do all dhts cause hair loss?

[Deleted member 59947]

is there any evidence for how androgenic DHT derivatives are exactly? Just because they’re derived from DHT doesn’t mean they agonise the receptors to the same degree. There’s the anabolic to androgenic ratio table which can be found on Wikipedia, which doesn’t tell us much.

Is a molecule of proviron going to cause greater androgenic activity than a molecule of masteron?

Maybe some DHT derivatives have greater binding affinity for androgen receptors but only mildly agonise them. Maybe some are more androgenic than others mg per mg, but at maximum doses the reverse may be true. Maybe some have weak agonising effects, making them antagonists.

I don’t fucking know. Anyone got any ideas?

@mands to the rescue !

Tell em boy

 

[gynoflareup]

I’ve never understood why people dodge DHT for fears of hair loss.

If you’re genetically predisposed, then you’re gonna need your total androgenic activity at castrate levels to avoid balding. Basically fin and avoid DHT compounds and hope non-DHT androgens don’t cause balding on their own.

If you don’t take fin or something, you’re fighting a losing battle anyway. Dudes go bald with physiologically normal androgen levels. You’re fucked if you think youre safe by just not taking DHT derivatives.

And the problem is, you can spend 30 years dodging balding, but if you forget to take your fin, or you take a DHT derivative, you’ll lose all your hair as if you were never dodging balding in the first place.

Lemmie tell ya, your dick working well is far better than your hair. I’ve had my dick not work, I’ve had my dick work perfectly, I’ve had a shaved head, and I’ve had luscious locks. Bald with boners comes out on top every time. I can get pussy like whoah but if my dick doesn’t work what’s the point?

You can get a hair transplant. If you’re too bald for one of them, you can get a hair system. If you’re not a fan of hair systems, wait for hair cloning. But what you can’t get back is your dick.

Just my two cents. I’m not a doctor.

Cope

 

[HUGE McBIGLARGE]

Cope

lol how so?

 

[HUGE McBIGLARGE]

HT without FIN you will loose lot of result and donor area is finite
Unfortunately, not all transplanted hair is resistant to Dht and other possible reasons that can cause hair to fall out. I know a lot of people who had transplants and who didn't use finasteride and had a lot of hair loss, including transplanted hair. If you have hair loss, it will only be stabilized with medication. Hair transplantation can and in many cases accelerate native hair loss. That's what I've seen.
I already did it a few years ago, it make me at least 10 years younger.
A year after the transplant I started to have a lot of hair loss,( not steroids, no suplemnts not even training and thought may hair loss was kind stable now) looked like I was 18 years old again, there was hair everywhere, I lost a lot of density, both native and transplanted hair, but at least I m always better than before, in case I don't want to have another one , I can also do SMP which will be much better now having already done an HT.

this to say if started doing FIN before or right after HT probably maintain a lot of result or even improve .

i have friends that had better hair than me and , they have done HT 1or 2 years after mine, and know they are worst than me. some going for SMP others another HT but unfortunately, as long as they don't take fin/dut they will always lose a large part of the result and waste the donor area

it all depends on the person. I’ve seen men in their 80s who have receded but barely. Some guy from school hit 20 and started going bald. By 25 he was a Norwood 6. Some peeps get a HT and never take meds and they do fine.

I’m not saying a 5ARi isn’t necessary for some or even most people. I’m saying for some people they don’t need it. This assumes that you’re able to maintain aesthetic hair despite MPB progression, or that you have enough donor hair for more HTs, or that your MPB has plateaued.

If you do take a 5ARi, you’re stuck between taking it for life or coming off and losing all of the hair you’ve kept within a few months. And this is all assuming that non-DHT androgens can’t stimulate MPB anyway.

if you take a 5ARi you’re chancing side effects that some people report are semi-permanent, and if you come off it you lose all the hair you kept, and maybe you’ll go bald anyway from non-reduced androgens.

If you don’t take one, you’re chancing losing hair forever that you may be able to keep. If you get a HT maybe you’ll lose more hair and need to buzz it anyway.

So either way you’re taking chances and maybe you’re gonna feel shit either way.

 

[leepriest_doshapemontado]

it all depends on the person. I’ve seen men in their 80s who have receded but barely. Some guy from school hit 20 and started going bald. By 25 he was a Norwood 6. Some peeps get a HT and never take meds and they do fine.

I’m not saying a 5ARi isn’t necessary for some or even most people. I’m saying for some people they don’t need it. This assumes that you’re able to maintain aesthetic hair despite MPB progression, or that you have enough donor hair for more HTs, or that your MPB has plateaued.

If you do take a 5ARi, you’re stuck between taking it for life or coming off and losing all of the hair you’ve kept within a few months. And this is all assuming that non-DHT androgens can’t stimulate MPB anyway.

if you take a 5ARi you’re chancing side effects that some people report are semi-permanent, and if you come off it you lose all the hair you kept, and maybe you’ll go bald anyway from non-reduced androgens.

