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Good morning bro's, I need a little help from you dead lifters out there. I'm looking for a good DL progarm. here's my current set/rep

135x10 warm up

225x10

315x3

405x1

I only used this to get up there in the wieght,( i know 405 is not much but I've only been DLing for about 6 mons). Now im looking for something different any input would be nice.

-thank you-
 
well its actually good night here, but...

i also have not been doing deads very long, only three months. i have had a back injury that prevented me doing them for a long time. i have been using the 5x5 principal, warming up with 5x5 as well. that coupled with the fact that i started a cycle at the same time as starting deadlifts has given me great results. here is what i am currently doing. (sorry for the funny numbers, i have converted from kg's)

warm up:

5 of 154
5 of 187
5 of 220
5 of 242
5 of 264

Then:

5 of 352
5 of 374
5 of 396
5 of 440
5 of 484

The 5x5 training principal is supposed to be used 3x per week i think. i cant do that so i do it twice a week, with great results.

Zadok
 
zadok said:
well its actually good night here, but...

i also have not been doing deads very long, only three months. i have had a back injury that prevented me doing them for a long time. i have been using the 5x5 principal, warming up with 5x5 as well. that coupled with the fact that i started a cycle at the same time as starting deadlifts has given me great results. here is what i am currently doing. (sorry for the funny numbers, i have converted from kg's)

warm up:

5 of 154
5 of 187
5 of 220
5 of 242
5 of 264

Then:

5 of 352
5 of 374
5 of 396
5 of 440
5 of 484

The 5x5 training principal is supposed to be used 3x per week i think. i cant do that so i do it twice a week, with great results.

Zadok
So basically you do 9 warmup sets???Thats more like the 10x10 "principle"dude...
 
I always try to bump the weight up a little every work out. Doesn't matter if its 5lbs or 10 lbs. If you do deadlifts once a week and add a little weight each week, you will soon be far beyond where you are now. Its just that simple, atleast it works for me on all my lifts. I am currently up to 365 for bent over rows and all I did was slowly add some weight each work out.
 
DonkeyKong said:
So basically you do 9 warmup sets???Thats more like the 10x10 "principle"dude...

no. i do 5 warm up sets then 5 of heavy sets. if you read the sticky entitled 'tribute to JohnSmith' you will find more about this technique
 
what are you looking for? Are you wanting to make your dead poundage go up?

If so I would focus on exercises that help your core, and hip flexors.. Do heavy pullthroughs.. Glute Ham Raises.. Squat..and squat heavy.. Do Good mornings etc... All of these exercises will make your dl go up.
 
Wow - I desperately need to come back to this board and start helping out the training section...Maybe we can get soem the old guard back.

If you are trying to get your deadlift poundages up, here's what you need to do...

1st) Focus on what Phreezer said; squat heavy, low suspended goodmornings, hyperextensions, pull-throughs, glute ham raises are all excellent for conugate training for the deadlift.

2nd) Pull alot. Now, first of all where you are at now, you can pull heavy every week. When you get up to where I am, pulling in the 700lb range, your body can't hadn'e pulling heavy every week, and you'll have to switch to every other week or so. But for now, if I were you I'd do this:

Work lower body twice per week: if you aren't you are cheating yourself...
Week 1: Workout 1
Do Deadlifts to a max: no belt until you can pull over 500
Then do lighter squats
Then accessory work

Week 1: workout #2:
Heavy Squats
Speed Deadlifts: Pull 60% of your max for about 8 quick singles, working on form: pull fast, try and keep your back relatively flat, drop your ass as you start your pull, and lock the weight out by flexing your glutes, not with your back. Only rest for about 45-60sec between each single.
Accesory work

Week 2, workout 1:
Do Deadlifts while standing on a 2-3" box or 100lb plates to a max: no belt
Then do lighter squats
Then accessory work

