Do you know what you are injecting when using an underground lab? (Graphic Video)

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Underground labs are commonly used by guys/gals who administer steroids. UGL’s are usually inexpensive and there are plenty to choose from. However there are many inherent risks when using UGL’s. These labs do not have to follow any Good Manufacturing Practices and many times are totally unregulated. Pain, swelling and redness at an injection site may be signs of improperly assembled medicines. If sterile practices are not followed you may also end up with an infection leading to an abscess. Additionally you may be injecting the wrong dose or a completely different medicine altogether. When you examine a product it should not contain any sediment or turbidity. Steroids made in an UGL may also contain harmful contaminants like heavy metals such as lead, tin, mercury, and/or arsenic.

Usually heavy metals are common in chemical-manufacturing operations, but are normally removed through very careful product assembly and purification steps. They are sometimes found in UGL products because the raw materials used to make some of these steroids was simply made “cheaply”, without the expense needed to hit true drug-grade purity.

In many Countries its legal to manufacture steroids therefore there should be no reason that a company would conceal how the medicines are made. In the United States we have many manufacturers who have production videos and pictures showing how medicines are assembled in sterile conditions. Watson and Eli Lilly freely let us view their manufacturing processes. We get to see with our own eyes the sterile conditions.

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Why do so many UGL’s conceal how their products are made? I don’t need an address or any private sensitive information about these labs but why not snap a picture of the equipment and let us see how the products we inject are being assembled? The reason is obvious. Many UGL’s are in such poor condition that they don’t want us to see them. They sometimes throw together the medicines in dark garages, small dirty apartments or other non-sterile clandestine locations.

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Some UGL’s go to great lengths to make their packaging look professional so just looking at the product is not enough to determine purity however there are some tell tail signs to look out for.

The first thing I look for is the crimp ring on the stopper. If it was done in a factory it usually will be very uniform however if it has been crimped by hand you know it was likely done outside a factory where zero sterile practices are regulated. For all you know, the person making your batch may have just used the bathroom and not washed their hands or even if they have followed sterile practices they likely have no way of testing the purity of the raw materials. It’s unlikely they have a mass spectrometer lying around to determine powder purity. Therefore, even the best home labs may be making contaminated products.

The next thing I look for is turbidity in the solution. If there is any detectable sediment or cloudiness the product was likely not filtered properly or it was improperly suspended. Look for moisture and crystals in the solution as well. There should be none in oil based products.

Finally, I inspect the packaging. If labels are put on crooked or words are misspelled this shows a level of carelessness. How can you trust a lab that does not know how to spell or apply a label correctly? Bad packaging practices many times equals bad product.

Good manufacturing practice
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Good manufacturing practice" or "GMP" is part of a quality system covering the manufacture and testing of pharmaceutical dosage forms or drugs and active pharmaceutical ingredients, diagnostics, foods, pharmaceutical products, and medical devices. GMPs are guidelines that outline the aspects of production and testing that can impact the quality of a product. Many countries have legislated that pharmaceutical and medical device companies must follow GMP procedures, and have created their own GMP guidelines that correspond with their legislation, basic concepts of all these guidelines remains more or less similar that is ultimate goal to produce a good quality medicine or medical devices or active pharmaceutical products.

Although there are a number of them, all guidelines follow a few basic principles.

~Manufacturing processes are clearly defined and controlled. All critical processes are validated to ensure consistency and compliance with specifications.
~Manufacturing processes are controlled, and any changes to the process are evaluated. Changes that have an impact on the quality of the drug are validated as necessary.
~Instructions and procedures are written in clear and unambiguous language. (Good Documentation Practices)
~Operators are trained to carry out and document procedures.
~Records are made, manually or by instruments, during manufacture that demonstrate that all the steps required by the defined procedures and instructions were in fact taken and that the quantity and quality of the drug was as expected. Deviations are investigated and documented.
~Records of manufacture (including distribution) that enable the complete history of a batch to be traced are retained in a comprehensible and accessible form.
~The distribution of the drugs minimizes any risk to their quality.
~A system is available for recalling any batch of drug from sale or supply.
~Complaints about marketed drugs are examined, the causes of quality defects are investigated, and appropriate measures are taken with respect to the defective drugs and to prevent recurrence.

GMP guidelines are not prescriptive instructions on how to manufacture products. They are a series of general principles that must be observed during manufacturing. When a company is setting up its quality program and manufacturing process, there may be many ways it can fulfill GMP requirements. It is the company's responsibility to determine the most effective and efficient quality process.

For more info click here;

Good manufacturing practice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The bottom line is we all need to look out for our own health. Injecting random products from unknown labs is dangerous and has many inherent risks. If a products price is too good to be true, pause before you buy. You usually get what you pay for. Overhead in a regulated facility costs money. Overhead in a Chinese hut with a dirt floor costs next to nothing…

~heavyiron
 

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9 times out of 10 infection, etc comes from not using sterile needles and using sterile injection methods...not the actual product being injected...
Just saying.
 
9 times out of 10 infection, etc comes from not using sterile needles and using sterile injection methods...not the actual product being injected...
Just saying.

