DNP Question (not working)

[cjayl]

I'm on my second DNP cycle and, I'm not losing weight.

For my first cycle I followed the 8 day regime that I've read about on a few forums. 200mg for four days then 400mg for the final four. Sensible balanced diet with a little cardio and moderate workouts. I lost 7 lbs by the 8th day and didn't lose any more weight after day 8.

I'm now on my 12th day of my second cycle and, I've been on 600mg for 6 days. I'd lost 4lbs by day 6 but, now it's been a week and I haven't lost a pound. I'm watching my diet. It's balanced and I'm not over eating.
I am sweating like crazy. Even while sitting (last night my AC was set to 62F with a big fan aimed at my head and I soaked the sheets with sweat).

And, I play tennis several times a week. I've noticed that some guys advise not to do cardio. Is that because of the threat of overheating? It seems that cardio would be good at helping the body use up the ATP. (assuming of course that you don't overheat or dehydrate, which I don't) thereby ultimately burning more fat.
I've read about needing carbs to help the ATP process. And I've also read about the need for pyruvate to help the citric acid/CREB process. Some guys have said that they eat candy to help the process to burn fat others, deplete their glycogen before the cycle and carbs moderate during cycle.
I've also read that T3 production may go down and would harm the fat burning process while others have said T3 is not crucial to the fat burning. Or, that t3 production may not be affected if fructose is consumed. (to help glycogen in liver) (I started eating 300 cals of pineapple today, hope it helps)

Some help in finding out what I could be doing wrong would help. It sucks to go through the torture of the cycle and not lose any fat. :-(

I suspected that I might get good water loss after the cycle. But, I didn't lose any weight after my first cycle. So, I'm not very convinced about it being that. Plus, after two weeks on a cycle like this I wouldn't think I'd lose that much water weight (8-14 lbs) after getting off the stuff. Also others are dropping a lot of weight while on it.
Some guys are reporting from 1/2 to (the rare) 1lb a day. I'd think I'd show some of it after a week on 600mg. That's why I'm thinking that I must be doing something wrong.
I figure it might be diet. I'm eating well. Brown rice veggies lean protein. whole wheat PBJ's, good cereal, skim milk. eggs and potato's etc. etc.
But, I'm not counting calories. I figure I'm eating about 3k-3.5k calories a day but, I could be off.
I haven't read very much, that has been very specific about diet and dnp. Most have said eat carbs (55%) but, no real strict calorie requirements (except one post that said that one should keep the diet at a maintenance level). To further my confusion I'm being more strict with my diet being clean and, not succumbing to the carb cravings that you get (i.e muffins and white flour) than I was the first time but, as I've said, I've been stuck at 198 for a week. :-(
I've also read conflicting stuff like, that you should eat a ton of carbs or, that I can eat chinese, candy and, other calorie laden foods and still lose weight.

Any useful advice from the likes of Conciliator and other experienced DNP'ers would be great.

Thanks

Very Confused Boy

 

[OhNoYo]

That's right. Your body becomes more inefficient at producing energy (APT) as a consequence of the uncoupling. What did I say that seemed to refute that? That it changes substrate oxidation in favor of fat? That would be a consequence of increasing metabolic rate by means of uncoupling. In his research, Simkins explained that "the respiratory quotient shows a considerable fall during dinitrophenol medication."

Indeed! Con, do researchers know why the MOA of why the body favors fat for energy and spares protein, or is that not well understood. When you think about it, nitrogen cleaved off skeletal muscle for the amino acids to be used for gluconeogenesis would seem to occur at a very high rate on DNP, but it doesn't...

 

[cjayl]

Thanks for all the replies. I think that there were several factors to my lack of weight loss.

First, I lost less and less weight during my cycles because, I didn't take at least two weeks off between DNP cycles. I base this on Con's post regarding the DNP study showing it's effectiveness dropping in some individuals and it's affect returning after laying off for 2 weeks.

Second, I did lose a couple of pounds the week after stopping the DNP. Actually, I lost another pound over the last week and I've been off for two weeks and not being too strict on the diet (although not stupidly unstrict)

Third, I probably needed to cut calories down more. I'm going to do a blitz 5 day cycle and try to keep calories down to 2k or less (1500 min)

As, for my junk. It is legit. I sourced and capped it myself. If you're panting and sweating like a pig in a 62F room with a big fan blowing on your bare body. You know you're good to go.

I'll update my progress on my next cycle.

Thanks Again

 

[OatsNhoes]

How much weight u loose

 

[dantank]

Bump for total weight loss, and for Conciliator.

 

[cjayl]

Well I just finished my 5 day blitz cycle 200mg for 1 day, 400mg for 1 day and then 800mg for 5 days. I averaged about 1760 calories a day while on. During my blitz I lost a total of one pound. So, I think that Con's right it must be water. There's no way I couldn't have lost more fat at that dose and calorie intake. I'll update after I've been off for two weeks to be sure it's out of my system.

