Domestic UGL vs Indian Pharma

[shcidheuddvv]

Hey guys! I read some threads on Indian Pharma, and I'm currently between domestic UGL in Miglyol 812 MCT oil vs Zydus Testoviron Depot 250 in arachis oil. I'm doing daily shallow IM an insulin needle. I'm thinking about the inconvenience of a thicker carrier oil, but mostly the potential pro-inflammatory effects that arachis oil may have. Do y'all think the pharma standards from Zydus would be worth it? I stocked up on both for the year just in case, and plan to continue the UGL stuff, get some more blood work, test out the Zydus and see if my inflammatory markers change. The more accurate dosing from pharma is beneficial, but since I'm just running TRT, I'm more concerned about general safety and harm mitigation. Any advice or thoughts?

 

[CorgisOnTren]

Assuming your UGL is good, I doubt it’ll have any more variation than Zydus. If it’s working well now why change?

 

[biggerben69]

Hey guys! I read some threads on Indian Pharma, and I'm currently between domestic UGL in Miglyol 812 MCT oil vs Zydus Testoviron Depot 250 in arachis oil. I'm doing daily shallow IM an insulin needle. I'm thinking about the inconvenience of a thicker carrier oil, but mostly the potential pro-inflammatory effects that arachis oil may have. Do y'all think the pharma standards from Zydus would be worth it? I stocked up on both for the year just in case, and plan to continue the UGL stuff, get some more blood work, test out the Zydus and see if my inflammatory markers change. The more accurate dosing from pharma is beneficial, but since I'm just running TRT, I'm more concerned about general safety and harm mitigation. Any advice or thoughts?

I got about halfway through your post and thought to myself back when I picked up the 10ct amps of Jelfa Omnadren that made up the very first cycle back in 1994 at 24 yrs of age that my thinking was a lot more basic than what your worrying about.

Matter of fact, I'm using slin pins for my gear injections while I'm cruising on Test and Serostim and things are still just that simple these days as they were back then.

I think a lot of guys overthink this thing we do. I have no idea how to answer you. Where would I find my inflammatory markers?

Speaking of simplifying things, all the HPLC testing UGL's and we do has done just that. I'm not hoping I'm getting what I'm trying to buy anymore. I'm getting it.

In the 90's I would fly from the North East Part of the Country to Brownsville, TX 3 or 4 times a year. I stayed 4 days(left on day 4) at the Holiday Inn across a small pond from the University of Texas at Brownsville. I was on the border and walked back and forth into Matamoras and back 2 or 3 times a day.

Garcias Farmacia became my spot. Pharmacy on the ground floor. I'd walk upstairs where there was a bar with a big dance floor. I went into a stall and took the Testoviron amps out of the box they were in and loaded up my thighs and groin area. I was wearing tight spandex bicycle shorts under a baggy pair of shorts. Also bought hundreds of Stenox tabs at a time. That was Halotestin.

I made things a little bit complicated when I decided I had to have a bunch of 30ml vials of Winstrol. That milky white liquid had me! Also picked up Sustanon preloads with the 18 gauge pins. Yeah, I didn't know any better and can still hear that harpoon "PoP"! as it pierced the skin. That hurt.

As I got braver...or dumber...I started to rent a car and drove across to make my trips count more. This was pre 9/11. I threw all my gear in my checked luggage and crossed my fingers the first few times I made the trip. Wasn't sure if my loaded suitcase would make it onto the carousel or if it was gonna become the property of some law enforcement agency in CT. Made it every time for many years.

9/11 brought an abrubt end to my travels. Quality Vet was just gaining traction and I could by 10ml amps of Test E 250 for $25 on mexrxonline.co*. Didn't need to make the trip any more. Simplified things for me.

I can't keep up with all the counterfeit drugs these days. I'm a ugl guy when it comes to gear. HPLC testing is enough to convince me.

I apologize for going down memory lane for a minute. I'm not sure what the point of my post was gonna be?

 

[Rawnjohnson]

I got about halfway through your post and thought to myself back when I picked up the 10ct amps of Jelfa Omnadren that made up the very first cycle back in 1994 at 24 yrs of age that my thinking was a lot more basic than what your worrying about.