+1 Those look like infections, to me.

Those pics make me want to hurl. I bet that ooze smells like death.
 
Here is an article that shows 1 in 5 UGL's tested had toxic heavy metals present in the products. These unregulated labs are slowly poisoning unsuspecting users.

Are Steroids from Underground Labs Contaminated with Toxic Metals?
Don Hooton - Friday, August 14, 2009

Although this article from Mesomorphosis.com was posted last year, the information is so important that I thought it important (critical) to share with you on our site again. For those youth that are visiting our site to learn the truth about anabolic steroids, it is crucial that you understand what it is that you are REALLY putting into your body when you acquire your anabolic steroids.

The information in this article should scare everyone!

Don

Most bodybuilders who use anabolic steroids manufactured by underground labs (UGLs) in the United States are primarily concerned with whether or not the product is accurately dosed with the anabolic steroid listed on the label. Some more health conscious steroid users are also concerned about potential health risks arising from the contamination of UGL steroid products with bateria and/or heavy metals. Fortunately, bacterial contamination is not a common problem since most UGLs effectively sterilize the product by adding ingredients such as benzyl alcohol, etc. However, few people have actually considered the potential toxicity of using anabolic steroids contaminated with heavy metals. Given that most of the steroid powder is illicitly imported from China, the possibility of contamination with lead, tin, mercury, arsenic, etc. is a real possibility.

William Llewellyn, author of the authoritative Anabolics 2007 and editor of Body of Science, recently completed a project designed to help consumers of UGL anabolic steroids to better assess the degree of toxic heavy metal contamination in underground steroids.

A total of 14 underground steroid samples were selected for laboratory testing, which included products from Amplio Labs, British Dragon, Diamond Pharma, Generic Anabolics, Generic Pharma, Lizard Laboratories, Medical Inc., Microbiological Labs, Nordic Supplements, Shark Laboratories, SWE Supplements, and Troy Labs. Included in this list were drugs that were made from small underground manufacturers, mid-level operations, and even producers large enough to have their items assembled under contract by drug manufacturing facilities. All 14 samples were analyzed at a registered and licensed facility in the U.S.​

The results of the heavy metals tests revealed that 21% of anabolic steroid products from underground labs were contaminated with toxic heavy metals.

William Llewellyn also examined whether the “actual dosage” of anabolic steroids in the UGL products approximately “label claims” of stated ingredient. He tested 1 methandrostenolone product, 2 testosterone enanthate products, 1 testosterone propionate product, 2 boldenone undecylenate products, 3 testosterone cypionate products, 1 trenbolone hexahydro product, 1 trenbolone enanthate product, 1 nandrolone decanoate product and 2 methenolone enanthate products.

The quality control of the UGL steroids was terrible. Results revealed that 64% of the UGL steroids did not meet label claims either underdosed or overdosed by greater than 20%. Most were slightly underdosed, one contained no active ingredients, and a few were significantly overdose (by as much as 459%)! Additional information is available on the Body of Science website.​
 
I'm assuming the Don Hooten who wrote the above article is the same Don Hooten interviewed in the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster", and whose congressional testimony was instrumental in having AAS criminalized. I find this ironic in as much as most of the danger faced by AAS users now are the result of their manufacture being driven underground and beyond normal manufacturing safety standards. This criminal status also negates the possibility of adequate medical supervision.So yeah, thanks for the heads up.
 
I've wondered if it might not be good practice, when in posession of a potentially hinky injectible,to do a small Sub Q injection first. Obviously this wouldn't predict heavy metal contamination, only bacterial, but I'd rather have a small SubQ abcess than a big IM one. Does this make sense?
 
I've seen this vid on the net for years. I've done two cycles. Both of them were using UGL stuff and had no problems what so ever.

I get what you're saying. Some UGL's are sketchy. That doesn't mean that all of them are.....
 
9 times out of 10 infection, etc comes from not using sterile needles and using sterile injection methods...not the actual product being injected...
Just saying.

Sterile injection techniques are critically important for safe IM administration. Thank you for bringing this up.
 
I'm assuming the Don Hooten who wrote the above article is the same Don Hooten interviewed in the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster", and whose congressional testimony was instrumental in having AAS criminalized. I find this ironic in as much as most of the danger faced by AAS users now are the result of their manufacture being driven underground and beyond normal manufacturing safety standards. This criminal status also negates the possibility of adequate medical supervision.So yeah, thanks for the heads up.

I agree, I believe all men and women for that matter should have access to clean, properly dosed, legal hormones. I'm fortunate to have a Urologist who prescribes me Testosterone but I would love to see a day when all adults can have access to legal hormones. Unfortunately my doc cannot prescribe me other steroids so I am forced to use alternative routes.

Its amazing to me that we can have cosmetic surgery legally in the US but its a felony to use steroids to look and feel better. Like you posted, it is ironic but I think its even worse. Its an assault on our freedoms.
 
I've seen this vid on the net for years. I've done two cycles. Both of them were using UGL stuff and had no problems what so ever.

I get what you're saying. Some UGL's are sketchy. That doesn't mean that all of them are.....

True, there are some good UGL's.

