Deca Dosing

[BALLISTIC]

No effective at a lower dose?
So how is it example the guy above takes 2 to 4mg and gor 1 week felt no hunger issue.

While sure its 1 person but I've never in my life taken reta over 5mg and I lost over 100lbs in 1.3 years. (Not the whole time on reta.
So not badgering your post at all more trying to understand how it makes total sense group everyone into feel the same way

You have to read it to understand, it was effective at lower dose, even 1.5mg, but the timespan was significantly longer, and prolonged exposure unnecessarily. Meanwhile they titrated this group beyond 3mg to establish a response. In the other hand a starting dose of, bolus 4.5 to 6mg had a causation immediately.

So to correctly put it if someone is minimal dose within that range the study states it wasn't effective. That's for the purpose of solely determining Glucogon control. They preferred higher bolus starting.

Furthermore we defer back to placebo being incredibly powerful.

Why expose yourself to a compound for a prolonged period of time? Without proper reasoning. Second why are people ignoring the mechanism of Reta and still multi dosing weekly?

I don't know dude, just posting the research so people can actually do something like read rather than haphazardly inject everything they can procure.

 

[rmhla]

You have to read it to understand, it was effective at lower dose, even 1.5mg, but the timespan was significantly longer, and prolonged exposure unnecessarily. Meanwhile they titrated this group beyond 3mg to establish a response. In the other hand a starting dose of, bolus 4.5 to 6mg had a causation immediately.

So to correctly put it if someone is minimal dose within that range the study states it wasn't effective. That's for the purpose of solely determining Glucogon control. They preferred higher bolus starting.

Furthermore we defer back to placebo being incredibly powerful.

Ahh ok no I follow.

 

[BALLISTIC]

Ahh ok no I follow.

Yeah dude and I want to say text has no context, I feel compelled to let you know I'm an easy going person, no argument and no conflict. Just FYI. If I can help I will.

 

[Astartes]

When you get sub 10%, the suffering is real. Your body does not like being this starved. GLP-1s take the suffering out or at least blunt it to a less noticeable degree.

I can attest to this. I bounce between 6% low and 12% high after latest Dexa Scans

 

[shredded.lyfe]

Second why are people ignoring the mechanism of Reta and still multi dosing weekly?

Bioscience and junkie behaviour.

I personally don't understand people that would purposefully want to inject more frequently, it's already a fkn chore as is.

 

[RockyP]

At least / more important than the dosage of nandrolone as well as the dosage of test being run with it is, IMO, making sure to a run a DHT with it (preferably mast - primo is fine also but adds the complexity of making sure E2 doesn't crash). I find that DHT's, specifically masteron, really help with side effects of 19-nor's like tren and nandrolone (not with BP elevation, but with gyno issues, mood / psychological side effects, libido, etc.). I have always had great experience with running test / mast at 1:1 ratio and adding either NPP or deca at a lower dose (can vary), something like 500 test / 500 mast / 400 nandrolone. Very solid course without any sides (though most of us need to watch the BP on nandrolone as the dose climbs). I have seen lots of users do well with test, EQ, nandrolone (with EQ keeping the E2 in check), but IMO that would be a bit too much in terms of HCT / RBC stimulation for my taste. But from what I've experienced myself as well as learning from others, the E2 needs to be dialed in (whatever that means for you) when running nandrolone (hence why Mast / Primo / EQ are often used along with deca / NPP).

 

[JG91]

At least / more important than the dosage of nandrolone as well as the dosage of test being run with it is, IMO, making sure to a run a DHT with it (preferably mast - primo is fine also but adds the complexity of making sure E2 doesn't crash). I find that DHT's, specifically masteron, really help with side effects of 19-nor's like tren and nandrolone (not with BP elevation, but with gyno issues, mood / psychological side effects, libido, etc.). I have always had great experience with running test / mast at 1:1 ratio and adding either NPP or deca at a lower dose (can vary), something like 500 test / 500 mast / 400 nandrolone. Very solid course without any sides (though most of us need to watch the BP on nandrolone as the dose climbs). I have seen lots of users do well with test, EQ, nandrolone (with EQ keeping the E2 in check), but IMO that would be a bit too much in terms of HCT / RBC stimulation for my taste. But from what I've experienced myself as well as learning from others, the E2 needs to be dialed in (whatever that means for you) when running nandrolone (hence why Mast / Primo / EQ are often used along with deca / NPP).

Thank you for bringing this back to nandrolone lmao

 

[NightBeast666]

Hello! I’ve seen a variety of opinions on the topic on other forums but I was looking for more opinions on deca dosing.

Some opinions say to keep test at just trt and run deca high (say 150 test 500 deca) but others say always to have test as the main anabolic. The low test crowd seems to think by keeping e2 conversion low there are less sides. But wouldn’t running eq or primo alongside the stack have the same effect?

I’ve done a blast with test/primo and later a cutting blast with test/primo/tren a. Great results all around. But I want to run a long lean bulk with deca specifically because on dexa scans my bone mass is on the low end of normal (I think this is a combination of actually being a smaller guy but in my early to mid 20s had a very bad lifestyle). And deca is known specifically to help with bone mass.

My general plan was 300 test, 300 eq, 500 deca along with my normal 5 iu hgh. But I’m not married to this plan.

Run this-

Weeks 1-8-
Test- 500 mgs a week.
NPP- 250 mgs a week.
GH- 5 IUs/day.

Weeks 9-16-
Test- 500 mgs a week.
EQ- 250 mgs a week.
Anavar- 25 mgs a day.
GH- 3 IUs a day.

The bloat that you'll have from the 1st half of this stack, will almost completely disappear by the time you complete the 2nd half.
And before the pesky side effects of NPP starts popping up, you're out of it's clutches.

