Deca/Test/EQ(?): Want to do this right

[TigrDickn]

Fellow Alphas:

I'm changing my approach for my cycle following some advice, from a Test/Tren cycle to a Test/Deca cycle. But, I would like some input on the dosage for Test/Deca and for how many weeks, as well as whether or not adding EQ would be wise. I would like to gain 15-20 lbs, but clean. I'm not looking for the mysterious "clean bulk" BS, but want to reset my physique. I'm currently around 17% bf (estimation) at 6'3" and 217lbs. For the stack, I also would like some serious, experienced input on running an AI. I've read dozens of threads about running an AI and it's damn confusing. Some people say Adex/Aromasin would be sufficient, but others recommend adding in Caber/Prami due to the Deca. Please give your thoughts on what AI(s) I should run, and at what doses on what days (i.e. ED, EOD, E3D).

I would appreciate some input from you guys who have used these before. I used Test/Deca years ago, but I was young and ignorant at the time and I'm certain I didn't run it correctly.

Thanks,
Tigr

 

[Agrex110]

Keep your estrogen in line, and you wont have any use for prami/caber. its a bro science drug anyway. to save everyone from hating... there are studies done by DRs saying that if you keep your e2 in order, your prolactin will not elevate.

I finished a test tren cycle and now im doing a deca cycle

450mg deca a week
300mg test a week.

I will eventually up the deca to 600. but keep the test at 300. 300mg of test will keep my sex drive in order and no dick issues

Arimidex .25 EOD or whatever my blood work tells me, as i will do bloods every 3 weeks.

From what ive gathered, deca will hold alot of water. so keep a clean diet, AI and drink lots of water @Notits has been giving me good guidance on deca.

 

[Leancuisine]

If I recall correctly, this is one of your first cycles after some time off (7 years if I remember?

Test and Deca could be awesome, but I think you could get by on a moderate test dose and get great gains as well.
500-750mg a week.

I agree with @Agrex110 about the prolactin issues stemming off of high E2, but prami is still an awesome drug for insomniacs and sex.

 

[TheQuest]

If I recall correctly, this is one of your first cycles after some time off (7 years if I remember?

Test and Deca could be awesome, but I think you could get by on a moderate test dose and get great gains as well.
500-750mg a week.

I agree with @Agrex110 about the prolactin issues stemming off of high E2, but prami is still an awesome drug for insomniacs and sex.

I had a long break from gear years ago. I did this ^^^^ and my results was great. If i not remember wrond did i use sust 500mg a week. Deca and test is my favorite stack so i have to give thumbs up to OP ,) i would not add eq to the stack.

 

[Agrex110]

Deca+test+adrol. gainz galoreeeee

 

[mghoward74]

Test, deca, & eq cycles require time. You should know what "frontloading" is and how it's beneficial to cycling. You should also know that for this type of cycle, you're going to need time. Eq should be ran a minimum of 16 weeks. To overcome shutdown from deca & eq sides (full & healthy recovery), you're going to need to run test at least 4 weeks after last eq pin.

I'd suggest
500 mg test
400 deca
600 eq

Using short esters to finish off your cycle and start pct 2 weeks after last Test p pin. If you choose to stay on long esters, 4 weeks after last Test e pin

Duration total
20 weeks

Since deca & eq are anabolic. A healthy clean diet is a must for good gains

You're going to need more test to avoid "dick issues"

 

[TigrDickn]

Keep your estrogen in line, and you wont have any use for prami/caber. its a bro science drug anyway. to save everyone from hating... there are studies done by DRs saying that if you keep your e2 in order, your prolactin will not elevate.

I finished a test tren cycle and now im doing a deca cycle

450mg deca a week
300mg test a week.

I will eventually up the deca to 600. but keep the test at 300. 300mg of test will keep my sex drive in order and no dick issues

Arimidex .25 EOD or whatever my blood work tells me, as i will do bloods every 3 weeks.

From what ive gathered, deca will hold alot of water. so keep a clean diet, AI and drink lots of water @Notits has been giving me good guidance on deca.

Thanks for the thorough response. I'm glad to hear from someone with recent and similar experience. I'll cut the need for Caber/Prami. My diet will be clean. My wife's prepping for a fitness comp and prep's my meals (huge benefit right there!)

How did you like the Tren/Test? Good results?

 

[Notits]

Test, deca, & eq cycles require time. You should know what "frontloading" is and how it's beneficial to cycling. You should also know that for this type of cycle, you're going to need time. Eq should be ran a minimum of 16 weeks. To overcome shutdown from deca & eq sides (full & healthy recovery), you're going to need to run test at least 4 weeks after last eq pin.

I'd suggest
500 mg test
400 deca
600 eq

Using short esters to finish off your cycle and start pct 2 weeks after last Test p pin. If you choose to stay on long esters, 4 weeks after last Test e pin

Duration total
20 weeks

Since deca & eq are anabolic. A healthy clean diet is a must for good gains

You're going to need more test to avoid "dick issues"

How you been big fella?

 

[TigrDickn]

If I recall correctly, this is one of your first cycles after some time off (7 years if I remember?

