Does a cruise dose fail a doping test?

[Spideog]

Unethical question but for good reason. I plan on entirely quitting my steroid usage but I know that PCT can be complete hell. 6 weeks of a SERM sounds like hell, on top of an AI and rebounding test levels. If there is a way of staying on TRT and just that I would choose this.

I’ve been shortlisted to fight international with Judo and I don’t want to mess it up due to testing positive. In fairness high dosages of gear actually harm performance in a very negative way. I’ve been cruising for a while now. I found zero benefit from juice for helping my judo skills. I got heavier so it made me face harder opponents so made it much more difficult in a way.

 

[laclark89]

no one supports cheating here bro.

High doses may harm u but I never had any performance issues on 200-500mg test.
Its when u have to much mass it consumes too much oxygen.

Imo if you get legit trt that u need say 140-200mg test it's not cheating and stay under say 1,100 test levels I think all athletes should be able to do it. I think most do actually. Minus ufc nowdays.

 

[Sector]

I don't have experience with doping tests, the types of tests they would perform, or how detailed the tests would be, so I dont want to talk out of my ass and give you bad advice, but I found this article very interesting and helpful where even trace amounts of exogenous nandrolones or clenbuterol led to athletes disqualifications

Are doping tests in sports trustworthy? Athletes suffer from insufficiently defined criteria for doping tests - PMC

The lack of clearly defined criteria for doping tests carries a great risk of punishing innocent athletes and undermines the fight against doping in international sports. Subject Categories: Economics, Law & Politics; Methods & Resources

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I would imagine that real doping tests would be much more intricate and complicated than just taking a bloodwork panel and comparison testosterone levels against an acceptable reference range, otherwise every male Olympic and professional athlete would be on trt and around 900-1100 testosterone, and people seem to get popped all the time taking substances far less beneficial than anabolics so it seems like the testing is more detailed than just a standard hormone panel, and they test for a specific list of banned substances created by a regulatory authority. Even then exogenous testosterone could affect your hormones panel in a way which clearly indicates that exogenous testosterone is being used, perhaps through SHBG or some other metric or mechanism that I'm not familiar with. I'm not a medical professional though, so I'd probably wait for someone else to chime in that is more familiar with doping tests

 

[laclark89]

I don't have experience with doping tests, the types of tests they would perform, or how detailed the tests would be, so I dont want to talk out of my ass and give you bad advice, but I found this article very interesting and helpful where even trace amounts of exogenous nandrolones or clenbuterol led to athletes disqualifications

Are doping tests in sports trustworthy? Athletes suffer from insufficiently defined criteria for doping tests - PMC

The lack of clearly defined criteria for doping tests carries a great risk of punishing innocent athletes and undermines the fight against doping in international sports. Subject Categories: Economics, Law & Politics; Methods & Resources

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I would imagine that real doping tests would be much more intricate and complicated than just taking a bloodwork panel and comparison testosterone levels against an acceptable reference range, otherwise every male Olympic and professional athlete would be on trt and around 900-1100 testosterone, and people seem to get popped all the time taking substances far less beneficial than anabolics so it seems like the testing is more detailed than just a standard hormone panel, and they test for a specific list of banned substances created by a regulatory authority. Even then exogenous testosterone could affect your hormones panel in a way which clearly indicates that exogenous testosterone is being used, perhaps through SHBG or some other metric or mechanism that I'm not familiar with. I'm not a medical professional though, so I'd probably wait for someone else to chime in that is more familiar with doping tests

That's part of the reason I don't cheat.

If some els was really knowledgeable on passing a test for a tested event I highly doubt they would be giving that for free on this thread, no one any good anyway.

I highly doubt this dude is going to do judo in the olympics lol no disrespect.

It depends the sport federation ect. Most sports I'm sure u can get a dr. Note for trt.

 

[Sector]

That's part of the reason I don't cheat.

If some els was really knowledgeable on passing a test for a tested event I highly doubt they would be giving that for free on this thread, no one any good anyway.

I highly doubt this dude is going to do judo in the olympics lol no disrespect.

It depends the sport federation ect. Most sports I'm sure u can get a dr. Note for trt.

Yeah it really depends on the agency governing the doping tests and what their rules are. Im sure it varies country to country, or by international standards. The people performing the tests are medical professionals too, more than likely experienced in their field, probably decently smart. They might have methods for detecting things that we don't fully understand the mechanisms behind (or atleast that I personally don't understand the mechanisms behind, which is why im deferring to someone else). I just found the article interesting

 

[Sector]

@readalot @Type-IIx

 

[readalot]

cruising

staying on TRT

Which is it? Actually doesn't matter.

Do you have or will you apply for a TUE?

If not and if this is international competition with WADA testing it will be quite easy to pop you. Very simple with current testing methods.

Even using Natesto will get you caught with WADA testing.

Official Natesto Thread

Whole thesis worth a browse but chapter 3 is pertinent to this thread plus some tips on proper administration in the discussion. Chapter 1 a nice review if you want more background. Long story short, you probably aren't beating a WADA test on Natesto unless you know what you are doing (purely...

www.excelmale.com

Professional Athletes on TRT?

