Diagnosing the cause of pip

[cornsyrup12]

So I normally use test E in MCT with pretty minimal pip. Tried a cheaper source for test C in sesame oil and I'm getting consistent pip like never before. So I'm reading up on it and not really finding everything, so maybe we can answer pip more comprehensively. I'll get started with what I've read.

Causes of PIP:
1. Virgin muscle
2. Subcutaneous leakage (including by hitting a blood vessel)
3. High concentration
4. Solvent/antiseptic
5. Carrier oil reaction (or allergy)
6. Ester reaction (or allergy)
7. Contamination (bacteria or other microbes)

So how do we diagnose which one it is? Hoping y'all can help out with this; I'm thinking timing of the pip might be relevant to this?
1. You stop getting pip after a week or two, problem solved.
2. I think it starts within half a day and gets worse over a few days. Long lasting, noticeable inflammation.
3. Idk, maybe starts like a day later?
4. idk
5. Idk, if allergies, you might get rash or anaphylaxis, the latter of which is very bad.
6. Probably starts 2 days later?
7. I heard you'll get a hard lump that gets hot, very bad. Will probably need intramuscular antibiotics asap.

Of course tips to manage it are good. Ibuprofen, massaging, heat, are common ones, but may only work for certain causes.

 

[IndividualMan]

with new sources/new oils/ generally new or unknown composition of products I would advise your first few injections to be subQ, so you get a clearer picture of what is causing the PIP (is the injection depot swelling to 2-3x size? is it a skill issue/ shaky injection hand irritating the tissue? also rules out virgin muscle PIP) plus in this case

6. I heard you'll get a hard lump that gets hot, very bad. Will probably need intramuscular antibiotics asap.

you dont fuck up/scar your beautiful contractile tissue, just some useless fat


something else you can try to isolate variables (especially to check for allergies/adverse reactions to ingredients) is:
inject just oil+ba,
then different oil + ba ( checking for allergy against carrier oil)
if thats not it
then oil+ba+ whatever solvents are used in the product (EO, BB, Guaicol)
( checking for allergy against solvent)
then as a last resort, if none of these factors caused PIP/ swelling it is either the ester/concentration or contamination of the product

(or simply comes down to a skill issue when injecting/accidentaly harpooning yourself with an 18 gauge)

 

[cornsyrup12]

with new sources/new oils/ generally new or unknown composition of products I would advise your first few injections to be subQ, so you get a clearer picture of what is causing the PIP (is the injection depot swelling to 2-3x size? is it a skill issue/ shaky injection hand irritating the tissue? also rules out virgin muscle PIP) plus in this case

you dont fuck up/scar your beautiful contractile tissue, just some useless fat


something else you can try to isolate variables (especially to check for allergies/adverse reactions to ingredients) is:
inject just oil+ba,
then different oil + ba ( checking for allergy against carrier oil)
if thats not it
then oil+ba+ whatever solvents are used in the product (EO, BB, Guaicol)
( checking for allergy against solvent)
then as a last resort, if none of these factors caused PIP/ swelling it is either the ester/concentration or contamination of the product

(or simply comes down to a skill issue when injecting/accidentaly harpooning yourself with an 18 gauge)

Yeah, this makes a lot of sense. If you have individual oils and compounds at hand, you can do subq tests to rule out or pinpoint a lot of factors, same as an allergy test they do on your back at the doctor's otfice.

 

[cornsyrup12]

Well my pip turned into a full body rash, it's definitely allergies to something in the gear.

 

[Gatman]

Been reading in another thread people getting pip with test e.... personally I've never had an issue with pip using e,c, sust 250 or any test ....have had one instance of a good size lump (using thigh as injection point) but went away in a timely fashion

Only pip I have experienced is with winstrol

Been on for about 4 years now.....me thinks it's more of an individual reaction than the actual substance??

 

[IndividualMan]

very much is a part of the substance, Chinese Test E has a "new" manufacturing process for quite some time now (almost a decade) which leaves some acid residue in it, which causes PIP for most people (some people just tolerate the residue well)

 

[Gatman]

very much is a part of the substance, Chinese Test E has a "new" manufacturing process for quite some time now (almost a decade) which leaves some acid residue in it, which causes PIP for most people (some people just tolerate the residue well)

Ha I knew it I've got powerful immunity .....lol

 

[Gatman]

spoke to soon…upped my dosage of testosterone enathate to 2ml every three days….. 2 separate injections….bam hit like a ton of bricks ….

so im thinking keep the dosages low???

did not have any issue before when doing 1ml every 3 or 4 days

 

[IndividualMan]

bro got hit with the PIP of of despair and suffering. I hope you have some Test Cyp on hand to switch to