Dbol, Test E, Sd- How Does It Look?

[JD70]

Hi I have an upcoming cycle and all of these in my possession, plus var but I thought I'd stick to bulking over the winter. Does it look good to you, and would you change anything (hormones, AI, PCT)?
Thanks!
JD

Weeks:

1-14 Test e (500mg/wk. Mon am, thurs pm)

1-5 or 1-6 dbol. (30mg) split doses

13-16 superdrol (10-20mg) If I do 20mg it would only be a brief period. I had also considered doing more dbol or anadrol here, for 5-6 weeks, instead of SD. Or even Tbol.

1-5 exem 12.5 ED, wk 6-PCT 6.25 ED


OC and PCT:

damage control as directed

Liv52DS (4) or TUDCA (400)

Hawthorne berry extract (about 900) for Blood press


PCT: Start week 17. (2 weeks after last pin)

Nolva 40/30/20/10

Exem 6.25 ED 1st 2 weeks then EOD last 2 weeks

Super pct or similar

DAA supp (battlefuel or nutrex)

Erase or similar 2 weeks after PCT (1-2 ED)

 

[JD70]

BTW, I'm 44, done a little AAS so far (and more prohormones before), 5'7", 170# (actually less now, lost 5-6 lbs since last cycle 3 wks ago- taking gw), about 15% bf. Looking for a lean bulk in winter.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Dump the superdrol and keep it simple.

500mg/wk test and Dbol the way you outlined it.

Increase your AI to 12.5mg/day MINIMUM. But i'd be running stane 25mg per day with the Dbol especially. Liver supps are well advised.

PCT should be standard clomid nolva @ 75/50/50/25 and 40/20/20/20 respectively.

 

[JD70]

Dump the superdrol and keep it simple.

500mg/wk test and Dbol the way you outlined it.

Increase your AI to 12.5mg/day MINIMUM. But i'd be running stane 25mg per day with the Dbol especially. Liver supps are well advised.

PCT should be standard clomid nolva @ 75/50/50/25 and 40/20/20/20 respectively.

Thanks man. No sd, you don't like it? Are you suggesting to do dbol at the first as is, and at the end in place of the sd? I haven't done sd but understand it works good but can make you feel bad. I've done dbol and liked it quite a bit, looked forward to each dose. Did NOT make me feel bad at all!

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Ive never been an advocate of pro hormones. Get rid of it completely.

 

[JD70]

I will consider that, and certainly don't want to get sick or feel bad, I know sd is toxic. I've heard good stuff tho...maybe in the future.
I'll bump up my exem as you said, to 25mg ED while on dbol and 12.5 when just test. Do not want gyno for sure. Will run liver support the whole time, including PCT, and drink over a gall of water daily.
Don't really have to twist my arm to start and finish with dbol- I feel really good on it and the gains are there. I'll go with 5 weeks (1-5) and 5 weeks (12-16). Thanks man, sounds good

 

[Northern Nutrition]

No need to end your cycle with Dbol. Just use it up front for this cycle.

 

[JD70]

How long would you use dbol at the first? I really like it but it's toxic, and the estrogen issue like you said. 6 or 8 weeks too long? I guess the test only after would help me keep the dbol gains, which sounds good to me.

 

[JD70]

I think I'll stick with 5-6 weeks dbol to be safe. I've seen people doing it longer, but this seems to be the norm. Thank again bro

 

[Northern Nutrition]

4-5 wks is plenty. Its used to picked up the slack at the front of a long ester cycle.

 

[JD70]

*Revised*

Weeks:
1-12 Test e (500mg/wk. Mon am, thurs pm)
1-5 dbol. (30mg) split doses
1-5 exem 25mg ED, wk 6-PCT 12.5 ED

 

[Northern Nutrition]

That's fine.

Any hCG? Is preventing testicular atrophy important?

Diet squared away?

 

[JD70]

No hcg, but my diet is pretty good, hi protein, not real clean though. Love to eat. Get over 200g protein (I weigh 165-170), including protein drinks. This is just on cycle, less off. Not really sure if I care about testicular atrophy, as long as they work. No more kids in the future, I already have the best ones, to me. What about hcgenerate? I read something good about that.

 

[JD70]

Also, what does exem dose look like during PCT? 6.25 daily or stay at 12.5 for a while? Last time I did nolva 40/30/20/10 and exem 6.25 daily wks 1-2, then 6.25 EOD wks 3-4, then some arimistane (25-50mg ED) after PCT a week. Worked pretty good, no problems, but would like to hear your experience.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

I told you already how to run your PCT. And an AI does not belong in your recovery plan.

 

[JD70]

Really? You're not concerned with e rebound after the SERMS? There are some big differences in thinking here, I'm sure you're aware. Please elaborate why no AI is needed during PCT. I'm open to hear it man, you may be right and I'll learn something.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

There's no such thing as estrogen rebound. Do some more research and then rethink your cycle. I dont think youre ready yet.

Btw, how tall are you?

 

[JD70]

Alright, thanks for tour input NN. 5'7"

 

[JD70]

The perfect post cycle therapy on evo is where I loosely got my info. Probably good to follow it to the letter, sarm and all. I've done research and had great pct, but you have me wondering if they are wrong and you are right, so I'll do more before I start in a month. I've heard both ways but was convinced exem was good for it. I'll check it out man, I do appreciate it.

 

[4leafclover]

E rebound is a myth, Dr. Scally has posted several studies on the subject, if you search posts you can find them.

You aren't doing enough AAS to warrant daily, EoD, or E3D AI unless you know you are prone to gyno. When going for mass you really want to limit the amount of AI to a bare minimum, one of the functions of E2 is that it aids in mass building. At the most aggressive I would recommend for bulking, I would run an AI one week, then off the next, repeat. But in my bulk cycles, I hardly run AI at all, and I run much more aggressive doses and stacks than you do.

If you are trying for mass, it is best to get as much oral action on the front half of your stack as possible, using orals at the end is more for conditioning (at least that's how I've been taught and practical application has shown me). Take a page from Dorian Yates bulking, go on dbol for 4 weeks, then stop 2, then back on for 4, use this pattern as long as your bloods show a positive lipid profile (get bloods done during the end of the 2nd week off) and you can manage your BP.

I'm not a fan of pyramid down during PCT. You should also add clomid, as studies have shown the two work very well together in speeding up recovery, much better than 1 alone. Run double nolva for the first week, then down to singular dose per day for the next 3 weeks. Run 1 tab of clomid a day for 4 weeks.