Does anybody on here know of any professional athletes that are on TRT in the MLB, NFL, NHL, or NBA? What if an athlete all of sudden was diagnosed with low testosterone in the middle of his career or suffered an injury to his testicles that caused him to have low testosterone. Would they be...

www.excelmale.com

This last one is some reading. Don't skimp on the links.

Sprinter Here

When I hear sprinter, I think stanozolol However, I rec staying natural and adding some creatine and caffeine

thinksteroids.com

 

[Astartes]

Unethical question but for good reason. I plan on entirely quitting my steroid usage but I know that PCT can be complete hell. 6 weeks of a SERM sounds like hell, on top of an AI and rebounding test levels. If there is a way of staying on TRT and just that I would choose this.

I’ve been shortlisted to fight international with Judo and I don’t want to mess it up due to testing positive. In fairness high dosages of gear actually harm performance in a very negative way. I’ve been cruising for a while now. I found zero benefit from juice for helping my judo skills. I got heavier so it made me face harder opponents so made it much more difficult in a way.

Yes

 

[readalot]

@readalot @Type-IIx

Update on Bolus: A Practical and Reference Guide... (within 1 Mo.) & Article: Combined RhGH and GLP-1 Agonist: Rationales and Practical Use for Recomp

i am eagerly waiting for the new book by @Type-IIx !

thinksteroids.com

 

[Type-IIx]

No trainer or coach is smarter than the chemists whose work bolsters the international community's antidoping policies. @PeterBond has shared pertinent data on this topic. My stance is that doping is unethical and against the rules so I don't aid or abet it.

 

[Spideog]

No trainer or coach is smarter than the chemists whose work bolsters the international community's antidoping policies. @PeterBond has shared pertinent data on this topic. My stance is that doping is unethical and against the rules so I don't aid or abet it.

I’m the same way. Although I’m going to be honest a lot of people especially in combat sports are 100% on it.

 

[Spideog]

Which is it? Actually doesn't matter.

Do you have or will you apply for a TUE?

If not and if this is international competition with WADA testing it will be quite easy to pop you. Very simple with current testing methods.

Even using Natesto will get you caught with WADA testing.

Official Natesto Thread

Whole thesis worth a browse but chapter 3 is pertinent to this thread plus some tips on proper administration in the discussion. Chapter 1 a nice review if you want more background. Long story short, you probably aren't beating a WADA test on Natesto unless you know what you are doing (purely...

www.excelmale.com

Professional Athletes on TRT?

Does anybody on here know of any professional athletes that are on TRT in the MLB, NFL, NHL, or NBA? What if an athlete all of sudden was diagnosed with low testosterone in the middle of his career or suffered an injury to his testicles that caused him to have low testosterone. Would they be...

www.excelmale.com

This last one is some reading. Don't skimp on the links.

Sprinter Here

When I hear sprinter, I think stanozolol However, I rec staying natural and adding some creatine and caffeine

thinksteroids.com

Very helpful, thank you.

 

[Gixjon22]

Pretty sure that any use of exogenous testosterone will pop up on a test thats looking for the specific metabolites associated with aas. Otherwise they would simply give you a non capped testosterone test ensuring that youre within natural levels.

 

[laclark89]

I’m the same way. Although I’m going to be honest a lot of people especially in combat sports are 100% on it.

Far from 100% , good genetics + awsome work ethic and intelligence in your sport, knocks that 100% down quite a bit.

No trainer or coach is smarter than the chemists whose work bolsters the international community's antidoping policies. @PeterBond has shared pertinent data on this topic. My stance is that doping is unethical and against the rules so I don't aid or abet it.

How about victor conte? Have u ever seen mark Maguire and Barry bonds before and after? Lmao he still works with pro athletes to this day.
It takes 1 to beat 1 if u got the $.

 

[Spideog]

Pretty sure that any use of exogenous testosterone will pop up on a test thats looking for the specific metabolites associated with aas. Otherwise they would simply give you a non capped testosterone test ensuring that youre within natural levels.

I would imagine these tests are quite expensive.

 

[readalot]

Pretty sure that any use of exogenous testosterone will pop up on a test thats looking for the specific metabolites associated with aas. Otherwise they would simply give you a non capped testosterone test ensuring that youre within natural levels.

Even within physiologic levels of TT/FT it would be very easy to just do a simple serum LH test or urinary T/E ratio if not the very sensitive isotope testing for someone continuously using exogenous Test ester.

Evaluation of testosterone/epitestosterone ratio influential factors as determined in doping analysis - PubMed

The ratio of the concentration of testosterone glucuronide to the concentration of epitestosterone glucuronide (T/E ratio) as determined in urine is the most frequently used method to prove testosterone abuse by athletes. A T/E ratio higher than 6 has been considered as proof of abuse in the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Type-IIx]

Far from 100% , good genetics + awsome work ethic and intelligence in your sport, knocks that 100% down quite a bit.

How about victor conte? Have u ever seen mark Maguire and Barry bonds before and after? Lmao he still works with pro athletes to this day.
It takes 1 to beat 1 if u got the $.

Why do we know their names? Associate them with doping? In the end, a reckoning will follow.

 

[PaintDrinker]

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