Eating Disorder / Cheat Meals

[JoeBlob12]

I’m curious if anyone has the same problem as me. I cannot have a cheat MEAL and get back on track the rest of the day. If I even take 1 sip of orange juice (or something that’s not on my diet), all bets are off. I will absolutely gorge myself with shit food the rest of the day. And when I say gorge myself, I mean eating 10,000 calories in one day of mostly brownies and ice cream. It must be some kind of eating disorder. I gained 20 lbs this weekend on vacation (net 7 after flushing myself) and the people I was with were genuinely concerned.

I’m also a recovering drug addict and wonder if my addictive personality plays a role in this because that’s what it feels like. It’s like an alcoholic that can’t just have 1 drink.. once that craving hits it is nonstop until passed out. For me it is throwing up opposed to passing out.

 

[Demondosage]

What is the diet like on days you don't stray off?

It sounds to me like it's time for a change in foods. So there are inbetween type foods that can help. Stuff like Greek yogurt, raisin toast, microwaveable breakfast sandwiches, etc. I can get like that too sometimes , it's like once I cheat with 1 meal the flood gates have opened!! All bets off.

So I've found that meals like I mentioned help. Hell, this morning I had 2 Jimmy Dean breakfast sandwiches that yielded me 16 grams carbs total, maybe 20 grams of fat, almost 30 grams of protein, about 1800mg sodium (but I won't do any other high sodium meals today) and maybe around 500 cals total?

Try different foods with flavor for a little while, but not full blown cheats. Also, put cardio later in day. If you know u need to do cardio you'll subconsciously not wanna fuck up, since cardio with a stomach full of ice cream and brownies SUCKS

 

[JoeBlob12]

I was just about to edit my post and clarify my diet but you beat me to it. It’s definitely important to know that I’m keto. I used keto to eliminate carbs and sugars in order to beat my sugar addiction and it worked. Zero cravings whatsoever and went 4 months without a gram of sugar or intentional carbs. Then i went to a buffet and decided to have 1 bite of someone else’s cheesecake and i immediately picked up my plate and went to the dessert buffet and ate 4 plates until I was throwing up in the bathroom. Since then I’ve had intense cravings every weekend to the point where I will literally dream all night about brownies and ice cream.

I was also on tren at this time and figured that played a role because my appetite is absolutely insane on tren.. but now I’m 4 weeks off tren and still having the cravings. The amount of food that I can shove down my throat is scary.

 

[NeonKnight]

I wonder about this, as well. Whether I'm on a maintenance diet or a cutting diet, I spend so much time watching food-related shit on YouTube (including eating contests that show gorging of food). So when I do eat, I gorge--not necessarily on bad things, but way more of what's in my diet. I think it's an eating disorder of some sort, because I obsess over food.

I do like Demon's suggestions, though. The more I do of that (introducing different flavors), the less I seem to obsess.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Make “cheats” the last meal of the day. No deviation.

And if we’re being honest, the issue is self control. Expect better of yourself and make it happen OR choose a diet you can actually stick to...

 

[JoeBlob12]

Make “cheats” the last meal of the day. No deviation.

And if we’re being honest, the issue is self control. Expect better of yourself and make it happen OR choose a diet you can actually stick to...

I tried making the cheat meal my last meal of the day and having it planned like that made me obsess about it all day long. My mouth was watering waiting for it and it ruined my whole day. I also stopped at Kroger on my way home and got a tub of ice cream and ate that late into the night.

I agree that it boils down to self control.. and I am usually the most self controlled person in the room - almost to the point of me being insufferable about my diet and what I put in my body. It’s absolutely an all or nothing mentality. Which is why I bring up my addiction and can see very very similar behaviors. The self control part is obvious, but if it’s truly an addiction/disorder, that would be like telling an alcoholic to “just stop drinking.”

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I’m gonna be straight with you dude...this is why I hate Keto. What good is your diet if straying from it is doing this to you? Keto has forced you to assign good and bad to foods and if sounds like it IS creating a disorder...

 

[JoeBlob12]

I’m gonna be straight with you dude...this is why I hate Keto. What good is your diet if straying from it is doing this to you? Keto has forced you to assign good and bad to foods and if sounds like it IS creating a disorder...

Yeah, that’s one way to look at it for sure. If I am strict keto for 2 weeks though my cravings for carbs disappear. I just haven’t gotten through the 2 weeks because of a birthday and vacation. When I start adding carbs back in slowly it will flare it right back up. And I’m just talking about sweet potatoes and rice. Which turns into straight sugar cravings. I admit I have a very unhealthy relationship with carbs right now.

I blame it on the tren.

 

[Demondosage]

Keto fucking sucks...PERIOD! You're going off the rails because rather than eating clean and healthy and having a well balanced diet you're doing what everyone else does; telling yourself carbs are the enemy.

