Domestic Raws

[Dr JIM]

The discussion of Raws is like heroin, THC and all those other "hallucinogens" (lol) is most certainly legal.

However what many noobs don't seem to understand the difference between a generic forum discussion under the guise of free speech, and someones attempt to obtain a controlled substance such as AAS compared to that of an illegal substance such as RAWS and schedule I drugs.

The latter discussion MAY be deemed sufficient evidence to file charges that "you" conspired to receive illegal substances and that said attempts were to be made deliberately and directly thru the "mail". (How else would a domestic product be obtained, according to the "reasonable person standard")

Ergo at least two charges could be filed in this particular instance the FIRST being CONSPIRACY and the SECOND MAIL FRAUD. Now if we (LE) only had a few NAMES to connect a some dots ......

This is one reason buying products from a "domestic source" has greater risks than international sources IMO. Which is also WHY names whether they are Meso monikers or not, should NEVER be used in association with an AAS buyer, sales agent, distributor or indirect facilitator, especially if the source is domestic!

JIM

 

[cornedbeefhash]

The discussion of Raws is like heroin, THC and all those other "hallucinogens" (lol) is most certainly legal.

However what many noobs don't seem to understand the difference between a generic forum discussion under the guise of free speech, and someones attempt to obtain a controlled substance such as AAS compared to that of an illegal substance such as RAWS and schedule I drugs.

The latter discussion MAY be deemed sufficient evidence to file charges that "you" conspired to receive illegal substances and that said attempts were to be made deliberately and directly thru the "mail". (How else would a domestic product be obtained, according to the "reasonable person standard")

Ergo at least two charges could be filed in this particular instance the FIRST being CONSPIRACY and the SECOND MAIL FRAUD. Now if we (LE) only had a few NAMES to connect a some dots ......

This is one reason buying products from a "domestic source" has greater risks than international sources IMO. Which is also WHY names whether they are Meso monikers or not, should NEVER be used in association with an AAS buyer, sales agent, distributor or indirect facilitator, especially if the source is domestic!

JIM

Spot on with this post IMO.

 

[Kamala]

Not in some parts of the world and since we are on the WWW discussing the transaction of finished products may be perfectly legal.

My point is about dom talk not just dom raw talk. In other words, UGL dom transaction discussion is conversation about something that is illegal as opposed to international talk where it may or may not be legal.

Anyway, I'm not trying to convince anyone I just feel dom transaction discussion is not good for the community as a whole.

I agree that any discussion regarding any specifics of a transaction should be taboo.

At the same time though, it is extremely easy for LE to obtain the information anyways. All they need to do is place an order.

 

[lndshrk]

Guys,

I think you're trying to split an atom here.

EVERYTHING is ILLEGAL about AAS in the USA.

They are all Schedule III - they are far more interested (and busy) with CI and CII issues. Lots of diversion of Oxy's and other such poison.

Use = Possession
Powders = Manufacturing
Non Domestic Sources = Importation

Those are in order of how deep the cornholing is going to go.

Stop kidding yourself.

Which do you think the (USCIS, USPIS, DEA, etc) is going to find first?

250g of Sustanon powder or 100 vials of 250mg/ml.

Which is going to be easier to detect?

Unlike "real drugs" there are no quick tests for Steroids. In fact, I'll bet if I took one bottle of Sodium Dodecyl Sulfate and filled it with Enanthate, and put it next to a bottle of untouched SDS....

I could march 50 Feds by the bottles on a table and they shrug.

You stand a better chance of getting nailed importing them rather than getting them from a safe domestic source - who if s/he has a clue will be protecting their identity.

Anonymous email accounts, Bitcoin, etc.

If you give the locals/staties/Feds an easy bust, they will bust you.

If you don't - their chances are slim.

The people who get busted and it isn't from an informant or "tip" - likely got careless.

On a good note, Holder just told his US Attorneys to no longer list quantities on the indictments.

And no, I'm not a cop - but a lot of cops I know use AAS. [)]

lndshrk

PM's encouraged

Yeah, I know - great first post - I'm just generally a straight-forward person.

 

[Dr JIM]

Fella, your clearly missing the point. Why compare likes to like such as raws to 250 vials of Winny, since both are associated with distribution and or manufacturing.

It follows, because powders are only rarely sold in quantities of less than a few ounces their forum discussion is more likely to catch the watchful eye of LE, whom are most certainly interested in the MANUFACTURING or DISTRIBUTION of illicit controlled substances, including "schedule III".

You want to be pursued like "Road Runner", let it be well known your interested in the purchase of raws on an AAS forum. Again that's because the discussion and subsequent acquisition of powders is inherently associated with the MANUFACTURING of AAS.