Matter of fact, I'm using slin pins for my gear injections while I'm cruising on Test and Serostim and things are still just that simple these days as they were back then.

I think a lot of guys overthink this thing we do. I have no idea how to answer you. Where would I find my inflammatory markers?

Speaking of simplifying things, all the HPLC testing UGL's and we do has done just that. I'm not hoping I'm getting what I'm trying to buy anymore. I'm getting it.

In the 90's I would fly from the North East Part of the Country to Brownsville, TX 3 or 4 times a year. I stayed 4 days(left on day 4) at the Holiday Inn across a small pond from the University of Texas at Brownsville. I was on the border and walked back and forth into Matamoras and back 2 or 3 times a day.

Garcias Farmacia became my spot. Pharmacy on the ground floor. I'd walk upstairs where there was a bar with a big dance floor. I went into a stall and took the Testoviron amps out of the box they were in and loaded up my thighs and groin area. I was wearing tight spandex bicycle shorts under a baggy pair of shorts. Also bought hundreds of Stenox tabs at a time. That was Halotestin.

I made things a little bit complicated when I decided I had to have a bunch of 30ml vials of Winstrol. That milky white liquid had me! Also picked up Sustanon preloads with the 18 gauge pins. Yeah, I didn't know any better and can still hear that harpoon "PoP"! as it pierced the skin. That hurt.

As I got braver...or dumber...I started to rent a car and drove across to make my trips count more. This was pre 9/11. I threw all my gear in my checked luggage and crossed my fingers the first few times I made the trip. Wasn't sure if my loaded suitcase would make it onto the carousel or if it was gonna become the property of some law enforcement agency in CT. Made it every time for many years.

9/11 brought an abrubt end to my travels. Quality Vet was just gaining traction and I could by 10ml amps of Test E 250 for $25 on mexrxonline.co*. Didn't need to make the trip any more. Simplified things for me.

I can't keep up with all the counterfeit drugs these days. I'm a ugl guy when it comes to gear. HPLC testing is enough to convince me.

I apologize for going down memory lane for a minute. I'm not sure what the point of my post was gonna be?

Similar experience. We would take the bus from Houston, took like 9 hours to the border with all the stops. We would load up and walk back across. Those were the good ol days. Brovel test, reforvit-B, and I can’t remember the brand of the deca.

 

[Ghoul]

Zydus is on par with Pfizer.

What are the odds some bathroom lab UGL that sources sketchy raws in a freezer bag from Chinese criminals is a safer choice than a major international FDA regulated company that only uses Pharma grade API and the finished product is made by workers in spacesuits in one of their sterile factories?

Zydus Lifesciences Received All-Clear from the US FDA for Gujarat API Plant - API Industry

 

[amr400]

Zydus is on par with Pfizer.

What are the odds some bathroom lab UGL that sources sketchy raws in a freezer bag from Chinese criminals is a safer choice than a major international FDA regulated company that only uses Pharma grade API and the finished product is made by workers in spacesuits in one of their sterile factories?

Zydus Lifesciences Received All-Clear from the US FDA for Gujarat API Plant - API Industry

Have you seen any jano’s for Zydus?

 

[hellerhiwater]

I got about halfway through your post and thought to myself back when I picked up the 10ct amps of Jelfa Omnadren that made up the very first cycle back in 1994 at 24 yrs of age that my thinking was a lot more basic than what your worrying about.

Matter of fact, I'm using slin pins for my gear injections while I'm cruising on Test and Serostim and things are still just that simple these days as they were back then.

I think a lot of guys overthink this thing we do. I have no idea how to answer you. Where would I find my inflammatory markers?

Speaking of simplifying things, all the HPLC testing UGL's and we do has done just that. I'm not hoping I'm getting what I'm trying to buy anymore. I'm getting it.

In the 90's I would fly from the North East Part of the Country to Brownsville, TX 3 or 4 times a year. I stayed 4 days(left on day 4) at the Holiday Inn across a small pond from the University of Texas at Brownsville. I was on the border and walked back and forth into Matamoras and back 2 or 3 times a day.

