DO NOT START YOUR 1ST-CYCLE UNTIL YOU READ THIS!!!

[Regular Joe]

So you think you could have gotten the same results on 250mg's? I'm in no hurry to start but I'm back and forth on if I should run 300 or 500 test for my first cycle. Does anyone have any experience with around 250mgs for their first cycle?

I did and it worked great. I recommend getting bloods before you start. If you have low t it may not take much to help you out.

 

[Joetastic82]

Thanks for the advice. I was at a good starting point end of October then my diet fell off over the holidays. Abs are a little blurry right now. Getting my diet back on track. I want have a very lean start.

 

[Joetastic82]

I did and it worked great. I recommend getting bloods before you start. If you have low t it may not take much to help you out.

I just had labs done my test was just over 700.

 

[Blange89]

I've always thought it was wise to start your serm earlier, about a week after last pin. Sure, the serm may not be doing anything at first, and you have to run it longer, but once your test levels get low enough the serm will already be built up in your system and help bring your levels back to normal.

 

[MetalAsh]

Some decent basic advice.

I would add to it that before you start it's recommended you have been lifting / training for at least 1-2 years. First this is because ligaments, tendons and connective tissue will be strengthened through resistance training. A risk of steroid use is that strength of muscles grows at a much more rapid pace than tendon / ligament strength which may lead to injuries.

Second it helps a lot to actually know how your body responds to training stimulus and diet stimulus. If you try to increase strength, you can find what your body responds well to in terms of diet + training as you can measure strength performance quite easily. Putting anabolic steroids into the mix makes figuring out this process much harder. You will gain strength and muscle at a rapid pace when using regardless of your training or diet, as long as you eat enough + train enough you'll put it on. This however will make you hit a wall a lot earlier and you will likely not utilize proper training methodology and dieting when on cycle if you haven't really figured out how to do this yet naturally. The length of 1-2 years of training also makes it so that you know how to break through plateaus, how to bulk / cut and so on. This is all very useful for when you eventually start using AAS.

 

[Deleted member 59947]

Evening gents,

The purpose of this thread is to make an ALL-IN-ONE, consolidated list of important particulars for MESO members and non-members alike in reference to “things to think about before starting your first cycle of AAS.”

DISCLAIMER:

I am by no means an AAS specialist, quite the opposite. I recently finished my first cycle and made many mistakes along the way; some very serious and some very minor...but many nonetheless.

If this thread serves to save even 1% of first-timers from making the same mistakes that I made, then I would consider my efforts worthwhile! Feel free to add-on! (I’m sure I haven’t covered everything)

1. KEEP IT SIMPLE

Start with a small dose and stick with one, yes ONE compound(TEST IS BEST). I gained 35lbs(20lbs quality muscle) on my first cycle of 500mg’s of Testosterone Cypionate. I’m fully convinced that I could have obtained near-identical results from HALF of this dose(with the added benefit of having less side-effects)…but there's no telling now.

(While results will vary person-to-person based on a large variety of factors including-but-not-limited-to height, weight, age, diet, training, body composition, metabolic health, etc.)-You MAY NOT need a very large dose to achieve desirable results, despite what the “bros” on Reddit tell you.

On to running one compound; The last few weeks of my cycle I added several oral AAS simultaneously…this was a critical error. If serious health problems are to occur while you are on multiple compounds(as they did for me), you will have no way of identifying the problematic compound in any definitive manner. DO NOT presume to know how a certain compound will affect you based on the anecdotes of other people. You are not other people, you are you. Keep it simple.

2. DON’T START UNTIL YOU HAVE EVERYTHING ON HAND

Scrambling around last minute for proper PCT meds is as stressful as it is STUPID. I had no way of knowing that my PCT pack would get seized by customs. There is ALWAYS a risk of seizure associated with buying meds both internationally and domestically(no matter how small that risk may be). Sitting there with a seizure letter, crashed testosterone, and your dick in your hand is not a good position to be in.