Week 1: workout #2:
Heavy Squats
Speed Deadlifts: Pull 60% of your max for about 8 quick singles, working on form: pull fast, try and keep your back relatively flat, drop your ass as you start your pull, and lock the weight out by flexing your glutes, not with your back. Only rest for about 45-60sec between each single.
Accesory work

Week 3: Workout 1:
Do Suspended Goodmornings to a 5 rep max
Then do lighter squats
Then accessory work

Week 1: workout #2:
Heavy Squats
Speed Deadlifts: Pull 60% of your max for about 8 quick singles, working on form: pull fast, try and keep your back relatively flat, drop your ass as you start your pull, and lock the weight out by flexing your glutes, not with your back. Only rest for about 45-60sec between each single.
Accesory work

That's it!

Do that along with 2 upper body days for about 3 months, and I will guarantee that you will be pulling over 500 in 3 months. Then look towards 600.

Matt
 
well

AnimalMass said:
here's a pic of me pulling 640 - I've since pulled nearly 700 and will pull it for sure at my next meet.

AnimalMass, do you mind if i shoot you an e-mail within the next few days? i just had a few questions about this incredibly informative post of yours
 
Sure bud - feel free to send an email, although if you post your questions here for all to see it might be more beneficial.

Matt

ps - don't PM me - as I miss those when they come through sometimes.
 
And here I was just going to PM you. LOL Well, then, did you ever find a place to train MMA around you and did you go you? (sorry to hijack the thread. You can PM me AM because I don't miss them. ;))
 
AnimalMass said:
Sure bud - feel free to send an email, although if you post your questions here for all to see it might be more beneficial.

Matt

ps - don't PM me - as I miss those when they come through sometimes.

alright, thanks, i'll just post them on here, for some reason me knowing it was going to take me probably until tomorrow to write what i have to say since i dont have time to type it out today, seemed like a reason to e-mail you about it. why? i don't know. was quite pointless of me, i'll post it here tomorrow ;). I just got back into lifting about 2-3 months ago and i'm just now getting my deadlift close to what it was. It was at 415 pounds, i can probably pull 380 right now, (i know, no big #'s), anyway i want my poundages to go up, well over 500 but i'll start with that. I think i want to take your 3 month guarantee for a test drive, i'll get into details, stats, goals, and everything else tomorrow when i have more time to get into it. Thanks! later!
 
AnimalMass said:
here's a pic of me pulling 640 - I've since pulled nearly 700 and will pull it for sure at my next meet.
That's awesome, AM! I've been stuck for years knocking at 600 - one day soon I'll dedicate myself to blowing past this (and I'll be sure to look up everything you've written on the topic).

BTW, you should consider posting your pics in the new "photo gallery" so that everyone can easily reference visual 'proof' of your expertise :)
 
this might be kind of hijacking the thread, but have any of you guys ever had a callous rip off while deadlifting? it does not feel good.
 
bg65 said:
this might be kind of hijacking the thread, but have any of you guys ever had a callous rip off while deadlifting? it does not feel good.

i haven't, but lets hope after that comment people can manage to focus on the point of the thread again :)
 
Admin,

Sure, I'll post some pics in the new section - I'll see what I can do as soon as I post this.

As for calluses ripping off - of course - it happens to me all the time, but then again I have over 500lbs in my hands every single week. I bleed like a stuck pig too when it happens - and it ALWAYS happens at meets, usually on my second attempt making for some interesting third pulls. But you just rub some chalk in it and get back to work.

Kenneth, - still looking forward to your questions.

Matt
 
here goes..

AnimalMass said:
Admin,

Sure, I'll post some pics in the new section - I'll see what I can do as soon as I post this.

As for calluses ripping off - of course - it happens to me all the time, but then again I have over 500lbs in my hands every single week. I bleed like a stuck pig too when it happens - and it ALWAYS happens at meets, usually on my second attempt making for some interesting third pulls. But you just rub some chalk in it and get back to work.

Kenneth, - still looking forward to your questions.

