DC training method?

[coachj0233]

well guys besides the pissing match towards the bottom of this thread bestween two members, thanks for all of the responses i got. its helped alot and i think imma give this a try and see if its right for me. imma go to animals board tomorrow and see what else i can learn about it.
-coachj

 

[Juggernauttx]

I would just like to respond to this statement..... I use the smythe machine over free weights, simply because I train alone....no spotter. So with the progressive loads workout after workout.....I find the smythe to be a life saver.

I train alone too, but I use a power rack instead.

 

[Phreezer]

People are making great gains from Mentzers workouts. I believe DCs training is based on heavy duty. Taking each set to failure will do wonders for strength. Some say they don't gain as much in size,but i believe the diet was the problem there. Mentzer never recommended eating many calories.

I didn't read all the posts in this thread...but this one caught my attention.. Taking each set to failure is wrong wrong wrong..and is not even close to being what DC training is about... I would really like you to elaborate on your statements further!!!

 

[Phreezer]

Lol.. I see Grizz already got to ya...but I'd still like to hear your reasoning Manwhore.

 

[Phreezer]

I would just like to respond to this statement..... I use the smythe machine over free weights, simply because I train alone....no spotter. So with the progressive loads workout after workout.....I find the smythe to be a life saver.

bad idea.. you are far more likely to recieve an injury by using a smith machine..about the only thing they are good for IMO is calf work and maybe some incline pressing... Anything that forces you to stay in a predetermined groove while moving heavy weight is not the best thing one can do..

Man, this thread is full of all kinds of ... "information"

 

[Snowblind]

bad idea.. you are far more likely to recieve an injury by using a smith machine..about the only thing they are good for IMO is calf work and maybe some incline pressing... Anything that forces you to stay in a predetermined groove while moving heavy weight is not the best thing one can do..

Man, this thread is full of all kinds of ... "information"

Phreezer,

Yes, I use the smythe machine only for incline presses, calf raises, and shoulder presses to the front......that's all I use it for.

And yes, this thread is full of great "information"

 

[freak]

I didn't read all the posts in this thread...but this one caught my attention.. Taking each set to failure is wrong wrong wrong..and is not even close to being what DC training is about... I would really like you to elaborate on your statements further!!!

Manwhore, bumping this for Phreezer and I'm curios too.

 

[Snowblind]

Manwhore, bumping this for Phreezer and I'm curios too.

Phreezer is right. You don't take each set to failure. All reps are done under your own power. If you finish a rep, and you KNOW you can't get one more rep.....you rack the weight. Period. Then you take your 15-25 deep breaths, and hit it again. And repeat one more time.

For example....if you're doing incline presses, a typical set would look like this:

325 lbs. x 7,4,2. Your rep range for this exercise would be an 11-15 rep range. Then you would do 2" static reps in your power position on the movement shooting for 30 short reps. I don't even get close to 30....I think the best I've done is 12. This is then followed up with extreme stretching.....In this case, grab a couple of DB's and in the bottom position of a flat bench flye, hold for 60 seconds (this is tough to do.)

This is just one small example of an exercise using DC's methods.

 

[freak]

Snowblind- thanks for sharing. I'm always openminded in this love for the game.And finding new ways to add more strength and size.
peace, -f-

 

[Snowblind]

Snowblind- thanks for sharing. I'm always openminded in this love for the game.And finding new ways to add more strength and size.
peace, -f-

No problem.....if you would like to know anything additional on this method.....either ask it here or PM me.

 

[steve miller]

i tried it once and honestly i saw a lot etter gains from HST and DFHT and much much better results from the personalize program i got from Gavin...who knows more than most here...but i may try it again after reading it again a cuple of ties to see if i missed something...but yes i am with most eat a ridiculous amount and yes you will grow period...

 

[Scruf]

Your smith machine statement

bad idea.. you are far more likely to recieve an injury by using a smith machine..about the only thing they are good for IMO is calf work and maybe some incline pressing... Anything that forces you to stay in a predetermined groove while moving heavy weight is not the best thing one can do..

Man, this thread is full of all kinds of ... "information"

Phreezer, I disagree with your statement about the smith machine. For some people it works extremely well, I personally dont use it that much but I know a prominent pro body builder that uses the smith machine extensively. Personally i do like it for incline bench but my shoulder has been preventing me from using it.

