Dbol and Var: killing time and extras

[Tarzan]

Ok, so this will be my first public cycle log so feel free to bitch at me if I leave something out you wanna see. Accepting criticism is what separates the men from the boys. Also I'm typing all this on my phone with a superglued thumb from a climbing tear so please excuse any typos... On to the fun stuff.

The cycle:

Days 1-14: dbol @ 50mg/day (5x10mg doses), var @ 20mg/day (2x10mg doses), adex @ 0.5mg/day (1.0 mg on day 1)
Days 15-21: nolva @ 20mg/day

Then I'll have enough to repeat this one more time if I choose.

Before anyone gets worried about the obvious concerns of this cycle I'll tell ya this: these are just leftovers and freebies from my last short prop/winny cycle. I'm waiting until 7's season this summer to start another long cycle (which I will def be seeking advice for sometime soon) and figured if throw these in the mix while I'm still focusing in strength more than sport specific shit. Also I'd happy throw some prop or tren in there but my current sources injectables gave me the worlds worst PIP imaginable and I don't so much trust him you know. I literally had ppl at work asking me why I was walking like the hunchback of notre dam (or whatever) which is totally not as cool/funny as it seems haha.

Cycle experience: 2 relatively recent 2 week prop based cycles and one 12 weeker with just test a long time ago in the football offseason (I got to 215 pretty lean and have no desire to be that big again cus I was slow as shit!).

Stats: 5'6.5"/10%bf/172

I know it's light but I like it that way nowadays. Feel like a spider monkey! Haha

Diet: I'm usually a pretty keto guy for health reasons but I'm throwing in a fair bit of oats and sweet potatoes for a while just to help get me through this strength based block for the next month or two. I consume around 200-250 g of protein per day primarily through eggs, tuna, and other lean meats as well as supplementing with shakes only when necessary. I always have a raging appetite so eating big is never a problem.

The workout (basics):

Olympic back squat twice a week and olympic front squat twice a week. For each of my four squat days I work up to a heavy single then drop back down to 70-80% and work back up to a 2-4 rep max with a 2/2/x/1 tempo. Then I finish with 2 sets @ 50%1RM with a 2/5/x/1 tempo.

Cleans, RDLs, and good mornings take place after front squats (in the same session or later in the day depending on how caught up in squats I get haha).

Pressing movements come after back squats.

2 days are spent either climbing or training on my campus board in the basement. All my upper body pulling work also happens after climbing sessions.

Goals:

Im gonna milk this dbol for all the strength I can get. Honestly I'm just looking forward to the little boost gettin through squattin my ass off four times a week. Also interested to see how the AAS make my fingers feel while climbing this much. Obviously weight gain is gonna happen, and I'm not gonna try to stop it haha, but it's not my goal by any means.

Like I said this is mostly just to kill time until summer when I'll run a nice long 12 weeker throughout rugby season.

Thoughts?

Thanks in advance for the criticism y'all!

-TZ

 

[Tarzan]

I'm on day 6 today by the way.

Everything is feelin nice! I'm hungry for the iron all day so hitting the weights twice a day is a pleasure. Squattin back to back is no prob (I actually quite enjoy it haha). Climbed today too and the fingers fealt fine considering they're supporting ten extra pounds. I'm currently sittin at 182.

This is my first time with dbol (I know, crazy fight) and I have to say I'm a fan. My muscles feel so full when I'm lifting that it's hard for me to stop myself from unleashing the inner bodybuilding wannabe and getting my pump on! I'm trying to keep the hypertrophy to a minimum though so I gotta keep it under control.

Sex drive is great. A little water retention for sure. Not much sides to speak of other than wanting to lift too much.

 

[boxer15]

Why are you wasting gear? Should have saved it for later when you ran a decent cycle.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Ive never been keen on cycles that exclude the base amount of endogenous testosterone.

 

[Big-Dan]

dbol and var... someones skeered of pins..lol just kidding with ya... I have a love hate relationship with dbol.. My first full cycle was dbol,deca,test e.... had done others but I would only make it half way cause id get tired of pinning...lol now I get a smile when the pain comes...

 

[stomps]

Ok, so this will be my first public cycle log so feel free to bitch at me if I leave something out you wanna see. Accepting criticism is what separates the men from the boys. Also I'm typing all this on my phone with a superglued thumb from a climbing tear so please excuse any typos... On to the fun stuff.