Garcias Farmacia became my spot. Pharmacy on the ground floor. I'd walk upstairs where there was a bar with a big dance floor. I went into a stall and took the Testoviron amps out of the box they were in and loaded up my thighs and groin area. I was wearing tight spandex bicycle shorts under a baggy pair of shorts. Also bought hundreds of Stenox tabs at a time. That was Halotestin.

I made things a little bit complicated when I decided I had to have a bunch of 30ml vials of Winstrol. That milky white liquid had me! Also picked up Sustanon preloads with the 18 gauge pins. Yeah, I didn't know any better and can still hear that harpoon "PoP"! as it pierced the skin. That hurt.

As I got braver...or dumber...I started to rent a car and drove across to make my trips count more. This was pre 9/11. I threw all my gear in my checked luggage and crossed my fingers the first few times I made the trip. Wasn't sure if my loaded suitcase would make it onto the carousel or if it was gonna become the property of some law enforcement agency in CT. Made it every time for many years.

9/11 brought an abrubt end to my travels. Quality Vet was just gaining traction and I could by 10ml amps of Test E 250 for $25 on mexrxonline.co*. Didn't need to make the trip any more. Simplified things for me.

I can't keep up with all the counterfeit drugs these days. I'm a ugl guy when it comes to gear. HPLC testing is enough to convince me.

I apologize for going down memory lane for a minute. I'm not sure what the point of my post was gonna be?

i was so invested i too forgot what the thread was even about. super cool to hear about the old ways

 

[mikeyt84]

Zydus is on par with Pfizer.

What are the odds some bathroom lab UGL that sources sketchy raws in a freezer bag from Chinese criminals is a safer choice than a major international FDA regulated company that only uses Pharma grade API and the finished product is made by workers in spacesuits in one of their sterile factories?

Zydus Lifesciences Received All-Clear from the US FDA for Gujarat API Plant - API Industry

It really is fascinating isn't it. They must be wearing long sleeves at least.
You must only use pharma everything.

 

[bananafeet]

Hey guys! I read some threads on Indian Pharma, and I'm currently between domestic UGL in Miglyol 812 MCT oil vs Zydus Testoviron Depot 250 in arachis oil. I'm doing daily shallow IM an insulin needle. I'm thinking about the inconvenience of a thicker carrier oil, but mostly the potential pro-inflammatory effects that arachis oil may have. Do y'all think the pharma standards from Zydus would be worth it? I stocked up on both for the year just in case, and plan to continue the UGL stuff, get some more blood work, test out the Zydus and see if my inflammatory markers change. The more accurate dosing from pharma is beneficial, but since I'm just running TRT, I'm more concerned about general safety and harm mitigation. Any advice or thoughts?

I have heaps of spam posts on indian testosterone and steroids.

If you want pharma grade testosterone in Ethyl Oleate buy Retesto. If you don't mind Arachis oil you have Searle Testenate. They are all around $1 per amp.

Currently injecting a not small amount of testosterone enanthate in pure Ethyl Oleate made by QP Pharmachem which has a pretty bad past. It's marketed by Kachhella which is a real indian pharma company. I'm not recommending doing this.

But I think indian stuff gets a lot more hate than it should. Look through the posts in the UGL section of the absolute swamp juice people are getting from China now.

Atleast these labs have some sort of over sight and approval and market stuff to the local population unlike the other UGL gear.

Anyway just my two cents. As the old heads have said I think you're over thinking it.

Vigorous Steve went a little bit neurotic with his Arachis oil and carrier oil fear mongering. There is nothing wrong with Arachis oil unless you have a peanut allergy. The stuff from these UGL China labs is literally food grade veggie oil. Just because a YouTube video exists doesn't mean it's an issue.

Reminds me of how they (vigorous Steve) had this big bullshit story about how various excipients in HGH were causing kidney failure. It's like bro what about the hyperfiltration from excessive IGF1? Or blood pressure? It's always some extravagant weirdo shit. Never the basic harm reduction stuff.

