Dbol, Test E, Sd- How Does It Look?

[JD70]

E rebound is a myth, Dr. Scally has posted several studies on the subject, if you search posts you can find them.

You aren't doing enough AAS to warrant daily, EoD, or E3D AI unless you know you are prone to gyno. When going for mass you really want to limit the amount of AI to a bare minimum, one of the functions of E2 is that it aids in mass building. At the most aggressive I would recommend for bulking, I would run an AI one week, then off the next, repeat. But in my bulk cycles, I hardly run AI at all, and I run much more aggressive doses and stacks than you do.

If you are trying for mass, it is best to get as much oral action on the front half of your stack as possible, using orals at the end is more for conditioning (at least that's how I've been taught and practical application has shown me). Take a page from Dorian Yates bulking, go on dbol for 4 weeks, then stop 2, then back on for 4, use this pattern as long as your bloods show a positive lipid profile (get bloods done during the end of the 2nd week off) and you can manage your BP.

I'm not a fan of pyramid down during PCT. You should also add clomid, as studies have shown the two work very well together in speeding up recovery, much better than 1 alone. Run double nolva for the first week, then down to singular dose per day for the next 3 weeks. Run 1 tab of clomid a day for 4 weeks.

Thanks 4leaf, sounds good I have seen those studies on no e rebound and they are convincing, but so are the ones that say to keep it in check. As you can see here, my other new friend (so grateful for replies to me a new guy) says the exact opposite about AI s- both convincing, and I'm sure some truth to both takes. I'm definitely scared of gyno, and believe I'm slightly prone IME. I don't know how to go about getting blood tests from my Dr without alerting that I may be doing something illegal. I get annual physicals, after PCT.
Anyway, thanks for the input bro, I've got until Nov 17 to do more research. I would like to do dbol more as you suggested, like weeks 1-4 and 7-10 then finish with test. Appreciated man thanks!

 

[4leafclover]

You can get bloods done through labsmd without alerting your doctor.

I would pop into our PCT section and ask Dr. Scally's opinion on E2 rebound, he knows a lot more about it than I do, as his area of practice is PCT.

 

[JD70]

You can get bloods done through labsmd without alerting your doctor.

I would pop into our PCT section and ask Dr. Scally's opinion on E2 rebound, he knows a lot more about it than I do, as his area of practice is PCT.

Thanks will do, both. I'll Google labsmd, that's a lifesaver!

 

[Northern Nutrition]

JD70,

Unless youre of the opinion (without experience and blood work) that your body is not affected by supra-physical amounts of endogenous testosterone AND that your body does not convert excess testosterone into estrogen, then by all means...forfeit your AI and roll the dice.

But my best advice to you, and every living male soul using AAS, is to include at least a minimum accepted standard dose on cycle (ex; Arimidex .25mg EOD) as a precaution towards reducing unwanted E2 sides until you have blood work to confirm whether or not you require MORE or LESS.

 

[JD70]

Thanks NN, and earlier you said the min of exemestane (which I own a lot of) was 12.5 ED. would you say that equals .25 arimidex EOD?

I just don't know, especially with dbol too- I believe that some e helps with gains and some people can do cycles without AI (all used to), but I'm chickenshit of getting gyno. Want to take the least that is sufficient. I'll get bloodwork after dbol and see where I am, thanks to 4leaf giving me the place to get it done. Also, I have a g of raw Letro in case.
Thanks men, I really am grateful. I learned stuff from both and will save this to reference as I do more research.
If you think of anything else let me know. I like this board so pls jump on if you see my name on another post.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

I would estimate those above values to produce similar results.

