DNP and hair loss

bellerose

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Hello -

I know that hair loss could be expected if someone was doing a test cycle perhaps, but has anyone ever seen hair loss on or after a DNP cycle?

My reasoning is that periods of stress can cause hair loss months after the stress has happened. And if someone was using DNP, I wouldn't be surprised if the body reacted in the same way.

Thanks!
 
it's non-hormonal as far as the research ive read on it. maybe you're prone and you are starting to bald?
 
Alright, thanks :)

I haven't actually started it yet, never found a source, I'm just planning and daydreaming until I do. Also I'm female, so I don't know if that would make a difference in how the DNP would effect me.
 
Alright, thanks :)

I haven't actually started it yet, never found a source, I'm just planning and daydreaming until I do. Also I'm female, so I don't know if that would make a difference in how the DNP would effect me.

You've done very little research... :) Girls shouldn't take DNP, it could affect their eggs. It may or may not, some will even say that no reported problems in the years of research have been found - others will disagree.

Read up some more..DNP, women and eggs [Archive] - Anabolic Steroids, Bodybuilding Discussion Forums - Steroidology seems to have lots of links and discussion..

Heh...you should have posted your a woman in the thread title..

Regardless talk to member Conciliator..
 
Oh, wow. The only thing I had ever read specifically concerning women taking DNP was related to cataracts.

I know that I've seen other boards with women taking it, I just assumed it was alright.

Thanks for the heads up.
 
bump, I would really appreciate it if anyone else, especially Conciliator, had any information regarding this.

feel free to PM him.. he's a member and comes on once in a minute to shoot the shit about dnp.. you could also search for his posts, he has probably covered the topic on this board or/and others.
 
With DNP, there's no evidence of infertility and no evidence of birth defects. There's research showing temporary menstrual irregularity in some women on DNP, but that's a far cry from permanent infertility. It's also hard to say how significant it is since menstrual irregularities are known to occur when women diet anyway.

The available evidence and history shows that DNP is NOT taratogenic (does not produce birth defects) and that DNP does NOT affect long-term fertility. An estimated 500,000 people took DNP for weight loss in the 1930's and the great majority of them were women. Birth defects and infertility were NOT noted in even a single case report. That's not to say DNP is decidedly and absolutely safe (for example, alcohol, which was eventually linked to FAS), but the evidence and history thus far does not indicate that it's dangerous in these regards. If DNP does cause infertility or birth defects, the incidence rate is so low that it has escaped all notice. My personal opinion is that "fried eggs" is the last thing a woman needs to worry about when taking DNP. The idea is based on theoretical wanking and doesn't stand on a shred of evidence. There's no reason to think that therapeutic doses of DNP would damage egg cells. Unfortunately, this idea is now being passed around like it's a fact. It's far from that.

Hope that helps,
Conciliator
 
Oh, and as for your original question, DNP does't have any androgenic actions like testosterone or other steroids. It won't have any effect on your hair. Nothing to worry about there.

The risks you should be aware of are cataracts, rash, and overdose (if you don't dose it properly).
 
Alright, thank you very much for the information.

I was planning on taking Benadryl every night if I start a cycle, and I was going to do 100 mg per day for 4 days, and if my temperature isn't going insane, bumping it up to 100 mg twice per day.
I'm planning on being as safe as possible.
 
With DNP, there's no evidence of infertility and no evidence of birth defects. There's research showing temporary menstrual irregularity in some women on DNP, but that's a far cry from permanent infertility. It's also hard to say how significant it is since menstrual irregularities are known to occur when women diet anyway.

The available evidence and history shows that DNP is NOT taratogenic (does not produce birth defects) and that DNP does NOT affect long-term fertility. An estimated 500,000 people took DNP for weight loss in the 1930's and the great majority of them were women. Birth defects and infertility were NOT noted in even a single case report. That's not to say DNP is decidedly and absolutely safe (for example, alcohol, which was eventually linked to FAS), but the evidence and history thus far does not indicate that it's dangerous in these regards. If DNP does cause infertility or birth defects, the incidence rate is so low that it has escaped all notice. My personal opinion is that "fried eggs" is the last thing a woman needs to worry about when taking DNP. The idea is based on theoretical wanking and doesn't stand on a shred of evidence. There's no reason to think that therapeutic doses of DNP would damage egg cells. Unfortunately, this idea is now being passed around like it's a fact. It's far from that.