2 cenys

 

[MANWHORE]

Would you care to substantiat ANY of this? Particularly this wonderful little gem, "Taking each set to failure will do wonders for strength."

O Grizz,sorry i didn't see you reply to my post until now Can i substanwhat it? I don't know what that means but if your asking if i can prove it,then ok i can,because i've seen it work on me. Hands on is best but if you want me to find a study or scientific evidence showing why taking a set to failure stimulates the bodies nervous system therefore increasing strength... Uhhh well i will try

 

[MANWHORE]

I didn't read all the posts in this thread...but this one caught my attention.. Taking each set to failure is wrong wrong wrong..and is not even close to being what DC training is about... I would really like you to elaborate on your statements further!!!

DC used to train in a heavy duty fassion. If he doesn't now,then i'm sorry for being so ignorant.

 

[MANWHORE]

Manwhore, bumping this for Phreezer and I'm curios too.

When i'm around no one wants to talk to me but as soon as i leave everyone wants my response. Now what is it you want to know?

 

[freak]

When i'm around no one wants to talk to me but as soon as i leave everyone wants my response. Now what is it you want to know?

MW- Snow already answered for us.

 

[J DUB]

So from what you are saying I am getting that it is a variation on HIT training which is BS. A lot of Div-I football and basketball programs use HIT training and I have seen the effects of it on their stability and especially core strength. If you are an athlete, this is the worst possible way to train. However, if all you are looking for is hypertrophy and dont care whether you can move or not, then go ahead.

Phreezer is right. You don't take each set to failure. All reps are done under your own power. If you finish a rep, and you KNOW you can't get one more rep.....you rack the weight. Period. Then you take your 15-25 deep breaths, and hit it again. And repeat one more time.

For example....if you're doing incline presses, a typical set would look like this:

325 lbs. x 7,4,2. Your rep range for this exercise would be an 11-15 rep range. Then you would do 2" static reps in your power position on the movement shooting for 30 short reps. I don't even get close to 30....I think the best I've done is 12. This is then followed up with extreme stretching.....In this case, grab a couple of DB's and in the bottom position of a flat bench flye, hold for 60 seconds (this is tough to do.)

This is just one small example of an exercise using DC's methods.

 

[MANWHORE]

I think i'm confused. Doggcrap trains in a HIT type fassion but doesn't take each set to failure? HUH? I thought that's what HIT was all about. Don't DC and IA both look up to Mentzer?

 

[Juggernauttx]

I think i'm confused. Doggcrap trains in a HIT type fassion but doesn't take each set to failure? HUH? I thought that's what HIT was all about. Don't DC and IA both look up to Mentzer?

It is to concentric failure and beyond, so yes, it is to failure. DC also advocates static holds and a slow negative back down once the set is over. If this is not close to failure, I dont know what is. He did not advocate stopping, once you got a rep or two left, he wanted you to destroy the fibers with that one set. I think the only time he did not really care if you went to failure, were doing the cruise periods, when you were not doing rest pause sets. Other than that, he preached going balls to the walls.

One thing I do strongly disagree with him, is that he says rest pause is the fastest way to get strong. I disagree here. Especially when done with higher reps as he advocates. I think 5x5 is a better strength training rep protocal. One of my favorites is 5/4/3/2/1. I have gained alot of strength with that. I like Louie's methods as well as well as western periodization. His argument was that the stronger you got faster, the bigger you got faster. And that rest pause sets made you stronger faster than any other methods. Which is hogwash. I dont see people at Louie Simmon's gym doing rest pause sets to get their 600lbs bench.

The rep protocal like rest pause can be a tool, but not just relied upon as the only method. This is where Pete Sisco and John Little started all with static contraction training. Static contraction training is just a tool, but not a whole training system. It just looks like a good marketing idea, but a sorry training idea.

 

[Girth]

J DUB: Care to elaborate on that last statement of yours regarding the effects of HIT training on athletes. I know from personal and anecdotal experience that Doggcrapp training does work. But that may be due to people having a system to follow and eating as much as they should, as previously mentioned.

However, I'd like to understand the science behind Doggcrapp/HIT vs. that of a 5x5 of whatever other protocol your referencing. Is it simply a matter of neural efficiency created from multiple sets? Is it the higher %RM used in the 5x5?

I'm most concerned with your big and slow comments. If you focus on all out strength with HIT training, can't you include plyos and sport specific training for the speed/agility aspect?