you look worse, and you get flamed even harder for your defensiveness.

It turns into a vicious circle, where no one will even give you the time of day, and you haven't even done anything but try to offer good gear at a competitive price. That's why I said I wouldn't look forward to it. If you're legit, you will come out on top, but sometimes it's hard to see the end-game when you're going through the fire. Like I said in the original post, I WOULD do it. I just wouldn't be looking forward to it. Other boards that allow discussion often don't happen to be quite this cynical.

On the flip-side, if a company is here, and not being ripped to shreds, They're g2g. PERIOD. ATM at least. Which has to be really nice from a customers point of view. The noobs today have it so easy, and they still post up asking for sources...RIDICULOUS. When I joined, there was no source talk.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I knew what you meant and it's a completely reasonable opinion. Maybe I'm too jaded -- hard to say, but I absolutely love the way this board works and would hate to see it turn soft.

I see you're in Detroit. Are you a wings fan?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Try to put yourself in the position of the owner. You get good gear, you're all excited. You bring it to the forum, DO NOTHING WRONG, and you get told you're a thief. You get defensive, which makes you look worse, and you get flamed even harder for your defensiveness.

Damn that 15 minute edit rule!
I guess what it comes down to for me is, agressively vetting sources now is the only control the consumer is going to get in the transaction. Once the money is sent, the control shifts to the source and you're at their mercy.
If I'm going to err, I'd rather err on the side of the consumer. I'd rather see the source get their feelings hurt than the consumer (me) lose a few hundred bucks.

 

[dblock50]

Dr Jim,

Sorry I have not had the chance to continue with the thread. I have been so busy but staying in touch with Stretch. I have replied to Manwhore on PM... I will be completely open when I get the chance. My goal in all of this is to bring back a good quality GH product at a decent price. The reason why I cannot post til later is because I am on my way to see an Endocrinologist who actually specializes in anti aging. Will be getting some very good information as scheduling some blood work on serum HGH.... Will reply tonight as I will have some good information or at least headed in the right direction.

 

[dblock50]

Dr. Jim,

If the GH turns out to be top notch can I have a date with that girl in the pic? I think I would be deserving...
d

 

[Stretch]

I knew what you meant and it's a completely reasonable opinion. Maybe I'm too jaded -- hard to say, but I absolutely love the way this board works and would hate to see it turn soft.

I see you're in Detroit. Are you a wings fan?

Im a fair weather wings fan....I start watching for the finals.

Ya, I'm a p.o.s. I know.

I live and die with football. Its the only sport I give a shit about...