Hope that helps,
Conciliator

Nice, now I know.

About the cataracts, is it normal to feel as if your vision is a little blurry when taking DNP? Almost like that phantom dust floating in your eyes...know what I mean? Just wondering..

Alright, thank you very much for the information.

I was planning on taking Benadryl every night if I start a cycle, and I was going to do 100 mg per day for 4 days, and if my temperature isn't going insane, bumping it up to 100 mg twice per day.
I'm planning on being as safe as possible.

Take the Benadryl if and when you need it. Also discontinue running DNP at that point, wait a few days and try again.
 
I usually get the little floaty guys in my eyes already, went to the eye doctor last week and he didn't say anything, the DNP hasn't made them worse.
I stopped the Benadryl, haven't been having a problem.
 
Wouldn't getting enough vitamins, especially a high dose of vitamin C and E, lower the risk of cataracts slightly anyways?

Maybe I'm missing something, but it's not that horrible if you do get cataracts. It's a simple, painless surgery to remove them.
I'll still try greatly to avoid getting them, but there are far worse things that could happen.
 
Wouldn't getting enough vitamins, especially a high dose of vitamin C and E, lower the risk of cataracts slightly anyways?

Maybe I'm missing something, but it's not that horrible if you do get cataracts. It's a simple, painless surgery to remove them.
I'll still try greatly to avoid getting them, but there are far worse things that could happen.
There's evidence supporting the idea that antioxidants might prevent DNP cataracts. Early research in the 1930's and 40's made a bunch of different hypotheses about the etiology. Some thought the cataracts were caused by oxygen deficiency and lactic acid buildup in anaerobic metabolism (which is predominant in the lens). Others thought it was because of interference with glycolysis. Some thought it was secondary to liver damage (which is not the case).

The best research came in the 1950's by Ogino and Yasukura. They found that guinea pigs fed a vitamin C deficient diet while on DNP developed cataracts, while those that were supplemented with vitamin C did not. As they explained, "In these experiments, it is clear that there is a close relationship between the production of cataract and vitamin-C deficiency." They then went on, though a series of fascinating steps, to isolate the cataractogenic metabolite of DNP (the chemical derived from DNP that can cause cataracts). They identified it as 2-amino-p-quinonimine. They found that the hydroxyl- and nitro-radicals of DNP in the p-position of the benzene ring are essential to the production of dinitrophenol cataract. There are various other cataractogenic agents that are similar quinoid substances.

Ogino and Yasukura said "This suggests that a genetic predisposition plays an important role in susceptibility to this cataract. This notion is strengthened by the fact that, in spite of extensive experiments of long duration by many authors, it has been found impossible to produce dinitrophenol cataract experimentally in various other species, namely, in rats, rabbits, guinea pigs, and dogs, although Bettman observed dinitrophenol cataract in a special strain of mice."

Another researcher, Rigdon, studied DNP-induced cataracts in chickens and turkeys in 1959. He said "of course, necrosis in any tissue may occur by different mechanisms. However, the similarity of the effect of DNP and deficiency of vitamin E on the lens may be significant."

Personally, I think those who developed cataracts either 1) had a genetic predisposition as Ogino and Yasukura hypothesized, 2) were vitamin C/E deficient, or 3) both. As I pointed out in another thread, vitamin C supplementation didn't make it big until Linus Pauling in the 70's. I think it's very possible that these people in the 1930's were eating unbalanced diets and had antioxidant deficiencies. IMO, vitamin C, vitamin E, and other antioxidants would be expected to reduce the incidence rate or even prevent cataracts altogether. The incidence is already low enough to begin with that I don't think any supplements are "mandatory" while taking DNP, but for those who are susceptible, for whatever reason, a normal dose of vitamin C and E might offer some insurance. In the 1930's, cataracts were estimated to occur at the rate of 1 in 1000.

