doc visit

[chiseled21]

Hello Board,
I have been reading meso for some time but do not post very much. I am currently running Test 250 at 500 per week and Deca at 300 a week. I asked my doctor about a blood test and he asked "have you been taking injectable steroids or DHEA". I replied no and stated that I have been running prohormones and wanted a blood test to be safe. I have an appt. to get checked in the next couple of days. My question is when he notices my testosterone levels elevated will he accuse me of using injectabel steroids and mark my medical record. I want to be safe by getting a blood test but do not want my insurance company to flag me as a drug abuser.

 

[Sack]

Hello Board,
I have been reading meso for some time but do not post very much. I am currently running Test 250 at 500 per week and Deca at 300 a week. I asked my doctor about a blood test and he asked "have you been taking injectable steroids or DHEA". I replied no and stated that I have been running prohormones and wanted a blood test to be safe. I have an appt. to get checked in the next couple of days. My question is when he notices my testosterone levels elevated will he accuse me of using injectabel steroids and mark my medical record. I want to be safe by getting a blood test but do not want my insurance company to flag me as a drug abuser.

YOU MUST TELL HIM THAT YOU ARE USING STEROIDS. TELL HIM EVERYTHING, HE HAS TO KEEP IT A SECRET IT IS THE LAW. I TELL MY DOC EVERYTHING AND HE MONOTORS ME YEAR ROUND AND EVEN PRESCRIBED ME HCG WHEN I COULDNT GET IT. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM W INSURANCE. IF YOU DONT TRUST THIS DOC, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

 

[jaysmithinwesson]

YOU MUST TELL HIM THAT YOU ARE USING STEROIDS. TELL HIM EVERYTHING, HE HAS TO KEEP IT A SECRET IT IS THE LAW. I TELL MY DOC EVERYTHING AND HE MONOTORS ME YEAR ROUND AND EVEN PRESCRIBED ME HCG WHEN I COULDNT GET IT. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM W INSURANCE. IF YOU DONT TRUST THIS DOC, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

i agree. but i get my blood work before and after cycle to make sure every thing is normal. or i wont start or fix what went wrong if not norm at end of pct.

 

[cvguy]

yeah, you gotta tell your doc everything. These docs have heard it all. Don't think you're gonna shock him/her by saying that you stick a needle in your butt every few days. These are people who have pulled lightbulbs out of people's rectums while on ER rotation and other REALLY strange things.

 

[chiseled21]

Thanks for the quick response. I too would prefer to get blood testing done before and after cycle. I need to get a blood test in regards to a bacterial infection so I figured I may as well ask to have everything else checked while they were taking my blood. I don't know how much I truct thsi doc( I have only been to him a few times). I truly would rather tell the Doc everything but at the same time I do not want him to assume that every illness that comes along is some how AS related. EX. Some time 20 yrs down the road my kidneys or liver start having major issues. I could easily imagine a doctor assuming that it is some how AS related.

 

[Bob Smith]

I disagree with the rest of these guys. Unless you know what your docs response is going to be, then keep your mouth shut. Stick to your prohormones response. Once you open your mouth, you will have STEROIDS on your medical records for the rest of your life. Insurance companies dont usually look at that too fondly.

Unless your test results come back WAY out of line, I would stay quiet.

 

[Bob Smith]

Also, check out www.allthingsmale.com and see if he is still taking AAS clients. He is one of our Mods and is willing to work with AAS athletes to ensure their health.

 

[chiseled21]

Hey Bob I apprieciate your response, I agree that their could be some negative implications down the road if AS use is on my record. What is my course of action when the Doc asks why my free floating testerone is so high. If I say that all I have taken is Pro-hormones will this end the conversation about my AS use. Is he aware that OTC pro-hormones are not capable of shutting down the HTPA and causing such a large spike in testosterone.
Thanks

 

[Bob Smith]

PH can shut down HPTA and cause spikes in testosterone.

Read here for more info. http://www.ergopharm.com/

 

[chiseled21]

Thanks again Bob,
So given the info on the ergopharm website if my Tes levels come up very elevated and my HTPA is shut down all I need to say is that it was the Pro-hormones and the doc will not pursue it further.Sorry for all the questions, I just want to be as safe as possible medically and legally. Will the nandralone deconate raise any other flags or will that not be something that will be looked for during the test. The blood test so far is to check my lipid profile, liver function, kidney function, endogenous(sp?) testerone, and free floating testosterone. BTW My last visit to the Doc when discussing working out juice was not even brought up. This time I am 6' 210 pounds and lean. The last time I was only 185.

 

[Bob Smith]

Your doc may question you, but just stick with the PH response. There are some effective PHs out there, so its entirely posssible that you gained it all from that along with good training and proper nutrition.

What was the time frame between when you were 185 and now?

 

[chiseled21]

I weighed 185 a little over a year ago, each pound put on is a struggle but is typically a good lean pound. My metabolism is very fast, the only way truly to break the plateau I was at 3 months ago(195) was to carb load every third day rather than once a week. 185 is where I was stuck a couple of years ago when I decided to begin cycling. My cycles have never been large doses, I feel juice is just a supplement to increase protein synthesis and recovery time. I shoot twice weekly (tues and fri). Do you feel that I should have the blood drawn on a monday in hopes that my free floating testoterone will be at their lowest(the day before a shot) or will this not make a difference.

 

[demeurj]

I disagree with the rest of these guys. Unless you know what your docs response is going to be, then keep your mouth shut. Stick to your prohormones response. Once you open your mouth, you will have STEROIDS on your medical records for the rest of your life. Insurance companies dont usually look at that too fondly.

Unless your test results come back WAY out of line, I would stay quiet.

Bob is a stud but I have to disagree with him. If you have a long term relationship with this doctor, you should tell him the truth and request that he not enter it into your medical record. Here's why:

1) Patients lie all the damn time . . . the rule of three (multiply whatever a patient claims their alcohol consumption is by 3). It's much easier to provide quality care when less time is spent with detective work trying to sort out the story.

2) There's MUCH more (albeit still deficient) known about AAS than prohormones. In the unlikely case that something goes wrong . . . the doctor has a fighting chance of solution . . . instead of operating on your lie.

3) Patients have all kinds of habits that make our job harder. Smoking sux, alcohol consumption generally sux, excess recreational drug use sux, sedentary lifestyles, promiscuous unprotected sex, lack of sleep, poor diets . . . ad nauseum. Some of those activities are illegal others are just dumb but all of them affect your health status. IMHO most doctors would prefer a patient with a good diet, vigorous exercise program (including cardio), and getting plenty of sleep . . . even if s/he does the occasional cycle.

4) If this guy cannot handle the truth you need a more compassionate doctor anyway. It's our job to facilitate good health through the prevention and THEN intervention in the disease process. But this guy ain't your momma. It's your right to treat your body pretty much however you like (within certain limits of the law). If you are doing so responsibly, IMHO most decent doctors will respect your choice.

Edit: Now physicians do have the right to deny care but as above . . . any doctor that denies care b/c you chose to tell him the truth . . . isn't worth having.