Having your PCT meds and AI’s IN YOUR POSSESSION before taking your first dose of AAS is of the utmost importance; Don’t start until you have everything on hand.

3. DON’T CHEAP OUT

By now you know that pharmaceutical-grade PCT, AI’s, and other meds can be 2-3x(even 4x) more expensive than UGL-grade meds. Considering that your entire quality of life rests solely upon you being able to restore your natural hormone production post-cycle; paying the extra money is worth it to have legitimate and properly dosed medication. This should be fairly obvious. Don’t cheap out.

4. PRE-CYCLE BLOODWORK

I recently scheduled an appointment to get bloodwork so that I can determine whether or not my hormone production has fully recovered and returned to normal. There’s just one dilemma; I don’t know what “normal” is…because my know-it-all ass didn’t get pre-cycle bloodwork done.

*Shakes head in disappointment*

Luckily, I was able to dig up some partial bloodwork from a year prior by contacting and old doctor of mine, so at least I have some sort of reference range for my natural hormone production and other general health markers. But don’t be that idiot; Get pre-cycle bloodwork.

5. SHORT ESTERS

Keep in mind that if you use Testosterone Cypionate or Testosterone Enanthate(because of the elimination half-lives of these esters), you will have to wait 4-6 weeks after your last injection to start your PCT, and even longer (6-8 weeks) for Testosterone Undecylenate and other longer esters.

The 5 weeks that I had to wait before running my SERMS were some of the most grueling weeks I have every experienced in my lifetime, and the bouts of depression that I went through were very concerning to myself, my friends, and my family… to say the least.

While not everyone will be affected in this manner; YOU MAY save yourself a lot of trouble and avoid this crash completely by running shorter esters like Acetate, Propionate, or Phenylpropionate for the duration of your first cycle(This will make it possible for you to start your PCT 2-12 days after your last injection).

Another option is just switching to short esters for the last 4-6 weeks of your first cycle, depending on the former ester in question.

6. SLEEP ON IT, AND THEN SLEEP ON IT SOME MORE

I don’t regret running my first cycle of AAS at age 23. But, if I could do it over, I would’ve spent way more time(like years more) researching and expanding my knowledge of AAS before ever using. It certainly won’t kill you to wait a little while longer, having some patience and doing your due-diligence will only enhance the safety and efficacy of your first go-around with anabolic steroids.

If you’re my age(or younger), just ask yourself…Are you sure that you want to use AAS? Are you really sure? You better be just as sure of it as you are sure that the sky is blue. Have you done enough research? Are there gaps in your knowledge? Can you make more natural progress? No? How do you know that? Have you increased your caloric intake significantly?

Sleep on it, and then sleep on it some more.

Even better: don't start until you've made peace with the fact that the only way to go is to blast and cruise, and with the fact that a PCT isn't more effective at restarting you than just waiting it out until your natural production recovers (if you have made the decision to use gear infrequently twice a year and go through the hassle of ingesting toxic PCT meds).

Broderick Chavez and Alex Kikel have both explained that among their hundreds of clients a PCT has never been more effective than just waiting until your natural production recovers (providing you have been careful enough to maintain testicular activity by using HCG and/or HMG).

 

[Trenbologna]

Some good rules of thumb to follow, but my pessimistic mind can't help but think your target audience won't take the time to thoroughly read it because that would take precious minutes away from them frantically searching the first post of every source on the first page for an email address.

I tried to pay attention but I was also blending a tren, sdrol, halo, cheque drop ice smoothie. I got as far as
"I am by no means an AAS specialist"
then I had to chug my smoothie before the ice melted. Pretty sure that was the gist of it tho.

 

[Rido]

No thanks bro, I know what I am doing. I have been taking creatine for years

 

[Trenbologna]

No thanks bro, I know what I am doing. I have been taking creatine for years

I will never argue with boobies like that. Creatine. Is. Amazing.