Carbs aren't the enemy, eating bullshit is the enemy! If most ppl that thought they were carb sensitive ate things like rice, oats, and yams, they'd see they would lose fat and never have an issue! But no, you want to go to the most extreme dietary measure possible before you even get in single digit fat. It's totally unnecessary and stupid if you're expending energy in the gym regularly. Congrats, going keto has given you an eating disorder now.

 

[Endure]

And if we’re being honest, the issue is self control. Expect better of yourself and make it happen OR choose a diet you can actually stick to...

Yep no beating around the bush here. Sounds like there's a very psychological issue here and an unhealthy relationship with food.

 

[Tinytim]

Get your head right. Something wrong with a grown man pursuing this lifestyle and eating like you say you do. You dont need cheating binge days, you need a balanced diet.

 

[JoeBlob12]

Keto fucking sucks...PERIOD! You're going off the rails because rather than eating clean and healthy and having a well balanced diet you're doing what everyone else does; telling yourself carbs are the enemy.

Carbs aren't the enemy, eating bullshit is the enemy! If most ppl that thought they were carb sensitive ate things like rice, oats, and yams, they'd see they would lose fat and never have an issue! But no, you want to go to the most extreme dietary measure possible before you even get in single digit fat. It's totally unnecessary and stupid if you're expending energy in the gym regularly. Congrats, going keto has given you an eating disorder now.

I was like this prior to keto as well. Ever since I got sober it’s all or nothing. I was 230 lbs without an ounce of muscle on me 3 years ago. I lost 50 lbs and then put back on a bunch of muscle but I experienced the gorges then too. Always on tren.. which is where it started this time. It just hasn’t gone away this time (ended tren 4 weeks ago and cut it early because of the crazy appetite).

I originally went keto because I tore my ACL and I was afraid I was going to get fat again without exercising. I ended up dropping tons of body fat in the process and it has improved my sleep tremendously and my head is much more clear. Those are 2 benefits of keto (FOR ME) that I don’t know if I’m willing to give up.

Look man I’m open to suggestions that’s why I’m here. But to be a dick doesn’t help me.

 

[Millard]

Keto has forced you to assign good and bad to foods

CKD. Then it's all good.

 

[LeoTC]

I’m gonna be straight with you dude...this is why I hate Keto. What good is your diet if straying from it is doing this to you? Keto has forced you to assign good and bad to foods and if sounds like it IS creating a disorder...

They're actually finding that the extreme exclusion diets are actually more likely to cause the development of eating disorders.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

They're actually finding that the extreme exclusion diets are actually more likely to cause the development of eating disorders.

That’s exactly what I said...

 

[LeoTC]

That’s exactly what I said...

Yeah, was actually going to post a recent study backing it.

But I posted post coitus, couldn't find it again right away, and couldn't be bothered. Was just a little affirmation Big Guy.

I'll tack on that study after bacon and coffee.

Prolly.

Maybe.

 

[JoeBlob12]

So I wanted to give an update with this.. I’ve been building up carbs to finally get to a 40p/40c/20f diet. I’ve added some carbs that I absolutely love and it has helped me get through the weekends no binges at all. I do still have serious obsessive problems though. All I think about is food and can’t wait to eat my next meal. I’ve been eating about 6 meals a day at 2800cals. I was eating 2400 on cycle. My appetite still hasn’t returned to normal from the tren and I’ve been off it for almost 8 weeks. Has this ever happened to anyone??? I’m on week 4 of my PCT right now.

So the added carbs and trying to create a better relationship with them has helped eliminate the sugar binges so thank you guys for suggesting that. But the obsession about each meal has stayed and I swear it’s from the tren. I NEVER get satiated no matter what. I eat dinner and could eat another no problem. I’m already thinking about ny next meal as I’m eating one.

Side note - this has been the worst PCT recovery I’ve ever had. I have been so lethargic throughout the day I can’t function at work. The only time I’m not lethargic is when I’m working out.

 

[JoeBlob12]

Here’s what I’ve been eating.. hopefully can get some feedback.

Meal 1:
1 cup cage free egg whites
2 whole eggs
4oz chicken or ground turkey

Meal 2:
1 cup rolled oats
1 cup silk almond milk
2 tbsp cinnamon
1 scoop whey isolate (chocolate/pb)

Meal 3:
8-10oz chicken/salmon/thighs/bison/swordfis
2 cups broccoli/brussel sprouts/asparagus

Meal 4 (pre w/o):
1/4 cup cream of rice
2 tbsp chocolate almond butter
1 scoop whey isolate

Meal 5 (post):
8-10oz chicken/salmon, etc
1 cup white long grain rice

Meal 6 (usually 30 minutes after meal 5 because I’m still hungry and am obsessing over food):
5oz canned tuna
1oz lite mozzarella cheese
1 whole grain wrap

OR enough eggs to reach my 2800 goal.

Today I finished at 284p/263c/71f and that’s usually about where it ends up.