Deca vs. NPP recovery

[MR10X]

Bosworth got busted for deca in college long after he used it.....

 

[jabrel3]

Well Tren does not result in Renal or GI issues with cattle either.

Citing anecdotal reports as evidence is what most would rightfully call "bro science" and that's how it should be.

Hey I've "heard reports" of parachutists jumping out of airplanes at 20k wo their chute opening and surviving too.

It just seems telling, witnesses rather than the "survivor" report the events of "that day".

Completely off topic lol but couldn't help commenting , don't usually here too much about jumping around these parts. As a USPA licensed jumper I can tell you that most if not all of these incidents are skydivers that actually did have chutes open. The cause of these reports is always news reporters who know nothing about our sport. Most jumpers today have an automatic activation device that will deploy our reserve at a predetermined altitude should we not be able to deploy our main. Anyways, hitting to ground without your "parachute opening" is almost unheard of.

 

[MassTurk]

Sworder I think same way estradiol stores in fat tissue after being metabolized. Doc will correct me if I'm wrong

 

[Dr JIM]

E-2 is converted into E-1, which is stored in adipose tissue, and can then be reconverted into E-2 should estradial levels decline. This is believed to be one reason why resistance to AI's and SERMS occurs in PMP females with breast CA over time.

However the "sulfatase" enzyme responsible for this conversation, exists in very low concentrations in males, thus an E-1 to E-2 conversion is an UNLIKELY reason for elevated E-2 levels in MALES!

 

[Galileo]

E-2 is converted into E-1, which is stored in adipose tissue, and can then be reconverted into E-2 should estradial levels decline. This is believed to be one reason why resistance to AI's and SERMS occurs in PMP females with breast CA over time.

However the "sulfatase" enzyme responsible for this conversation, exists in very low concentrations in males, thus an E-1 to E-2 conversion is an UNLIKELY reason for elevated E-2 levels in MALES!

What is done when/if PMP females with breast cancer develop this resistance, if controlling estrogen is the only treatment for their cancer?

 

[Dr JIM]

It's not an IF but seemingly occurs is essentially all patients w breast CA which is why AI'S or SERMs are used primarily as adjunctive therapy in conjunction with other modalities such as radiation, surgery and chemo.

 

[colossus25]

Now how about citing evidence based literature supporting these adverse effects !

I ask bc the side effects of Tren like any other AAS are dose related, which is CONTRARY to the belief MORE IS BETTER, NOT!

Oh and obviously you are not aware, AAS are used to treat some patients with kidney disease!

It also would be helpful if you would clarify the meaning of "then there is the metabolite thing with Deca"

It's confusing as stated bc Deca is the TRADE NAME for NANDROLONE DECONATE while NPP (Nandrolone phenyl propionate) is not available commercially yet BOTH form the same "active metabolites"

Dr jim you seem to extremely knowledgeable on aas and their effects dont mean to sound like a kiss ass but ive been learning a lot from your post on other threads. Now as far as trenbolone goes ive ran tren A @ 700mgs p/w for 9 or 10 weeks last year and my cycle went very well honestly the best of them all. Now reading your comment above about sides being dose related is there a set dose you recommend or does it very from person to person? As far as sides i experienced night sweats at the beginning but that subsided during week two and really just the typical sides of tren as far as hair loss (which im predisposed for) and increased aggression which i kept in check. I took caber throughout and this was coupled with 1000mg of test p and masteron p 500mg p/w. Was this too much or based on my sides was it alright? Your knowledge and wisdom is greatly appreciated.

 

[colossus25]

Sorry to hijack the thread lol

 

[Dr JIM]

Bc the answer to those questions depends on your cycle experience dose, AAS used, cycle duration, benefits (gains) compared to risks or in this instance side effects, the best person to reply is YOU!

 

[Dr JIM]

I will say contrary to the often cited "bro" lore, Tren is a relatively innocuous AAS especially if someone doesn't begin cycling it at the doses your using. It's NOT that higher doses will zap that liver but rather the frequency and severity of adverse effects are more pronounced at higher doses and a shock for those who don't know what to expect.

I mean very few if any SINGLE AAS is associated with night sweats (that can rival those of lymphoma patients) insomnia, nightmares, muscle cramps etc.

However even though many of Trens adverse effects appear to diminish with continued use, some will discover it's intolerable at any dose!

 

[Galileo]

It's not an IF but seemingly occurs is essentially all patients w breast CA which is why AI'S or SERMs are used primarily as adjunctive therapy in conjunction with other modalities such as radiation, surgery and chemo.

I've sent you a PM, hope you may have time to review it.

 

[doubleaa]

Well damn. Npp is my fav and have run it in last 5 cyextensive re you saying that im shooting blanks? Is it any less then the affects of tren on the body?

Ya well i would certinly like to know about this as well ive done tren once and just test . ......what extensive damage is there from othet compounds? Is just test better of kids are still in the picture?

 

[doubleaa]

If kids are still something you want is my ?

 

[double-leg]

If kids are still something you want is my ?

@Dr JIM. Hes the one who mentioned it. My boy are still ok.
So im thinking if what he says is true it has not yet affected me . I can still seed the pasture.

 

[doubleaa]

You stil had kids after 5 or more cycles of tren , npp , or deca cycles?

 

[double-leg]

You stil had kids after 5 or more cycles of tren , npp , or deca cycles?

Yes