Different First Cycle- Fellas, Need Your Help, Please...

[Millineum Man]

Guys, I need your input before purchasing the products for my First Cycle. I'm 30 years old and have been training off and on for 13 years, the last 2 years, seriously. Right now, I'm dieting naturally trying to get down to 6'3" 230lbs and 8-9% bodyfat before starting my cycle. Presently, I'm at 250lbs and 15% bodyfat. My goal with this cycle is not typical, since I'm not looking to gain 20-30lbs. I'm looking to add a dense, hard, vascular look to my physique while adding 5-10lbs, but still want to keep my doses in check with this being my First Cycle. (Not ready for Tren, yet.) Here's what I had in mind. Test Enanthate@300-375mgs for 10 weeks and Winny@50mgs ED for weeks 5-12. I'll also will be using Liver Protectants(Tyler's & R-ALA). Sounds ok???

 

[cinnabar8521]

That looks good, sounds like you did a little research, I think if your diet and training is in order your goals will be met.

 

[big roid]

Test will make you look puffy. If your after a hard look use some eq. The winny would be good but I would use some deca cause winni will make your joints ache.

 

[sixfeetfour]

Bro - we have similar builds and age. Except I'm not down in the single digits body fat wise - more like 12-15% at 6-4 and 245lbs. My first cycle was similar to yours also. I went 500mgs Test E (1-10 wks) and 50mgs winny (4-10 wks) and put on 20+ lbs. If your training right and eating right you should put on more than 5-10lbs your first time, even if you don't want to. The veins will come out also. It is a good move on your part to take it easy your first time, and moniter how your body reacts. The winny shots every day get old fast and are a pain in the ass literally. You should not look puffy at 300mgs/wk of test.

You have some size naturally, but if you can cut to 8-9% at 6-3 and 230lbs you will already be vascular and muscle will appear harder, why do the gear at all?

 

[Millineum Man]

Sixfour, thanks for sharing the info, brother! I 've been researching Gear on most of the major boards for 3-4 years now before finally settling on this one. I've waited until I got in the best shape in my life and when I was close to maxing out my natural potential. I'm going to use alot of Glucosamine & Chondroitin to help with the "possibility" of joint pain from the Winny. I made a slight adjustment to my cycle and wanted your opinion. It still falls in the realm of conservative when compared to others, just the way I wanted it. Oh! The Winny will be in either pill or liquid form. Let me know what you think....

Test Enanthate@500mgs for weeks 1-4
Test Enanthate@375mgs for weeks 5-10
Winny@50mgs ED(25mgs twice a day) for weeks 5-12

 

[sixfeetfour]

Looks good bro - you may want to run the Test E at 500mg all the way (1-10) What brand of Test is it? I was running some ICN Test E 250mg and I saw a lab report that had it at, I believe, 179mg. Some will say drop the winny alltogether, but if you already got it might as well use it, though you might want to limit it to six wks.

Get ready for some nice pumps after a couple of weeks. First cycle, the feeling is awesome. Watch out for overtraining and don't push too hard - you will get stronger and your tendons may not be up to handling the increased poundage, I injured my elbow this way. Resist the urge to try and "max out" every workout. Eat, sleep and lift. You should get 15-20lbs - expect on keeping about half what you gain, you may keep a bit more.

You will open up some new doors with regards to your potential.

 

[Millineum Man]

I'm going to use Kwik's/GPL Enanthate. I haven't heard one negative thing about his gear and it's been over a year. So, he's good to go. The Winny tabs are made by Couture labs. I'm toying with the idea of adding Proviron@25-50mgs ED throughout, too. I don't have the Winny, yet. But, I will get it because I think it will make a real difference in my physique, especially with my bodyfat being low.

 

[sixfeetfour]

You'll be good to go. You would probably see more of the results you are looking for with a tren / winny combo, but for your first time Test E is the right choice.

Don't put to much faith in the winny, it will help you, but your diet will help you get the look you desire more. I've dropped the winny from my list of favorites, I might go back to it, but it's not all that. No experience with the proviron.

Good luck bro - Be safe & have fun. Do you have a PCT plan? Pretty mild cycle but I would run some Clomid after.

 

[Millineum Man]

Yeah, I'm going to use Clomid & Nolvadex post cycle. Plus, HCG the final 3 weeks of the cycle to get everything primed up for recovery.

 

[Millineum Man]

Up for more opinions, fellas...

 

[Texas Ranger]

I like the 2nd cycle you came up with. You shouldn't have excessive water retention from Test Enanthate@350-500mgs/wk. Plus, the Proviron should take care of it if it does. The Winstrol should icing on the cake, bro. It WILL give you the hard, dense appearance you seek. As long as your bodyfat is low and diet is in check. 10lbs of lean, hard muscle should be easy with this being your First Cycle.

 

[irish311]

does anyone recomend using winny alone? i wanted to run 8 weeks 50 mg ed. i don't want to put on too much wait, more hard cut look. is only winny worth it? if yes do i need any anti-e or any pct?