The cycle:

Days 1-14: dbol @ 50mg/day (5x10mg doses), var @ 20mg/day (2x10mg doses), adex @ 0.5mg/day (1.0 mg on day 1)
Days 15-21: nolva @ 20mg/day



-TZ

Waste of gear IMO

 

[BigSha]

You obviously r not a newbie but why on earth you would run oral drugs for so long ??? Just look around meso or other boards , find a respected trusted source and get some test , like 2-3 vials will get u there.

 

[Tarzan]

Alright guys, I feel ya. I definitely could be wasting potentially good gear, and of course I get wear your coming from on that. However, I'll give ya where I'm comin from in hopes of no getting tarred and feathered.

Even if I have a great experience with dbol, there's prolly no way in hell if consider running during or near rugby season (when I'm planning on running my next "legitimate" cycle) unless someone has experience running it under similar conditions and convinces me otherwise. As for the var, it was a freebie. Also, I am from a very pessimistic school if thought for the vast majority of us most of the var we see is gonna be bunk or under-dosed. So I don't wanna be counting on it for my summer cycle just to be let down. I will probably never purchase var for that exact reason.

Last of all, I'm bored and I like experimenting. Maybe I'll have a great experience; more than likely you guys are right and I won't. Either way I won't know until I try, and summer is so long away...

And yeah Newport, I'm with ya, but ain't no way in hell I'm buyin test prop from my source again. I couldn't squat for two weeks last time I pinned that shit, and I live for squats. And I don't want to run a long enough cycle to use enanthate at this point in time.

 

[Tarzan]

LOL Big-Dan, I got a good one for ya. My whole life I actually have been deathly afraid of needles, I even once got my teeth drilled without getting nummed cus I wouldn't let the dentist put a needle anywhere near my mouth. That was me until my first cycle, turns out I just hate the idea of other ppl jabbing me with needles and I have absolutely no problem pinning myself hahaha. I'm a weirdo, I know. I still get freaked out buy the idea of anything IV though which is why I haven't had any blood work done. Gotta get over that soon...

 

[azazul]

You obviously r not a newbie but why on earth you would run oral drugs for so long ??? Just look around meso or other boards , find a respected trusted source and get some test , like 2-3 vials will get u there.

what are you talking about?
Running orals for 14 days is so long? I'm assuming you didn't read properly and thought he said 14 weeks.

 

[Tarzan]

Yeah BigSha, I'm with ya bro. I just officially became a member here like yesterday so maybe I'll have an opportunity to fin a good source. Then I'd be happy to pin some test prop that didn't cripple me. Hopefully that happens, then after this first oral only 2 weeker I'll grab some prop and maybe tren and run my second 2 weeker with prop/tren/dbol. I'll be shifting my training to focus more on power then so it would work out quite well. I just don't have that source yet and the way my calendar works out if I wanna run 2 x 2 week cycles before the summer I needed to start soon.

 

[Tarzan]

For anybody that has a lot of experience with prop from multiple sources: is it possible that I'm gonna feel the same no matters who's prop I run, or does it sound like my guy is just a bad chemist?

 

[Tarzan]

Well gents, other than sharting in the middle I my tempo squats I had a great workout this mornin. Def feelin the edge, and only had a hint of what I thought was going to turn into some bad back pumps. False alarm though.

 

[SkankHunt]

Wait, so to be clear your not running any test just orals? Yeah your basically pissing away any gains you will make.

 

[Tarzan]

Alright so I shoulda put this disclaimer out first:

Even an optimal combination of orals only will never yield results comparable to the inclusion of injectables. I am consciously running this cycle knowing that my results will be sub-maximal and I am fine with this.

I don't want to be a bad influence on any newcomers to this game, so if you see my cycle and think you are going to turn into some kind of beast off something similar you will be sadly disappointed.

I've been training for a long time so if I can hold on to a 10 lb gain on my squat from this I'll be more than pleased.

And to clear things up:

14 DAYS of orals only, not weeks. That's less than some will use to kick start a conventional cycle when not frontloading.

And SerraJitsu, you are correct: no test, just orals. Depending on what type of "gains" your looking at you might be correct as well. Will I keep the weight I gain on cycle? Absolutely not, at least not most of it. But I'd bet my bottom dollar I hold on to most if not all of my strength gains. You see I'm still trying to get back to where I've been before (long ass story but I spent a year poor as shit, starving, and sure as hell didn't have access to any sort of weights; I was a bit of a gypsy). So if I was currently the strongest id ever been then I wouldn't dream of making any maintainable strength gains off such a cycle, but that's not the case.

