Donated blood today...

[Dr JIM]

Just donated myself and flat out asked what the cutoff is for hemoglobin and it's 20.

And how many folk running AAS have a CRIT above 60% NONE IME.

Moreover if that's "policy" it's an unwritten one and is not a part of existing ARC literature or their web site.

But if you can get that in writing or ask whomever told you that to provide a link, I'd like to see it, seriously.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

And how many folk running AAS have a CRIT above 60% NONE IME.

Moreover if that's "policy" it's an unwritten one and is not a part of existing ARC literature or their web site.

But if you can get that in writing or ask whomever told you that to provide a link, I'd like to see it, seriously.

Hemoglobin at 20 = hematocrit at 60
I was banned from the red cross for showing up with a 60 HCT about a yr ago. I dunno if it was a permanent ban or what...i found a smaller donation facility thats actually more convenient for me. So i waited it out and started going there regularly now. I wont ever let it get there again. But yes, they refused me due to a 60 HCT

 

[Dr JIM]

Thats what most would consider pathologic and diagnostic of Polycythemia Vera and at the very least warrants further testing.

PCV is a "myleoproliferative" GENETIC disorder and as such is a contraindication to blood donation.

So the HCT is not the issue per se, but the concern you and others with Crits at or above 60% may have a disorder that COULD, at least theoretically, be transmitted to recipients.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Thats what most would consider pathologic and diagnostic of Polycythemia Vera and at the very least warrants further testing.

PCV is a "myleoproliferative" GENETIC disorder and as such is a contraindication to blood donation.

So the HCT is not the issue per se, but the concern you and others with Crits above 60%
may have a disorder that COULD, at least theoretically, be transmitted to recipients.

Obviously i didnt tell them about all the anadrol and tren i was throwing down.
They always ask " are you part of the A group". I always say no. Come to find out the A group is the doctor prescribed blood dumps for testosterone treatments.
Bastards...always judging a book by its cover

 

[Dr JIM]

Obviously i didnt tell them about all the anadrol and tren i was throwing down.
They always ask " are you part of the A group". I always say no. Come to find out the A group is the doctor prescribed blood dumps for testosterone treatments.
Bastards...always judging a book by its cover

What was your baseline Crit, that is NO AAS for at least 6 months ?

Might want tp take a look at that bc I suspect it was already on the high end of normal .

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

What was your baseline Crit, that is NO AAS for at least 6 months ?

Might want tp take a look at that bc I suspect it was already on the high end of normal .

Before i started trt (with no previous AAS use) early 2014 it was 44. I still have the lab reports from my initial consultation with the TCT clinic. So thats what i strive for now knowing thats my baseline.

My friend Dr. JIM, then I just got done doing a stupid, stupid cycle measured by the gram(s). The combination of trenbolone and anadrol i believe is what caused such a high reading. I havent replicated it since. Either such an aggressive cycle nor such a high HCT. I learned my lesson

 

[Dr JIM]

Because a Crit that approximates 60% is quite likely to an independent risk factor for thrombosis, levels that high MUST be avoided and are a contraindication to "TRT" AND AAS use, and warrants DISCONTINUATION of the offending agent/s

In fact the risk of TRT or AAS in folk with levels at or above the upper end of normal, which is around 50%, exceeds any potential benefit IMO

Incidentally the 2016 - 2017 ARC guidelines now list a HCT above 60% as a contraindication to blood donation ----- and the reason I eluded to earlier -- the concern such patients may have undiagnosed PCV, and a similar "rule" STILL applies to patients with hemochromatosis. The concern being this category of patients have LESS then normal RBCs

Jim

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Because a Crit that approximates 60% is quite likely to an independent risk factor for thrombosis, levels that high MUST be avoided and are a contraindication to "TRT" AND AAS use, and warrants DISCONTINUATION of the offending agent/s

In fact the risk of TRT or AAS in folk with levels at or above the upper end of normal, which is around 50%, exceeds any potential benefit IMO

Incidentally the 2016 - 2017 ARC guidelines now list a HCT above 60% as a contraindication to blood donation ----- and the reason I eluded to earlier -- the concern such patients may have undiagnosed PCV, and a similar "rule" STILL applies to patients with hemochromatosis. The concern being this category of patients have LESS then normal RBCs

Jim

Just imagine the ones who dont donate or pull blood work or ever even heard of it.
AT ALL.
Ignorance can kill

 

[Dr JIM]

Before i started trt (with no previous AAS use) early 2014 it was 44.

Running or "blast & cruising" AAS for THREE YEARS, and perhaps volume changes (AKA dehydration) provides the most likely explanation for your HCT of 60%

 

[Dr JIM]

Just imagine the ones who dont donate or pull blood work or ever even heard of it.
AT ALL.
Ignorance can kill

Most folk do NOT "need" to donate and those that do get into trouble are running AAS for extended periods, yet still very few reach a pathologic 60% HCT IME

To that end YOU are the EXCEPTION, not the rule

And the fact your still running AAS in spite of developing such a high Crit is worrisome IMO

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Most folk do NOT "need" to donate and those that do get into trouble are running AAS for extended periods, yet still very few reach a pathologic 60% HCT IME

Yeah 16 weeks of tren enanthate dosed at 800mg will do it for extended periods (stupid)
Add a gram and a half of test enanthate
Add tren acetate for the first 4 weeks
Add anadrol at 100mg ED for the first half
Add winstrol at 50mg ED for the second half

You get my result

 

[Dr JIM]

Yeah 16 weeks of tren enanthate dosed at 800mg will do it for extended periods (stupid)
Add a gram and a half of test enanthate
Add tren acetate for the first 4 weeks
Add anadrol at 100mg ED for the first half
Add winstrol at 50mg ED for the second half

You get my result

I really appreciate the honesty

Nuf said

Good luck

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I really appreciate the honesty

Nuf said

Good luck

....
1 time thing
....
Thanks for your time sir

 

[Demondosage]

Highest mine ever got on TRT AND a cycle was 17.3 on the hemoglobin reading they take before you donate. My doctor suggested I donate blood about a year into TRT and even at 200mg a week for over a year straight my reading was just over 16. Anytime I use EQ I make sure to time it around my donation to keep things in check

 

[Dr JIM]

may have a disorder that COULD, at least theoretically, be transmitted to recipients.

I should clarify; as a genetic disorder PCV itself is not transmissible, thru blood products.

The concern is more along the lines of someone receiving "bad blood" and since there's an increased risk of certain forms of leukemia in patients with PCV a recipient COULD receive dysplactic cell lines, including STEM CELLS that may have malignant potential.

Yes the risk is extremely remote BUT the ARC and other blood banks must remain ultra vigilant
to ensure we all have access to the "safest" blood products.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

ive been on test for acouple years and never have gone over 47 hct. ive seen guys who use grams and have never donated and have never been out of range.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

ive been on test for acouple years and never have gone over 47 hct. ive seen guys who use grams and have never donated and have never been out of range.

Some people are lucky in that regard.
When i was younger, i had no problems blasting Test.

This last go round, totally different.
Getting old sucks! i don't recommend it to anyone.