I have done 30 cycles or so. I don't really cycle anymore because I just stay on but over the 10+ years of steroid use (this has been on and off over a 24 year period not constant use) I have only had problems a few times. One time the pain, swelling, redness and fevers were quite severe. I injected several ml over several days and every single inject was terribly bad. Alinshop made a 450mg/ml product years ago called Supertest. It was absolute pain in a syringe. It was crippling a few days after the pin. Complete garbage.
 
I'm assuming the Don Hooten who wrote the above article is the same Don Hooten interviewed in the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster", and whose congressional testimony was instrumental in having AAS criminalized. I find this ironic in as much as most of the danger faced by AAS users now are the result of their manufacture being driven underground and beyond normal manufacturing safety standards. This criminal status also negates the possibility of adequate medical supervision.So yeah, thanks for the heads up.

Actually, I wrote that article. Hooton reposted it. It refers to toxic metal testing done by William Llewellyn.

The article in its original context appears here:

 
People, and even those who have no vested financial interest, are generally very defensive of their favorite underground labs (UGLs). This is usually based on their own personal experiences with the UGL brand in question. If a person does repeated cycles with products from a specific UGL and has great results with no pain/infection from injection, then they logically conclude the UGL is reputable with quality products.

Guess what? This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with quality control. It just means that the product has an acceptable amount of active ingredient in it with enough benzyl alcohol to eliminate any microbial contamination.

There is a lot more to pharmaceutical quality control than this...

However, most consumers aren't more demanding than this - they just want a product that will give them results.

Everyone is happy.

Regarding toxic metal contamination, most people don't really care. It doesn't hamper gains, it doesn't cause noticeable or immediate problems and, unless they are using massive amounts of the steroid long-term, probably won't ever cause noticeable problems.

All things being equal, I think only an idiot would prefer a UGL over a real pharmaceutical steroid.

In the real world, all things aren't equal. Real pharmaceutical steroids aren't easily and readily available on the black market. If they are, they can't compete with the price points of UGLs. The further criminalized AAS steroids become, the greater number of people will resort to UGL steroids.

They effectively satisfy a strong demand in the given environment for better or worse.
 
People, and even those who have no vested financial interest, are generally very defensive of their favorite underground labs (UGLs). This is usually based on their own personal experiences with the UGL brand in question. If a person does repeated cycles with products from a specific UGL and has great results with no pain/infection from injection, then they logically conclude the UGL is reputable with quality products.

Guess what? This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with quality control. It just means that the product has an acceptable amount of active ingredient in it with enough benzyl alcohol to eliminate any microbial contamination.

There is a lot more to pharmaceutical quality control than this...

However, most consumers aren't more demanding than this - they just want a product that will give them results.

Everyone is happy.

Regarding toxic metal contamination, most people don't really care. It doesn't hamper gains, it doesn't cause noticeable or immediate problems and, unless they are using massive amounts of the steroid long-term, probably won't ever cause noticeable problems.

All things being equal, I think only an idiot would prefer a UGL over a real pharmaceutical steroid.

In the real world, all things aren't equal. Real pharmaceutical steroids aren't easily and readily available on the black market. If they are, they can't compete with the price points of UGLs. The further criminalized AAS steroids become, the greater number of people will resort to UGL steroids.

They effectively satisfy a strong demand in the given environment for better or worse.

Except that human grade stuff is so often faked, most would rather buy UGL and more than likely get real, good quality product.
 
Except that human grade stuff is so often faked, most would rather buy UGL and more than likely get real, good quality product.

All things being equal does NOT mean one is real and one is fake.
 
Actually, I wrote that article. Hooton reposted it. It refers to toxic metal testing done by William Llewellyn.

The article in its original context appears here:


Thank you,

I was unaware you were the original author of the heavy metal article or I would have given you credit. I did however verify that Llewellyn actually came to the conclusions in the article before I posted it though.
 
Thank you,

I was unaware you were the original author of the heavy metal article or I would have given you credit. I did however verify that Llewellyn actually came to the conclusions in the article before I posted it though.

I just summed up Llewellyn's findings, Hooton thought enough to repost, leading you to repost it as well.

It's great to see the information get out there. It's all good!
 
True, there are some good UGL's.

I have done 30 cycles or so. I don't really cycle anymore because I just stay on but over the 10+ years of steroid use (this has been on and off over a 24 year period not constant use) I have only had problems a few times. One time the pain, swelling, redness and fevers were quite severe. I injected several ml over several days and every single inject was terribly bad. Alinshop made a 450mg/ml product years ago called Supertest. It was absolute pain in a syringe. It was crippling a few days after the pin. Complete garbage.

I have used the 450 Supertest....it's literally the most crippling thing I have ever used. It def worked but christ I couldn't walk, sit down, lift my shoulders for weeks. Still, I have never had an infection from an UGL. Lots of labs practice brewing methods that add to pain and swelling such as high BA content but I agree that most infections come from poor injection techniques and sterility. You want to cut back on the risk of bacteria then brew your own gear. This still isn't going to eliminate the possiblity that the powder you get isnt tainted but still probably safer unless you're careless.
 
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