Anyway

 

[niqTM]

I got about halfway through your post and thought to myself back when I picked up the 10ct amps of Jelfa Omnadren that made up the very first cycle back in 1994 at 24 yrs of age that my thinking was a lot more basic than what your worrying about.

Matter of fact, I'm using slin pins for my gear injections while I'm cruising on Test and Serostim and things are still just that simple these days as they were back then.

I think a lot of guys overthink this thing we do. I have no idea how to answer you. Where would I find my inflammatory markers?

Speaking of simplifying things, all the HPLC testing UGL's and we do has done just that. I'm not hoping I'm getting what I'm trying to buy anymore. I'm getting it.

In the 90's I would fly from the North East Part of the Country to Brownsville, TX 3 or 4 times a year. I stayed 4 days(left on day 4) at the Holiday Inn across a small pond from the University of Texas at Brownsville. I was on the border and walked back and forth into Matamoras and back 2 or 3 times a day.

Garcias Farmacia became my spot. Pharmacy on the ground floor. I'd walk upstairs where there was a bar with a big dance floor. I went into a stall and took the Testoviron amps out of the box they were in and loaded up my thighs and groin area. I was wearing tight spandex bicycle shorts under a baggy pair of shorts. Also bought hundreds of Stenox tabs at a time. That was Halotestin.

I made things a little bit complicated when I decided I had to have a bunch of 30ml vials of Winstrol. That milky white liquid had me! Also picked up Sustanon preloads with the 18 gauge pins. Yeah, I didn't know any better and can still hear that harpoon "PoP"! as it pierced the skin. That hurt.

As I got braver...or dumber...I started to rent a car and drove across to make my trips count more. This was pre 9/11. I threw all my gear in my checked luggage and crossed my fingers the first few times I made the trip. Wasn't sure if my loaded suitcase would make it onto the carousel or if it was gonna become the property of some law enforcement agency in CT. Made it every time for many years.

9/11 brought an abrubt end to my travels. Quality Vet was just gaining traction and I could by 10ml amps of Test E 250 for $25 on mexrxonline.co*. Didn't need to make the trip any more. Simplified things for me.

I can't keep up with all the counterfeit drugs these days. I'm a ugl guy when it comes to gear. HPLC testing is enough to convince me.

I apologize for going down memory lane for a minute. I'm not sure what the point of my post was gonna be?

Holy. I thought this was a troll copypasta from the good old days of the misc. Brought a tear to my eye from reminicing of the misc glory days.

 

[hellerhiwater]

I have heaps of spam posts on indian testosterone and steroids.

If you want pharma grade testosterone in Ethyl Oleate buy Retesto. If you don't mind Arachis oil you have Searle Testenate. They are all around $1 per amp.

Currently injecting a not small amount of testosterone enanthate in pure Ethyl Oleate made by QP Pharmachem which has a pretty bad past. It's marketed by Kachhella which is a real indian pharma company. I'm not recommending doing this.

But I think indian stuff gets a lot more hate than it should. Look through the posts in the UGL section of the absolute swamp juice people are getting from China now.

Atleast these labs have some sort of over sight and approval and market stuff to the local population unlike the other UGL gear.

Anyway just my two cents. As the old heads have said I think you're over thinking it.

Vigorous Steve went a little bit neurotic with his Arachis oil and carrier oil fear mongering. There is nothing wrong with Arachis oil unless you have a peanut allergy. The stuff from these UGL China labs is literally food grade veggie oil. Just because a YouTube video exists doesn't mean it's an issue.

Reminds me of how they (vigorous Steve) had this big bullshit story about how various excipients in HGH were causing kidney failure. It's like bro what about the hyperfiltration from excessive IGF1? Or blood pressure? It's always some extravagant weirdo shit. Never the basic harm reduction stuff.