Hope that helps,
Conciliator
 
The incidence is already low enough to begin with that I don't think any supplements are "mandatory" while taking DNP, but for those who are susceptible, for whatever reason, a normal dose of vitamin C and E might offer some insurance.

Hope that helps,
Conciliator

It's cool that you mention that Conc, I happen to be on my second run of DNP and I am tapering up my dose daily to hit my comfortable 400mg a day. Last time I went though all sorts of logs and walk throughs and pretty much took everything suggested along with my DNP and even added a few myself - substitutes if you will. This time I've decided to stick with the basics..this is stuff I would take with or without DNP..

Animal Pak - Vitamins
Animal Flex - Joints
Animal Omega - Fats
Creatine Monohydrate
1-2gal of Water
4-6 servings of fruit

I'm 3 days in, feel fine..

I have a question though, why do I feel better ON DNP than when not taking it? Like my work outs are better, I'm more focused.. Over all better feeling from better performance.. Is it a placebo effect? I'm one of those "theres a pill to fix that" kind of guys... It's almost like the DNP gives me a boost..

Last time I was taking all of that above, plus CLA, L-Carnitine, Green Tea Ext, Long Jack, Trib, SAM-e, White Flood (No2) and Purple Wrath (BCAA/EAA)..probably a few others I can't remember, this list looks short..
 
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I have a question though, why do I feel better ON DNP than when not taking it? Like my work outs are better, I'm more focused.. Over all better feeling from better performance.. Is it a placebo effect? I'm one of those "theres a pill to fix that" kind of guys... It's almost like the DNP gives me a boost..
WIth all the bitching that often accompanies a DNP cycle, it's surprising for a lot of people to hear that a "sense of well being" was one of the documented side effects in the 1930s human research on DNP. Bodybuilders have typically taken excessive doses with nasty side effects. At lower doses, however, a lot of people actually feel pretty good, even better than usual. While it's clear that this is something that occurs, your question is why, and it's a question there's not an answer for. One of my guesses is that has to do with vasodilation and increased blood flow throughout the body. It could also have to do with mitochondrial uncoupling in the brain, a reduction in insulin levels, something secondary to the increased metabolic rate, or something else entirely. We don't know why. Just enjoy the sense of well being while it lasts :)

Hope that helps,
Conciliator
 
Conciliator was a lifesaver for my DNP cycle, and provided me with answers to all my questions. My results were weird, as I am visibly much leaner (a la 3-4% bf) but my weight didn't drop but 5 pounds. I was on AAS at the time, and I can only think that I actually gained muscle mass while on DNP. Sounds crazy, but that is my story.
 
Conciliator was a lifesaver for my DNP cycle, and provided me with answers to all my questions. My results were weird, as I am visibly much leaner (a la 3-4% bf) but my weight didn't drop but 5 pounds. I was on AAS at the time, and I can only think that I actually gained muscle mass while on DNP. Sounds crazy, but that is my story.

That's pretty awesome; nice results. What was your diet like, and how were your workouts?
 
bumping this thread up.
Had a quick question to you guys::-
Have any of you ever experienced hair thinning (crown/vertex area on head) or loss on the body on or post-dnp cycles?

During and after my cycles, I tend to experience an accelerated rate of hair loss especially around the frontal and crown section. I'm not sure if its just the extreme heat (I normally sweat like a beast) or if the thyroid deficiencies are causing this. I have never supplemented with T3 while on a cycle and have regularly checked my levels showing no issues. Indeed, if it was a thyroid problem, the hair should surely grow back within a few months as is the case with temporary thyroid hair loss.
As a result of this, I've started on Propecia (Finasteride) to hault this loss and am trying to understand if it is safe to take with a dnp cycle.

Any of you with similar stories please chime in and enlighten me.

Thank you.
 
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