Effect of High Levels of Test on blood LDL

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Do high levels of testosterone increase LDL and triglycerides ?

I know they lower HDL but I was curious a out the other two. People die while on cycles (or high cruises) due to cardiovascular diseases (mainly strokes and cardiac arrest), so I was wondering about the blood testable factors and the effect of high levels of testosterone on them.
 
Soon there are going to be threads asking if high test will make cry more.
Omg search it and you find the answer. A simple google search will give you the answer. How on earth have you managed to not do that and instead search a thread on a forum which takes a lot longer
 
Soon there are going to be threads asking if high test will make cry more.
Omg search it and you find the answer. A simple google search will give you the answer. How on earth have you managed to not do that and instead search a thread on a forum which takes a lot longer

Google and ChatGPT point out to studies on TRT saying that it shows inconsistent results (obviously those studies and meta-analysis are done on non-supra physiological testosterone dosages). Here people have a much better insight on the effect of truly high dosages on blood tests.
 
When i go on a cycle my LDL and HDL levels both drop. but i run multiple compound and not just higher test. And the dosages aren't high these days. When i used to run bigger cycles years ago my cholesterol levels stayed about the same.
 
Just to give an update:

I've been cruising on VERY high doses of testosterone (nothing else) for the last 4 years or so.

Regarding HDL, LDL and triglycerides, only HDL is out of recommended bounds (a little below recommended levels).

I've always had an excellent diet.

LDL: 114 mg/dL
HDL: 34 mg/dL
Triglycerides: 69 mg/dL
 
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Just to give an update:

I've been cruising on VERY high doses of testosterone (nothing else) for the last 4 years or so.

I've always had an excellent diet.

LDL: 114 mg/dL
HDL: 34 mg/dL
Triglycerides: 69 mg/dL
Are you on any statins or cholesterol supplements?
 
Are you on any statins or cholesterol supplements?
No, nothing.

Just a really great diet that includes a small sardine daily (I bake it in the microwave), two handful of mixed nuts (no processed whatsoever, no added salt, not fried); cook everything with olive oil; lots of peanut butter (no additives, just 100% peanuts mechanically pressed) with fruit. Eat very little red meat. Also, no egg yolk (since testosterone on itself is hard on cholesterol - Studies that show no significant impact of egg yolk on LDL are done with people who don't use gear). Lots of water and fruits and (non processed) oatmeal.
 
Just to give an update:

I've been cruising on VERY high doses of testosterone (nothing else) for the last 4 years or so.

Regarding HDL, LDL and triglycerides, only HDL is out of recommended bounds (a little below recommended levels).

I've always had an excellent diet.

LDL: 114 mg/dL
HDL: 34 mg/dL
Triglycerides: 69 mg/dL

ApoB is important. I use and recommend the Quest "CardioIQ Advanced Lipid Panel".

114mg/dL is high, not 'goddamn you're gonna die next week' high, but high enough that it's likely causing an increasing plaque burden that may eventually kill you if your genetics aren't awesome. Soooooo.

What's your family history like? How old are you? Blood pressure is good? By good, I really 120/80 or less and no 130 over something is not okay. Finally, if you really want to avoid lipid management, get a CT-CAC. If you have a non-zero calcium score above the margin of error, then I'd seriously consider lipid management.

Non pharma approaches would include psyllium husk, EPA, and citrus bergamot as well as daily cardio.
 
No, nothing.

Just a really great diet that includes a small sardine daily (I bake it in the microwave), two handful of mixed nuts (no processed whatsoever, no added salt, not fried); cook everything with olive oil; lots of peanut butter (no additives, just 100% peanuts mechanically pressed) with fruit. Eat very little red meat. Also, no egg yolk (since testosterone on itself is hard on cholesterol - Studies that show no significant impact of egg yolk on LDL are done with people who don't use gear). Lots of water and fruits and (non processed) oatmeal.
If you microwaved a sardine every single day, your house would never stop smelling like microwaved sardines.
That's the greatest thing I've read this week.
 
No, nothing.

Just a really great diet that includes a small sardine daily (I bake it in the microwave), two handful of mixed nuts (no processed whatsoever, no added salt, not fried); cook everything with olive oil; lots of peanut butter (no additives, just 100% peanuts mechanically pressed) with fruit. Eat very little red meat. Also, no egg yolk (since testosterone on itself is hard on cholesterol - Studies that show no significant impact of egg yolk on LDL are done with people who don't use gear). Lots of water and fruits and (non processed) oatmeal.

AFAIK Peanuts have aflatoxin. Valencia peanuts due to growings/storing conditions are supposed to have little to none. Eating a little may be fine but you said "lots".