Rest assured if you get caught possessing even small quantities of powder distribution charges are coming forthwith yet the same is not true for several vials of an AAS.

The fact is, the overwhelming majority of those who purchase raws sell at least some of he final product and LE knows this! The net effect may will be trumped up charges by LE, but now you must legally defend your actions and that won't be cheap (and you once believed AAS were "expensive" LOL)

For these reasons alone, due diligence and common sense dictates the discussion of raws is best kept remote from publics view and that may be accomplished by a variety of means, simply use your imagination!

jimmy

 

[Dr JIM]

Just how deep can the rabbit hole go!

 

[lndshrk]

Just how deep can the rabbit hole go!

As deep as stupid people will let it go.

I'll let you expound on the errors that poor bloke made. I see 5 for starters.

I wish him the best, of course, but he was his own worst enemy.

In a macabre way, busts like his keep them just busy enough that they might miss the smart(er) people.

 

[Pericles]

I don't know about you guys, but I hate all the domestic raw questions here lately.

Does anyone here like it??

Would anyone be opposed to having a member created policy of politely telling new members that we don't do that type of discussion here? LE cares more about powders (ie..production) than distribution, this is known.

Good point. However, good luck on the politeness[)]

 

[ChaseQ]

I have a feeling there's at least "two levels" of police/ investigation going on.

1. Being your local government, ie. Police and local drug investigations.
2. Large scale investigation, ie. DEA and other alphabet groups.

The first ones bust the people failing to think, easy to find, slinging locally, driving around with controlled substances.
These "cops" aren't on forums attempting to take out large raw importers out of China.

Then the later is searching them out on an international level. My hunch is they obtain that information in more efficient ways than reading forums.

But obviously that's complete speculation.

 

[Kamala]

Guys,

I think you're trying to split an atom here.

EVERYTHING is ILLEGAL about AAS in the USA.

They are all Schedule III - they are far more interested (and busy) with CI and CII issues. Lots of diversion of Oxy's and other such poison.

Use = Possession
Powders = Manufacturing
Non Domestic Sources = Importation

Those are in order of how deep the cornholing is going to go.

Stop kidding yourself.

Which do you think the (USCIS, USPIS, DEA, etc) is going to find first?

250g of Sustanon powder or 100 vials of 250mg/ml.
Which is going to be easier to detect?

Unlike "real drugs" there are no quick tests for Steroids. In fact, I'll bet if I took one bottle of Sodium Dodecyl Sulfate and filled it with Enanthate, and put it next to a bottle of untouched SDS....
I could march 50 Feds by the bottles on a table and they shrug.

You stand a better chance of getting nailed importing them rather than getting them from a safe domestic source - who if s/he has a clue will be protecting their identity.

Anonymous email accounts, Bitcoin, etc.

If you give the locals/staties/Feds an easy bust, they will bust you.

If you don't - their chances are slim.

The people who get busted and it isn't from an informant or "tip" - likely got careless.

On a good note, Holder just told his US Attorneys to no longer list quantities on the indictments.

And no, I'm not a cop - but a lot of cops I know use AAS. [)]

lndshrk

PM's encouraged

Yeah, I know - great first post - I'm just generally a straight-forward person.

250g of raw is probably going to be a manufacturing investigation, 100 vials would probably be more than what is considered a personal amount. I guess it depends on the investigator, or how "co-operative" the recipient is with LE.

It doesn't matter, if they find an unmarked or mislabelled powder its going to be sent for analysis. It doesn't matter if there's a field test developed or not, its not like LE doesn't have access to labs.
In this day & age, especially in light of terror activity and the anthrax attacks post 911, I can fucking guarantee you that a Federal Agent isn't just going to shrug his shoulders and say " I don't know what that mysterious powder is in a mislabelled package, so I guess I'll just send it through".

 

[Kamala]

I have a feeling there's at least "two levels" of police/ investigation going on.

1. Being your local government, ie. Police and local drug investigations.
2. Large scale investigation, ie. DEA and other alphabet groups.

The first ones bust the people failing to think, easy to find, slinging locally, driving around with controlled substances.
These "cops" aren't on forums attempting to take out large raw importers out of China.

Then the later is searching them out on an international level. My hunch is they obtain that information in more efficient ways than reading forums.

But obviously that's complete speculation.

I'd say that your speculation is probably pretty damn close to the reality of it. Sometimes it goes from street level up, sometimes it goes down from the top..... Bottom line is that there are people looking though, everybody needs to be smart and stay a few steps ahead. as soon as a person starts feeling untouchable and forgets that, its just a matter of time.