Anyway

vig steve seems to hate anything associated with india full stop. constantly talking about if you want to get scammed try indian sellers, etc.

it got real weird on a livestream once where someone donated in INR with a legitimate question, and he was like "fucking indians...get the fuck out" and banned him.

im a mental child so i did think it was funny, but thinking about it, thats kinda messed up

 

[bananafeet]

vig steve seems to hate anything associated with india full stop. constantly talking about if you want to get scammed try indian sellers, etc.

it got real weird on a livestream once where someone donated in INR with a legitimate question, and he was like "fucking indians...get the fuck out" and banned him.

im a mental child so i did think it was funny, but thinking about it, thats kinda messed up

He always talks about his rimobolan amps and how UGL products are crap. Meanwhile his amps are probably faked lol

He also has an irrational hatred of nandralone.

Yeah man the bodybuilding world is a cesspool of shit. I watched a video of a guy arguing with Boston Lloyd about steroid dosages and the guy was giving him a lecture about using a pain killer.

I was like wow Boston is a being reckless, then I googled this guy and he killed someone basically by selling them a narcotic....

At that point I refuse to watch anymore bodybuilding content on YouTube. Lol

It just seems to attract the absolute worst people imaginable.

 

[hellerhiwater]

He always talks about his rimobolan amps and how UGL products are crap. Meanwhile his amps are probably faked lol

He also has an irrational hatred of nandralone.

Yeah man the bodybuilding world is a cesspool of shit. I watched a video of a guy arguing with Boston Lloyd about steroid dosages and the guy was giving him a lecture about using a pain killer.

I was like wow Boston is a being reckless, then I googled this guy and he killed someone basically by selling them a narcotic....

At that point I refuse to watch anymore bodybuilding content on YouTube. Lol

It just seems to attract the absolute worst people imaginable.

glad im not alone, vig steve seemed like such a douche i genuinely just couldnt tolerate him anymore.

 

[Billbo98]

I have heaps of spam posts on indian testosterone and steroids.

If you want pharma grade testosterone in Ethyl Oleate buy Retesto. If you don't mind Arachis oil you have Searle Testenate. They are all around $1 per amp.

Currently injecting a not small amount of testosterone enanthate in pure Ethyl Oleate made by QP Pharmachem which has a pretty bad past. It's marketed by Kachhella which is a real indian pharma company. I'm not recommending doing this.

But I think indian stuff gets a lot more hate than it should. Look through the posts in the UGL section of the absolute swamp juice people are getting from China now.

Atleast these labs have some sort of over sight and approval and market stuff to the local population unlike the other UGL gear.

Anyway just my two cents. As the old heads have said I think you're over thinking it.

Vigorous Steve went a little bit neurotic with his Arachis oil and carrier oil fear mongering. There is nothing wrong with Arachis oil unless you have a peanut allergy. The stuff from these UGL China labs is literally food grade veggie oil. Just because a YouTube video exists doesn't mean it's an issue.

Reminds me of how they (vigorous Steve) had this big bullshit story about how various excipients in HGH were causing kidney failure. It's like bro what about the hyperfiltration from excessive IGF1? Or blood pressure? It's always some extravagant weirdo shit. Never the basic harm reduction stuff.

Anyway

Can’t stand vig Steve and his rants. Especially calling nandrolone neurotoxic like it’s so much worse than loads of test and primo. Like GTFO man lmao. That all said. I have some Retesto fuckers told me it was arachis oil and right when I got it knew it was EOO. I’ve never pinned EOO annd have 35ml of this stuff anything I should expect?

 

[bananafeet]

Can’t stand vig Steve and his rants. Especially calling nandrolone neurotoxic like it’s so much worse than loads of test and primo. Like GTFO man lmao. That all said. I have some Retesto fuckers told me it was arachis oil and right when I got it knew it was EOO. I’ve never pinned EOO annd have 35ml of this stuff anything I should expect?

Retesto is EO. Searl Testenate is Arachis oil.

I haven't had any issues with EO. Inject it slowly because it's so thin it's easy to blast it in and get swelling.

 

[Billbo98]

Retesto is EO. Searl Testenate is Arachis oil.

I haven't had any issues with EO. Inject it slowly because it's so thin it's easy to blast it in and get swelling.

Got it. I have Searle as well that I could immediately tell it was arachis oil