Doing juice with out the test supression

[rcphatcat77]

Hey bros...i love juice but i think its about time for me to cut back. My last tren/prop cycle put me into a two and a half month testosterone supression period. I was on cycle for about 10 weeks and saw great results but as soon as the suppresion started it was all down hill. Yes i used pct....ferma on cycle. post cycle: clomid....low dose of proviron....and the proper amt of hcg. Labido was shot to sh.t for 30 days and basically so was my life.

tren/prop 75/100 eod for 10 wks.


Basicly i want to keep juicing but i am looking for a way to do it with out the suppression and limp dong. What options do i have? Are there cycles out there wich are very easy on the libdo and test levels? I was thinking maybe a very low dose of a straight test only for short cycles like a 6 or 7 week.

 

[mr.big]

Hey bros...i love juice but i think its about time for me to cut back. My last tren/prop cycle put me into a two and a half month testosterone supression period. I was on cycle for about 10 weeks and saw great results but as soon as the suppresion started it was all down hill. Yes i used pct....ferma on cycle. post cycle: clomid....low dose of proviron....and the proper amt of hcg. Labido was shot to sh.t for 30 days and basically so was my life.

tren/prop 75/100 eod for 10 wks.


Basicly i want to keep juicing but i am looking for a way to do it with out the suppression and limp dong. What options do i have? Are there cycles out there wich are very easy on the libdo and test levels? I was thinking maybe a very low dose of a straight test only for short cycles like a 6 or 7 week.

I would highly suggest a longer ester. I prefer either test enanthate or cypionate and stack it with some EQ. You'll make good gains and they will be solid and you won't lose your libido if you plan PCT correctly.

Did you experience limp dick while on the cycle? If so, your prop may have
been bunk or underdosed. I can't say for sure but I've never stacked just test prop and tren together. That's a recipe for disaster in my opinion.

Goodluck man!

MB

 

[Neodavid]

Got any more details?

For instance, how long did you take clomid, and how much?

I read a report where they measured test levels and found in some guys, 3 weeks was not enough to get things to stay normal after stopping the clomid. They had to go 4 weeks to get it up (pun intended).

Also, did you do hcg... to get your nuts ready for the LH stimulation, so they are 'ready to hit the road running', you know, the last 2 weeks of your cycle, just before the clomid.

I think if you give more details more guys will be able to help.

Hey bros...i love juice but i think its about time for me to cut back. My last tren/prop cycle put me into a two and a half month testosterone supression period. I was on cycle for about 10 weeks and saw great results but as soon as the suppresion started it was all down hill. Yes i used pct....ferma on cycle. post cycle: clomid....low dose of proviron....and the proper amt of hcg. Labido was shot to sh.t for 30 days and basically so was my life.

tren/prop 75/100 eod for 10 wks.


Basicly i want to keep juicing but i am looking for a way to do it with out the suppression and limp dong. What options do i have? Are there cycles out there wich are very easy on the libdo and test levels? I was thinking maybe a very low dose of a straight test only for short cycles like a 6 or 7 week.

 

[mr.big]

Got any more details?

For instance, how long did you take clomid, and how much?

I read a report where they measured test levels and found in some guys, 3 weeks was not enough to get things to stay normal after stopping the clomid. They had to go 4 weeks to get it up (pun intended).

Also, did you do hcg... to get your nuts ready for the LH stimulation, so they are 'ready to hit the road running', you know, the last 2 weeks of your cycle, just before the clomid.

I think if you give more details more guys will be able to help.

Exactly Neo he needs to support his statements with more information if we are to help him. I think that if he took proper measures with anti-e's during cycle and planned out his PCT with the HCG and so on he would be just fine but like I said before I would never do just a test prop and tren cycle unless there was a specific reason like he was preparing for a competition and at that I would say go with test susp up until the show.

Just my .02.

 

[rcphatcat77]

Dam you guys are good,i m happy to see senior members responding and trying to help. I can only guess they can see this post is from the heart. Let me try to elaborate.

Clomid 2 ... 50mg tabs ed for atleast 30-40 days

hcg 3 weeks week 1 4-6,000 units week2 3-3,500 units and week 3 1500 units
(i think the hcg numbers maybe a bit low but i can't remember exactly)

20 days of proviron @ 50MG

Tren/prop mix from proline

What i am gathering so far is that after three years and 8,000 dollars later i still have not learned sh.t. I don't know why i have read a few books and could answer a good amount of the post i see here.

I only want to gain a few pounds of muscle (7-12) and lose (5-8) ibs of fat. yes gaining 4 lbs of total body weght while cutting up is all i am going for.

such a small goal but the test suppersion ruins it every time if you view my posts you can even see how active i was on cycle and then how i dissapeared...from the forum...from the gym....from life!

 

[plowboy50]

when did you do your hcg? it is best done during your cycle not after when you are using clomid. 500iu 2x a week throughout your cycle or 500iu ed for 10 days towards the end. dont start your clomid until after the aas has cleared your body which will depend on which drugs and esters your are using.

 

[Neodavid]

Yikes... cycles may not be for you man... everyone is different.

BUT, did you really take the hcg like that? 500 EOD is a lot safer. High doses of hcg like you described can cause LH suppression, which would mess up your test, well, sometimes permenantly.

Senior member only means we've been on for a while, doesn't mean someone is an expert, just so you know.

Like the other posters said though, hcg has to be taken before the clomid, never together, so can you tell us more what you actually did? (for your own healths sake, just admit it if it was fucked up, no biggie).

Dam you guys are good,i m happy to see senior members responding and trying to help. I can only guess they can see this post is from the heart. Let me try to elaborate.

Clomid 2 ... 50mg tabs ed for atleast 30-40 days

hcg 3 weeks week 1 4-6,000 units week2 3-3,500 units and week 3 1500 units
(i think the hcg numbers maybe a bit low but i can't remember exactly)

20 days of proviron @ 50MG

Tren/prop mix from proline

What i am gathering so far is that after three years and 8,000 dollars later i still have not learned sh.t. I don't know why i have read a few books and could answer a good amount of the post i see here.

I only want to gain a few pounds of muscle (7-12) and lose (5-8) ibs of fat. yes gaining 4 lbs of total body weght while cutting up is all i am going for.

such a small goal but the test suppersion ruins it every time if you view my posts you can even see how active i was on cycle and then how i dissapeared...from the forum...from the gym....from life!

 

[N4cer]

Take out the Proviron during PCT.
Studies show it to not be suppressive for normal uses, but while trying to recover from suppression it may hinder recovery efforts.

Those are some massive HCG doses. HCG aromatizes, and Swale (THE MAN on this stuff) says that aromatization is damaging to leydig cells.

 

[rtlltj]

yea I think hcg should be used right before pct not during to increase nut size so they start working naturally again. I think if you used it at those high levels during pct you would just be suppressing yourself even more. gl

 

[granby140]

Use the HCG during the midway point inthe cycle and right before pct and stay away from tren/deca.

 

[Neodavid]

Why stay away from Tren?

Use the HCG during the midway point inthe cycle and right before pct and stay away from tren/deca.