Matt

here goes..
Stats: 22 years old, 5'10, 205lbs, bodyfat not known but over 15% probably, natural, no juice involved.
goals: strength and size

questions -
week 1 workout 1 - do deadlifts to max. how many sets, and how many reps do you recommond for someone like me? same question for the "light squats" that follows,.. what do you recommend should fall under the "accessory work" category?

week 1 workout 2 - sets/reps for the heavy squats ? speed deadlifts, 8 quick singles..would i bang out all 8 as quick as possible or do you let the replace for a second on the ground between each rep before driving it up again? how many sets of these do you suggest and i'm assuming the 45-60 was meant for between sets of quick deads.. then, recommonded accessory work for this workout?

week 2 workout 1 - same sets/reps question, same accessory work question..
week 2 workout 2 - same questions :)
week 3 workout 1 - when you say suspended good mornings, is this to suggest that you pause at the bottom ? i am not familiar with good mornings all together, sorry if that's a stupid question. same question for the "lighter squats" and accessory work.

sorry if any of these questions were supposed to be obvious :)
 
i mean i know what a good morning is but i also know that most people don't do them as they should be done, i need to see someone do it properly.
 
OK, well some of those questions are going to require more of an answer than I have time for this evening as I need to be heading to bed. However, let me give you a teaser and we'll go from there starting tomorrow...

On the deadlifts to a max...I couldn't care less how many sets you do. Basically start with 135 and start adding 25s and 45s to go up...so it will look like this 135, 185, 225, 275, 315, 365, 405 or whatever. If you want to do more sets that's fine, but necessarily needed. I don't ever do more than 3 reps at a time on deadlift. Also, feel free to take a couple singles at a certain weight if your form is crap. For example, maybe your form was crap on 315x1. Well, then pull it again and this time do it right. Then move up. If you want to get a little more back mass, then after you max out, drop down about 75lbs or so and knock out another set or two of 3 reps.

As for the light squats: do 5 sets of 5 with the same weight. Start conservatively. Squat until your butt touches your shoes - go absolutely as deep as your body will go. If you squat 315 really deep, then you might start at 205 or 225 for 5x5. Keep bumping the weight up each week. - If legs become a priority over your back/deadlift then swithc the order of these two and squat first and then pull. However, when you get to the point of squatting 350 for 5 sets of 5 ass to ankles, then you won't be able to do much after that, and you certainly won't be able to pull a max weight. Also, dom front squats occasionally here rather than back squats. Go all the way down there too. - do them in the same rep range area.

For heavy squats, some nights go for a max. Other nights go 5x5 but start at the weight you use on your light day and go up in weight for each set after that and try setting a new 5 rep max by the last set. The heavy squats should be hard and heavy.

On speed deadlifts, say you max at 405. Throw like 225-250 on the bar and pull it quickly and good form and then set it down, take a 45 second walk around the gym and then go pull it agian for a quick single again. Do this 8-10 times or so. Really work on form and explosion.

As for sets and reps - don't really worry about it too much. Just get your work in - work hard, but don't take 20 sets to work up to your max. That's too much. On heavy squat days, push yourself everytime. Maybe it's a 5rm, maybe a 3rm, maybe a 1rm - I wouldn't really go over 5 reps on your heavy day. On light day do 5x5 or 4x8-10. They should be gut busting hard sets too, but with lighter weight - no major 1-5rep maxes here.

Accessory work: work your hamstrings, quads, lower back, hips, abs, obliques. Pick a glute/ham/hip exercise and do that for about 3x10, a quad exercise for 3x10, and an ab exercise for 5x10. None of this is set in stone but I hope you get the idea. Good exercises for the accessory work are: pull throughs, glute ham raise, hyperextensions, etc.

Go to www.elitefts.com to check out what a Goodmorning is and the other accessory work I mentioned.

That should give you a good start.

Matt
 
BTW,

In the next couple days I will post what I think would be the best split for just about anyone to do if they are concerned with size first, strength second and then will also post a split for those concerned with strength first, size second.

Matt
 

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