We don't always have to run cycles with maximal results in mind, if we did we would frequently be disappointed. If you want to look at this as a bridge (if you're in that school of thought) then look at it that way. For me, this is just a nice little boost with gear I had layin around until I get serious in may.

 

[Maven3]

I think its fine, considering you know its not optimal and you have specific strength goals to get out of it. Im curious to see how you end up post cycle.

Good idea not running the dbol during your rugby season, it totally destroys your cardio capacity, did for me anyway.

Hopefully you dont get the back pumps, I had to stop squatting for 2 weeks on my dobl kickstart they got so bad.

 

[Tarzan]

Thanks for the kind words Maven!

I'm not opposed to postin pics if someone can tell me a safe way to do so from my phone. Even though my goals aren't aesthetic at all I know that's what more ppl will prolly be interested in seein. I haven't taken any so far just bc that's not where my mind was, but I can take when at day 14 and then every week thereafter until I go into cycle 2.

Thanks for confirming my concerns about dbol and my specific goals, and sorry to hear you had troubles with it yourself. I'm a big advocate of not letting gear precede training insofar as priorities go. It's easy to get it mixed up, but if your gear is interfering with your training then things get counterproductive.

On the topic of cycle number 2, I'm considering hopping on naps and grabbing some prop or suspension due to the immense amount of peer pressure here hehe just kidding guys! But anyone has a preference (ie. GP, HCL, etc) let me know, I'd appreciate it as this would be my first time ordering offline and I distrust everything. I'm not too worried about it but I know more ppl would be happy if I got some test in there too. I'll end up just continuing this log through the next 2 weeker since that will give the most comprehensive info on my total experience.

Since my first workout is 5:30am I tried 20mg dbol 1 hour prior to get the intensity up a bit, then just 3x10mg doses throughout the day. Def felt an improvement in that method bug I was flirtin with some back pumps the whole time. Don't know I I'll continue this.

Also, I'm bumping the "var" up to 40mg a day since I think the bottles bunk anyway and I just want to get rid of it.

Recovery and stamina with the weights have been great. A little more bacne than usual, and half chubs all day long haha.

 

[Tarzan]

I thought I'd a word of caution that should be common sense, but safety is not something I think this assumption should be made on. If you have gear from a source your not confident in, do not inject! I say this because I may have seems lackadaisical in this regard so far, but keep in mind that injecting an unknown substance can have serious health implications that go above and beyond ingesting something orally. Sterility is not a concern with orals, but unfortunately it's one of the most disregarded steps with novice brewers so be picky about what you pin!

 

[Tarzan]

I definitely enjoy the overall feeling if dbol. Since I'm usually a pretty big stim junky it's pretty huge for me to say I've cut my daily total stimulants easily in half and feel none the worse for wear. I know for a fact I would normally feel horrible if I attempted this.

This is really nice because I've been able to limit my ephedra use to pre-wo only now. In theory I would be totally off while on AAS, then blast ec during pct, then cruise ec nice and steady until my next cycle. I haven't been able to completely nix it but I've gotten real close.

This thought also just popped in my head: I might be the only climber in the world on gas. Haha kinda funny to me (but prolly why I'll never be a great climber...). I did see a bodybuilder in the climbing gym with his gf the other day. It was kinda cool to see ppl steppin outside their comfort zones and it looked like they had a great time too!

 

[Tarzan]

So for today's update:

Today sucked cus I had to cram my workout (including warm-up) into about 40 minutes. Also, I had to work out at my work which I hate. I always work out in my basement, it's like a second home to me now. Regardless of all that I'm still kinda happy because I was able to work up to a single on front squat that was about 85% of my all time PR. Hard for me to judge my progress exactly because I always use chains at home and obviously didn't lug them with me to work. I get enough odd looks just from the fact that I was front squatting alone haha. Anyway, got in got out and I am pleased with the weight moved.

I did a 20mg dose of dbol an hour prior to training again and I think this is about perfect. I almost feel back pumps comin on and then they subside.

As for dinner tonight: 2 salmon patties, a spinach salad with tomatoe-broccoli-feta-olive oil, and a sweet potato. It was delicious.

I'm tryin to post some pics of me after today's workout. I know it's not a "before" pic but I'm only halfway through my cycle so it's the best I got...