 

[DeezNutz]

@Northern Nutrition - On LabsMD, which blood test(s) are recommended while ON CYCLE? I was going to get "Hormone Panel for Males," which includes:

• CBC
• CMP (with eGFR)
• Estradiol
• IGF-1
• Lipids
• PSA
• Test (Free & Total)
• Thyroid profile with TSH

 

[JD70]

I was wondering that too- is it all necessary, and before/after cycle.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

1) Major hormones to be tested:

Testosterone
Free Androgen Index
LH/FSH
DHEA/DHEAS
Estradiol
IGF -1
Prolactin

2) Full Thyroid Panel

Thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH or thyrotropin)
T4/Free T4
T3/Free T3

3) Full cardiovascular profile:

Total Cholesterol
LDL and even VLDL
HDL
Trigelycerides
homocysteine
C reaction protien

4) Liver enzymes:

Alkaline phosphate
GGT
SGOT
SGPT
PSA

5) Kidney values:

Serum Creatine
Glomerular Filtration Rate (GFR)
Blood Urea Nitrogen (BUN)
Urine Protein
Microalbuminuria
Urine Creatinine
Protein-to-Creatinine Ratio
Serum Albumin

 

[KillaBig]

The perfect post cycle therapy on evo is where I loosely got my info. Probably good to follow it to the letter, sarm and all. I've done research and had great pct, but you have me wondering if they are wrong and you are right, so I'll do more before I start in a month. I've heard both ways but was convinced exem was good for it. I'll check it out man, I do appreciate it.

Make sure you do Dylan's protocol "perfect off" or you will never recover

 

[JD70]

Make sure you do Dylan's protocol "perfect off" or you will never recover

Where can I find that KB?

 

[KillaBig]

Where can I find that KB?

Ask Dylan Gemelli he knows all.Lol

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Make sure you do Dylan's protocol "perfect off" or you will never recover

Can you provide the link to this protocol that guarantees if you dont use it, "you'll never recover"? I'd like to read it.

Eidt: Ah haha you were being facetious. lol never mind i get it now.

 

[KillaBig]

Can you provide the link to this protocol that guarantees if you dont use it, "you'll never recover"? I'd like to read it.

Eidt: Ah haha you were being factious. lol never mind i get it now.

Lmao! Yea I'll stop now.

 

[JD70]

Gotcha! Lol

 

[JD70]

JD70,

Unless youre of the opinion (without experience and blood work) that your body is not affected by supra-physical amounts of endogenous testosterone AND that your body does not convert excess testosterone into estrogen, then by all means...forfeit your AI and roll the dice.

But my best advice to you, and every living male soul using AAS, is to include at least a minimum accepted standard dose on cycle (ex; Arimidex .25mg EOD) as a precaution towards reducing unwanted E2 sides until you have blood work to confirm whether or not you require MORE or LESS.

I've got 10,000iu HCG coming for this upcoming cycle. (Test e 500/wk, dbol). I saw elsewhere you suggest 250iu 2x/week (500 total/wk) for a similar cycle.
Would you suggest that here, or 500iu 2x/week for the last 4-5 week's before PCT? These 2 sound best to me, out of the SEVERAL different ways to take HCG on cycle.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

On cycle @ 250iu twice per week will typically prevent testicular atrophy in most bb'rs.

 

[JD70]

Thanks man. So finally (HCG is new to me), if I do that there is no need to load up at the end of the cycle, say 500iu twice a week last 4 weeks, and I stop HCG the day before I begin PCT, say 2 weeks after last pin. Sound good?
And 12.5mg exem throughout, as discussed before. So grateful for your help! [emoji41]

On cycle @ 250iu twice per week will typically prevent testicular atrophy in most bb'rs.

 

[JD70]

Thanks man. So finally (HCG is new to me), if I do that there is no need to load up at the end of the cycle, say 500iu twice a week last 4 weeks, and I stop HCG the day before I begin PCT, say 2 weeks after last pin. Sound good?
And 12.5mg exem throughout, as discussed before. So grateful for your help! [emoji41]

Looking for confirmation here- is this good? Thanks

 

[JD70]

Looking for confirmation here- is this good? Thanks

BTW, I mean I start PCT 2 weeks after last pin, do 250iu HCG from 1st pin to day before PCT.