BTW, I found that I slept better if I was able to take all of my doses before 3pm. It kept the night sweats from being as crazy (although you still sweat a lot). Also, I was taking my doses at 400mg twice daily and on my last day I took my first one late in the morn (11am) and my last at about 3:30pm (way too soon). MAN! did I suffer. I slept on and off for 15 hrs drank 3.5 gallons of water felt like crap and had a nasty headache for 36hrs.

After 5 cycles I've lost approximately 7, 5, 3, 2, 1 respectively. Again, I think Con is right about the water gain and I'll let you guys know how the blitz goes. But, the pound a day claims some have made haven't even come close to my results. The 3 lb cycle I did was for two weeks and I could've probably done that without the junk. But, maybe it kept the catabolism at bay and ultimately that'll benefit me long term with my metabolism.

 

[OatsNhoes]

Well I just finished my 5 day blitz cycle 200mg for 1 day, 400mg for 1 day and then 800mg for 5 days. I averaged about 1760 calories a day while on. During my blitz I lost a total of one pound. So, I think that Con's right it must be water. There's no way I couldn't have lost more fat at that dose and calorie intake. I'll update after I've been off for two weeks to be sure it's out of my system.

BTW, I found that I slept better if I was able to take all of my doses before 3pm. It kept the night sweats from being as crazy (although you still sweat a lot). Also, I was taking my doses at 400mg twice daily and on my last day I took my first one late in the morn (11am) and my last at about 3:30pm (way too soon). MAN! did I suffer. I slept on and off for 15 hrs drank 3.5 gallons of water felt like crap and had a nasty headache for 36hrs.

After 5 cycles I've lost approximately 7, 5, 3, 2, 1 respectively. Again, I think Con is right about the water gain and I'll let you guys know how the blitz goes. But, the pound a day claims some have made haven't even come close to my results. The 3 lb cycle I did was for two weeks and I could've probably done that without the junk. But, maybe it kept the catabolism at bay and ultimately that'll benefit me long term with my metabolism.

It sounds like ur doin it wrong.

 

[cjayl]

OnH, do explain. I'd love to know what I'm doing wrong.

 

[bigollie2006]

Well I just finished my 5 day blitz cycle 200mg for 1 day, 400mg for 1 day and then 800mg for 5 days. I averaged about 1760 calories a day while on. During my blitz I lost a total of one pound. So, I think that Con's right it must be water. There's no way I couldn't have lost more fat at that dose and calorie intake. I'll update after I've been off for two weeks to be sure it's out of my system.

BTW, I found that I slept better if I was able to take all of my doses before 3pm. It kept the night sweats from being as crazy (although you still sweat a lot). Also, I was taking my doses at 400mg twice daily and on my last day I took my first one late in the morn (11am) and my last at about 3:30pm (way too soon). MAN! did I suffer. I slept on and off for 15 hrs drank 3.5 gallons of water felt like crap and had a nasty headache for 36hrs.

After 5 cycles I've lost approximately 7, 5, 3, 2, 1 respectively. Again, I think Con is right about the water gain and I'll let you guys know how the blitz goes. But, the pound a day claims some have made haven't even come close to my results. The 3 lb cycle I did was for two weeks and I could've probably done that without the junk. But, maybe it kept the catabolism at bay and ultimately that'll benefit me long term with my metabolism.

1760 calories a day is still low and you probably would have lost weight anyways. I imagine you are holding water, I just dont see DNP NOT working unless what you got wasnt DNP or you literally are not doing ANYTHING. I lost 10 lbs eating alot more and exercising moderately for 2 weeks

 

[cjayl]

I agree, I must've lost weight (fat). My stuff is legit. As I said before, I sourced it myself so, I know it's real. I can say I wasn't doing my usual workout while at 800. I was sweating in my 62F house, in my underwear and a fan blowing on me. When I went out, I'd be sweating and panting like crazy. which was impossible to hide. I had a friend worry that I was having a heart attack . So, I was avoiding people a lot. In another week and a half I'll let you guys know the final weight loss. I've still got a few #'s to lose so, I'm gonna do another cycle. I'm thinking I'll do 200 to 400 a day for a couple of weeks and see how that works.

Again, any advice on how I can improve my results would be helpful.

 

[cjayl]

bigollie, how much were you taking? How much were you eating and working out? What are your body stats?

Just trying to figure out the best way to do this.

Thanks

 

[OhNoYo]

I agree, I must've lost weight (fat). My stuff is legit. As I said before, I sourced it myself so, I know it's real. I can say I wasn't doing my usual workout while at 800. I was sweating in my 62F house, in my underwear and a fan blowing on me. When I went out, I'd be sweating and panting like crazy. which was impossible to hide. I had a friend worry that I was having a heart attack . So, I was avoiding people a lot. In another week and a half I'll let you guys know the final weight loss. I've still got a few #'s to lose so, I'm gonna do another cycle. I'm thinking I'll do 200 to 400 a day for a couple of weeks and see how that works.

Again, any advice on how I can improve my results would be helpful.

I would say diet & exercise would be the best route to lose the last few pounds IMO, just because I consider DNP to be one of the most dangerous body composition compounds there are.