I am sorry to report that I am having one hell of time recently. I urgently need some help and suggestions. I will try to explain as simple as I can.
First, I am a HRT vet since 1989. Androderm Patches and Test Cyp injections. When I got tired of the patches I would beg my Endo for injetcable Test Cyp. No HCG/clomid etc over the years.. just test as described.
A year ago I decided to give Powerlifting a try again after many years off. Last June I got real stupid and started a Testosterone only cycle of 400-500 mg per week for about 10 weeks. Than.... last November and December did a cycle of 300-400 Mg of Omnadren a week with dball (30 mg a day) for about 6 weeks and than switched over for about 6 or 7 weeks of Parabolan at 76 mgs per week. The Tren started giving me Panic and anxiety attacks again Was prone to these before with AAS. So I stopped all AAS but the Test at about 300 mg a week for a month or so. I just wanted to go back down to HRT levels of test and use 200 mg per week or less. I wanted to clean out from the 2 cycles and lower my Test levels. With me so far?
I started my Test Taper in late March and April. That is when the problems started. I started having very bad anxiety everytime I shot even 200 mg of HRT test each week. It was like my body was being overstimulated by the Test shots. Horrible anxiety episodes.
By May I was down to 100 mg per week of Test Enanthate/Cyp. I talked to my sympathetic Endo doc and honesly told him what happened. I have known him for 16 years. 2 weeks ago he put me back on the androderm 5 mg patch to lower and stabilize mt T levels. He wanted to see if the anxiety would go away. Most of it did. But the depression didn't really subside. I was brought to tears a few times while starting the patches again. I tried treating the withdrawal and depression with natural Magnesium and aerobic exercise. Couldn't tolerate Zoloft or Paxil. My anxiety went throught the roof after trying each one for just 2 days. My body just didn't want these SSRI's it seemed. I also use a .5 Klonopin once or twice a week and try to be very sparing with this med because of fear of dependence.
The past couple of weeks I think I am making some progress... but my moods are unstable. Good mornings with late afternoon Anxiety/ maybe some mild depression. Someone told me it was the Androderm patches. So 3 days ago my doc put me back on 100 mg a week of Test Cyp. This made me anxious again. I also just tried .25 Arimidex per someones advise. They told me to get stable on the 100 mg T shots and take .25 Arimidex ea day for 2 weeks. And 250iu of HCG 2 times a week for the next 2 weeks if my doc would give it to me. I need some real guidance here. Not sure what to do or not to do at this point. I don't want do further damage.
The million dollar question is is my system suffering from shut down? I should have some baseline blood tests to share by tommorrow. My doc took some tests that I requested before starting the shots again... LH, FSH, Prolactin, Free and Total Test and Estradiol.
I didn't think I would get withdrawal or shut down symptoms going from the 6 months of cycling AAS and going back to HRT T levels. Boy was I wrong and stupid. I lost weight, a total of 28 lbs from Jan to now. Was 175 and now 147 in the mornings. My appetite was horrible and has been steadily picking up the past 2 weeks. I am trying to lift a few times a week and do walk a lot in the evenings with my wife. Trying to boost my mood and HPTA
Bottom line? Is my pituitary still shut down and not caught up from the 2 cycles of AAS? And causing problems by the lower test levels now present. The boys are a little smaller but not shrunken real bad at all. The depression seemed to be related to the lowered but stabile test levels from the Androderm HRT patches. My doctor seems to think it is hormonal depression or a slight change in brain chemistry from the cycles. DOES ANYONE HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE TO SHARE? Is there anything I can recommend to my Endo to help with this situation? He said he is willing to listen and learn. Also any safe clean depression treatments to get me through if needed while the HTPA recovers if I need it?
Bottom line I have been around for a long time and didn't think I did anything stupid. I guess I did. Lifetime HRT guys need PCT also? Thanks and I hope I wrote this so you can get the picture. ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!
T
First, I am a HRT vet since 1989. Androderm Patches and Test Cyp injections. When I got tired of the patches I would beg my Endo for injetcable Test Cyp. No HCG/clomid etc over the years.. just test as described.
A year ago I decided to give Powerlifting a try again after many years off. Last June I got real stupid and started a Testosterone only cycle of 400-500 mg per week for about 10 weeks. Than.... last November and December did a cycle of 300-400 Mg of Omnadren a week with dball (30 mg a day) for about 6 weeks and than switched over for about 6 or 7 weeks of Parabolan at 76 mgs per week. The Tren started giving me Panic and anxiety attacks again Was prone to these before with AAS. So I stopped all AAS but the Test at about 300 mg a week for a month or so. I just wanted to go back down to HRT levels of test and use 200 mg per week or less. I wanted to clean out from the 2 cycles and lower my Test levels. With me so far?
I started my Test Taper in late March and April. That is when the problems started. I started having very bad anxiety everytime I shot even 200 mg of HRT test each week. It was like my body was being overstimulated by the Test shots. Horrible anxiety episodes.
By May I was down to 100 mg per week of Test Enanthate/Cyp. I talked to my sympathetic Endo doc and honesly told him what happened. I have known him for 16 years. 2 weeks ago he put me back on the androderm 5 mg patch to lower and stabilize mt T levels. He wanted to see if the anxiety would go away. Most of it did. But the depression didn't really subside. I was brought to tears a few times while starting the patches again. I tried treating the withdrawal and depression with natural Magnesium and aerobic exercise. Couldn't tolerate Zoloft or Paxil. My anxiety went throught the roof after trying each one for just 2 days. My body just didn't want these SSRI's it seemed. I also use a .5 Klonopin once or twice a week and try to be very sparing with this med because of fear of dependence.
The past couple of weeks I think I am making some progress... but my moods are unstable. Good mornings with late afternoon Anxiety/ maybe some mild depression. Someone told me it was the Androderm patches. So 3 days ago my doc put me back on 100 mg a week of Test Cyp. This made me anxious again. I also just tried .25 Arimidex per someones advise. They told me to get stable on the 100 mg T shots and take .25 Arimidex ea day for 2 weeks. And 250iu of HCG 2 times a week for the next 2 weeks if my doc would give it to me. I need some real guidance here. Not sure what to do or not to do at this point. I don't want do further damage.
The million dollar question is is my system suffering from shut down? I should have some baseline blood tests to share by tommorrow. My doc took some tests that I requested before starting the shots again... LH, FSH, Prolactin, Free and Total Test and Estradiol.
I didn't think I would get withdrawal or shut down symptoms going from the 6 months of cycling AAS and going back to HRT T levels. Boy was I wrong and stupid. I lost weight, a total of 28 lbs from Jan to now. Was 175 and now 147 in the mornings. My appetite was horrible and has been steadily picking up the past 2 weeks. I am trying to lift a few times a week and do walk a lot in the evenings with my wife. Trying to boost my mood and HPTA
Bottom line? Is my pituitary still shut down and not caught up from the 2 cycles of AAS? And causing problems by the lower test levels now present. The boys are a little smaller but not shrunken real bad at all. The depression seemed to be related to the lowered but stabile test levels from the Androderm HRT patches. My doctor seems to think it is hormonal depression or a slight change in brain chemistry from the cycles. DOES ANYONE HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE TO SHARE? Is there anything I can recommend to my Endo to help with this situation? He said he is willing to listen and learn. Also any safe clean depression treatments to get me through if needed while the HTPA recovers if I need it?
Bottom line I have been around for a long time and didn't think I did anything stupid. I guess I did. Lifetime HRT guys need PCT also? Thanks and I hope I wrote this so you can get the picture. ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!
T