 

[adrenalytic]

Run this-

Weeks 1-8-
Test- 500 mgs a week.
NPP- 250 mgs a week.
GH- 5 IUs/day.

Weeks 9-16-
Test- 500 mgs a week.
EQ- 250 mgs a week.
Anavar- 25 mgs a day.
GH- 3 IUs a day.

The bloat that you'll have from the 1st half of this stack, will almost completely disappear by the time you complete the 2nd half.
And before the pesky side effects of NPP starts popping up, you're out of it's clutches.

this is almost the exact stack ChatGPT recommended to me except it wants me to keep test lower at 300 and deca higher at 300. Do you introduce the EQ at week 9? seems like it wouldn't peak until you're done. Is that by design? Do you just shift to cruise on EQ or d/c it?

I'm trying to plot out a long 20 week cycle so maybe this is all academic.

 

[NightBeast666]

this is almost the exact stack ChatGPT recommended to me except it wants me to keep test lower at 300 and deca higher at 300. Do you introduce the EQ at week 9? seems like it wouldn't peak until you're done. Is that by design? Do you just shift to cruise on EQ or d/c it?

I'm trying to plot out a long 20 week cycle so maybe this is all academic.

If I run NPP more than 8 weels at a time, the side effect compounds exponentially. You can though continue the NPP for a longer period, if you can handle it.

You don't need to wait until the NPP peeks. It will continue to do what it does, till it's your blood. The switching of the compounds jolts your body to react differently and grow.

This isn't anything new though. Pros have used this technique for decades.

I learned it from Matt Porter. Though, he suggested changing the Test ester aswell. So something like-
Sust + NPP, followed by
Test Cyp + EQ, followed by
Test E + Tren E.
With as much GH as one can afford, 2 weeks on, 2 off.

I know of pros that use this 20-16 weeks out from their shows. Rapid changing of compounds.

I just cruise on 500 Test and some AI.

 

[Mfras]

this is almost the exact stack ChatGPT recommended to me except it wants me to keep test lower at 300 and deca higher at 300. Do you introduce the EQ at week 9? seems like it wouldn't peak until you're done. Is that by design? Do you just shift to cruise on EQ or d/c it?

I'm trying to plot out a long 20 week cycle so maybe this is all academic.

Yeah the 2nd half seems strange- mostly for the reason you picked out- eq would be more unreliable AI than mass builder that wouldn’t peak yet. If I was gonna do NPP which is my favorite anyway I’d plan 8 weeks with an option to extend to 11 if gains keep coming, and use like 200 mast to keep my head screwed on tight. If you did 11 or even 12 weeks the npp water would be gone before the split personality cycle would have ended anyway.

20 weeks I’d do the same stack but with deca

 

[adrenalytic]

Yeah the 2nd half seems strange- mostly for the reason you picked out- eq would be more unreliable AI than mass builder that wouldn’t peak yet. If I was gonna do NPP which is my favorite anyway I’d plan 8 weeks with an option to extend to 11 if gains keep coming, and use like 200 mast to keep my head screwed on tight. If you did 11 or even 12 weeks the npp water would be gone before the split personality cycle would have ended anyway.

20 weeks I’d do the same stack but with deca

I should have clarified, this is for deca. When I do a drug I marry it for better or for worse . Fuck that phenyl propionate ester

 

[JG91]

Love that this is still getting traction. I’ll share what I ended up doing.


Cliffs: it was stupid.


First week of December or so I started my cycle of test 375, 300 eq, and 500 deca. Front loaded with 1,000 deca first two weeks.

God awful. So much water. Pumps obviously awesome. Nipples got pointy. And for the first time ever I started snoring.
Dropped the deca completely for two weeks. Took a caber. Changed the cycle to 500 test, 250 deca, 300 eq. And since then I’ve gone to 600 test as my e2 was low.

Front loading was stupid. But I’ve been on this cycle for 7 weeks? I love it. Libido is high, gym is a pr every time. Pumps are insane.

I still feel like I always have a bit of stuffy sinuses. I read somewhere else that nandrolones can give a “chest cold” feeling. Explains the snoring I had before. But that resolved with the lower dose.

So going forward I’ll stick with the general consensus of having test higher than deca. But it was a fun experiment.

 

[adrenalytic]

Love that this is still getting traction. I’ll share what I ended up doing.


Cliffs: it was stupid.


First week of December or so I started my cycle of test 375, 300 eq, and 500 deca. Front loaded with 1,000 deca first two weeks.

God awful. So much water. Pumps obviously awesome. Nipples got pointy. And for the first time ever I started snoring.
Dropped the deca completely for two weeks. Took a caber. Changed the cycle to 500 test, 250 deca, 300 eq. And since then I’ve gone to 600 test as my e2 was low.

Front loading was stupid. But I’ve been on this cycle for 7 weeks? I love it. Libido is high, gym is a pr every time. Pumps are insane.

I still feel like I always have a bit of stuffy sinuses. I read somewhere else that nandrolones can give a “chest cold” feeling. Explains the snoring I had before. But that resolved with the lower dose.

So going forward I’ll stick with the general consensus of having test higher than deca. But it was a fun experiment.

Thanks for sharing. IME, frontloading anything just gets you in trouble with sides. Best to just let your body acclimate instead of dumping into it a shitload of compound it has never seen before.

 

[JG91]

Thanks for sharing. IME, frontloading anything just gets you in trouble with sides. Best to just let your body acclimate instead of dumping into it a shitload of compound it has never seen before.

Lmao honestly i don’t really know why i did it. I guess I just wanted to see what would happen

Won’t do that again. Even with my crashed e2 I didn’t front load the test.