Test and Deca could be awesome, but I think you could get by on a moderate test dose and get great gains as well.
500-750mg a week.

I agree with @Agrex110 about the prolactin issues stemming off of high E2, but prami is still an awesome drug for insomniacs and sex.

Yes, it was a 7-year hiatus. I know you're right on gains from a Test only cycle, but I wanted to gain a little more experience with a moderate stack so I can gradually prep for a serious cutting cycle before summer. For me, I would feel more comfortable running several compounds to cut/harden after managing a fairly easy stack right now. Plus, I've had 5 surgeries, including 2 cervical fusions and an ACL reconstruction (not to mention arthritis from rucking and sky diving), so I could handle the therapy of Deca.

Thanks for the advice, however. I know you're right in that I could benefit from a Test only run.

About Prami, does it aid with sleep and libido? I've not read that. In fact, most threads recommend Caber over Prami so I've researched Caber much more.

 

[TigrDickn]

Test, deca, & eq cycles require time. You should know what "frontloading" is and how it's beneficial to cycling. You should also know that for this type of cycle, you're going to need time. Eq should be ran a minimum of 16 weeks. To overcome shutdown from deca & eq sides (full & healthy recovery), you're going to need to run test at least 4 weeks after last eq pin.

I'd suggest
500 mg test
400 deca
600 eq

Using short esters to finish off your cycle and start pct 2 weeks after last Test p pin. If you choose to stay on long esters, 4 weeks after last Test e pin

Duration total
20 weeks

Since deca & eq are anabolic. A healthy clean diet is a must for good gains

You're going to need more test to avoid "dick issues"

Thanks for the thorough response, seriously. Given its my first cycle in 7 years, I can understand the advice to run a lighter cycle by my thought for EQ was two-fold: better gains and increased appetite. I'm a little concerned that I'll not eat enough to get the most of a Test/Deca run, this the EQ. And regarding the length, I had assumed a 16 week cycle was pretty much standard for EQ. For the shut down and PCT, I'm on TRT (will be until I die), so that'll help the "recovery". I will admit, though, that while I've heard of front loading I've never done it. Is that something unique to EQ or would I want to do the same with Deca? If so, how would I do so? I'm cautious until hearing it explicitly from you guys with more experience. If you don't respect AAS', they can screw you in the long run.

Thanks again!

 

[Leancuisine]

Yes, it was a 7-year hiatus. I know you're right on gains from a Test only cycle, but I wanted to gain a little more experience with a moderate stack so I can gradually prep for a serious cutting cycle before summer. For me, I would feel more comfortable running several compounds to cut/harden after managing a fairly easy stack right now. Plus, I've had 5 surgeries, including 2 cervical fusions and an ACL reconstruction (not to mention arthritis from rucking and sky diving), so I could handle the therapy of Deca.

Thanks for the advice, however. I know you're right in that I could benefit from a Test only run.

About Prami, does it aid with sleep and libido? I've not read that. In fact, most threads recommend Caber over Prami so I've researched Caber much more.

Has worked wonders for my sleep.
Took a major toll from a few TBI'S and would go dayd without sleep.
My doc put me on that and it helped tremendously.... then leave it to the VA to take me off of it and I relapsed back to a few hours of sleep a week.

 

[TigrDickn]

Has worked wonders for my sleep.
Took a major toll from a few TBI'S and would go dayd without sleep.
My doc put me on that and it helped tremendously.... then leave it to the VA to take me off of it and I relapsed back to a few hours of sleep a week.

Sounds exactly like me. 14 IEDs, a TBI, and multiple concussions later and I can't sleep more than 2 hours at a time and maybe 4 hours in a night. Maybe I'll look into that for the sleep alone.. It's tough to make solid gains if you're not sleeping anyway.

And yes, if the VA can screw up your treatment, they'll do it.

 

[Dr JIM]

Is that something unique to EQ

If you don't respect AAS', they can screw you in the long run![/QUOTE]

Front loading is recommended with Equipose bc its ester Undecylenate, has such a prolonged half life averaging 12 days.

Typical loading dosages double or perhaps even triple the weekly scheduled amount

The problem with FL any AAS, side effects are almost guaranteed to increase in a manner proportional to the dose used.

 

[TigrDickn]

Is that something unique to EQ

If you don't respect AAS', they can screw you in the long run!

Front loading is recommended with Equipose bc its ester Undecylenate, has such a prolonged half life averaging 12 days.

Typical loading dosages double or perhaps even triple the weekly scheduled amount

The problem with FL any AAS, side effects are almost guaranteed to increase in a manner proportional to the dose used.[/QUOTE]

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification, doc.

 

[Leancuisine]

Sounds exactly like me. 14 IEDs, a TBI, and multiple concussions later and I can't sleep more than 2 hours at a time and maybe 4 hours in a night. Maybe I'll look into that for the sleep alone.. It's tough to make solid gains if you're not sleeping anyway.

And yes, if the VA can screw up your treatment, they'll do it.

Yup.. last time I went there I had a seizure
And the army goes rolling along.....