If you don’t take one, you’re chancing losing hair forever that you may be able to keep. If you get a HT maybe you’ll lose more hair and need to buzz it anyway.

So either way you’re taking chances and maybe you’re gonna feel shit either way.

pretty much that...

but lot of guys you are like norwood 3-4 in their 30s if then dont take AR5 after HT they will loose lot of results. also with age hair seems to be prone to fall even despite androgens decline

You have to weigh the pros and cons but the worst thing is having all the side effects acutely and not even keeping your hair LOL.
What I notice most is a bit of gyno and brain fog. libido and erections is still +/- the same.

for what i see in average you have donor area for 3 HT between 3.000 to 5.000 follicules,

 

[leepriest_doshapemontado]

Yeah right, pericarditis, pericardial effusion, cardiac tamponade, exacerbating congestive heart failure, and worsening angina

maybe in 20-60mg+ daily
not with 2.5-5mg daily

water retention, puffy eyes, dark circles and more bodyhair is expected

 

[Deleted member 59947]

maybe in 20-60mg+ daily
not with 2.5-5mg daily

water retention, puffy eyes, dark circles and more bodyhair is expected

You forgot racing heart rate, collagen synthesis collapse and irrational fears.

But you seem young, that's normal you weren't exhaustive in your side effect list

 

[leepriest_doshapemontado]

Guys i've noticed a weird thing lately.

So long story short, i was using minoxidil only since last year. October i started with 200 test, hopefully i was still losing the same amount of hair every day and no more, it was like 5-10 hair in the shower hair catcher.

In March i raised the test and added some primo, from day 1 i added a second dose minoxidil, RU and 2 times a week keto shampoo. Again, the amount of hair in the catcher was the same, 5-10 hair and i was assuming RU works because with primo didn't got any worse.

The fun part, 8-9 weeks ago i added anavar and now i have a pretty long time to clean the shower catcher from hair. I think i have to find hair up to 5-6 weeks. Is it because of the RU? Does it take that long to start working or something's going on with the anavar? It's weird. For the record the batch of anavar i'm using is tested twice and it's 100% legit.

Now i dropped RU and probably reduce keto to once a week and continue only with minoxidil as i'm going to cruise with test only.

hard to tell what ,it's difficult to say which specific compound is giving you hair loss because they all have the potential to do so, even more so all together. If you are prone to hairloss using several compounds at once will make loose hair
safestet for hair is Test + FIN OR DUT

Ru should start working after aplication, but I didn't really trust the RU, we don't know if it's really effective or if the RU you have is really good, most of the good results from the RU are with fin/dut together

 

[leepriest_doshapemontado]

You forgot racing heart rate, collagen synthesis collapse and irrational fears.

But you seem young, that's normal you weren't exhaustive in your side effect list

sadly not that young , ifeel young but aging is coming for me i already see it -lol. but some people dont give me more than 30. the HT also helped a lot ahahah

yes i forgot racing heart rate,, insomnia, headache, aging (collagen synthesis collapse) about racing heart yeah, but lots of things can be worst like smoking weed, preworkouts, pour hydration....

irrational fears?

 

[gynoflareup]

Guys i've noticed a weird thing lately.

So long story short, i was using minoxidil only since last year. October i started with 200 test, hopefully i was still losing the same amount of hair every day and no more, it was like 5-10 hair in the shower hair catcher.

In March i raised the test and added some primo, from day 1 i added a second dose minoxidil, RU and 2 times a week keto shampoo. Again, the amount of hair in the catcher was the same, 5-10 hair and i was assuming RU works because with primo didn't got any worse.

The fun part, 8-9 weeks ago i added anavar and now i have a pretty long time to clean the shower catcher from hair. I think i have to find hair up to 5-6 weeks. Is it because of the RU? Does it take that long to start working or something's going on with the anavar? It's weird. For the record the batch of anavar i'm using is tested twice and it's 100% legit.

Now i dropped RU and probably reduce keto to once a week and continue only with minoxidil as i'm going to cruise with test only.

Minoxidil works pretty well for me on var/test. I always add ru to be safe. Even with ru and minoxidil together mast still rapes my hairline. Almost went bald in the front so I dropped it.

lol how so?

DHTs just rape my hair regardless of using minoxidil or ru. Especially mast. If I go test only I seem to only lose hairs I normally would naturally.

 

[DugPrime]

However, topical minoxidil is messy and expensive

Huh, it shouldn't cost you over 5$ a month

 

[Ghoul]

Huh, it shouldn't cost you over 5$ a month

I'm taking about the retail foam.

IMO it's a retarded way to use Minox. One tiny tab eliminates the work, no chance of missing a spot, the potential you're not converting,makes a mess on your head, for what? To avoid going systemic? Get a good razor and shave off the extra body hair.

The only reason there's a foam at all is because Rogaine couldn't patent a 50 year old drug.