Egg yolk, I read is very nutritious. Dietary CHOL isn't supposed to influence serum CHOL except in a minority of people. Most CHOL is made in the liver. If you're curious you could run labs with/without eggs.
 
I am not a scientist so dont take it as absolute truth what I am saying here.

Prior going on TRT (way upper end of ref) I was having an appointment with a leading endocrinologist/andrologist in my country.
Beside his public research I talked with him openly about everything I wanted to know from him with my knowledge back then.

What he told me was I can titrate the dose upwards as high as I want to until I suffer E2 issues or a too high RBC. Thats the shortest way to describe his opinion with thousands of patients data he got.

He even told me he got guys who are on 500mg Test weekly without AI in his check ups which are totally fine but those are not the rule.

He even made my insurance cover a genetic test regarding CAG repeats on the AR.

Regarding blood cholestrol levels I conducted some self research on why oral roids cause to skew them way more than injectable DHT derivatives. I could not find a clear answer to that question but as far as I remember some enzymes in the liver tend to be affected way more by orals in general which cause that issues.

The more important question regarding lipids would be the actual reason to cause plaques in our arteries. There is a huge variance in "baseline" cholesterol levels amongst people. Sadly, I do not have any data to provide but based on family histories I have seen many families with many cardiovascular diseases regarding plaques with "perfect" cholesterol levels and families with "high" baseline cholesterol levels with basically no cardiovascular events for the most part.

Perhaps there is someone out there who can provide some more input about that topic.
In the end no one got benefits having better bloodwork cosmetics if the issues are not miligated.
 
Just to give an update:

I've been cruising on VERY high doses of testosterone (nothing else) for the last 4 years or so.

Regarding HDL, LDL and triglycerides, only HDL is out of recommended bounds (a little below recommended levels).

I've always had an excellent diet.

LDL: 114 mg/dL
HDL: 34 mg/dL
Triglycerides: 69 mg/dL

Your cholesterol level are not good :)
 
There are several factors that can effect plaque levels from my reading. LDL/cholesterol is just the one government/medicine has choose to look at and push LDL as the main culprit. Can't say a agree.
 
Egg yolk, I read is very nutritious. Dietary CHOL isn't supposed to influence serum CHOL except in a minority of people. Most CHOL is made in the liver. If you're curious you could run labs with/without eggs.

This is correct. Dietary saturated fat is more of an issue for some vs dietary cholesterol. As you correctly pointed out, LDL synthesis and reuptake happens in the liver in response to various conditions in the body.

The more important question regarding lipids would be the actual reason to cause plaques in our arteries. There is a huge variance in "baseline" cholesterol levels amongst people. Sadly, I do not have any data to provide but based on family histories I have seen many families with many cardiovascular diseases regarding plaques with "perfect" cholesterol levels and families with "high" baseline cholesterol levels with basically no cardiovascular events for the most part.

The actual reason plaques accumulate is well understood by the scientific community. It's less well understoood and communicated by cardiologists and the medical community in general. At the level of the lay person there are all kinds of wacky theories.

In short, endothelial damage occurs from any number of various reasons like hypertension, metabolic syndrome, chronic inflammation, or oxidative stress. Once damaged, atherogenic particles enter the subendothelial space and from there the process begins. I'll spare you the details of the process.

There are two primary aspects to this that are individually necessary, but not sufficient to cause ASCVD which requires both. That is to say, there must be endothelial damage and there must be atherogenic particles. There are people with elevated biomarkers for atherogenic particles that are otherwise genetically gifted with regard to the endothelial resilience that do not suffer from ASCVD. There are people that lost the genetic lottery in that sense or suffer from any number of conditions that exacerbate endothelial damage (like smoking) that a small number of atherogenic particles is sufficient to cause a great deal of disease.

In the end no one got benefits having better bloodwork cosmetics if the issues are not miligated.

This is why outcome trials are necessary for any particular intervention. Niacin, for example, improves biomarkers, but negatively impact outcomes. Generally speaking, outcome trials are the final step in drug development.

Most recently, the drug bempedoic acid show positive outcomes in the CLEAR outcomes trial which was completed in late 2023. Prior to that, Repatha (evolocumab) demonstrated positive outcomes in the FOURIER trial.
 
This is correct. Dietary saturated fat is more of an issue for some vs dietary cholesterol. As you correctly pointed out, LDL synthesis and reuptake happens in the liver in response to various conditions in the body.



The actual reason plaques accumulate is well understood by the scientific community. It's less well understoood and communicated by cardiologists and the medical community in general. At the level of the lay person there are all kinds of wacky theories.

In short, endothelial damage occurs from any number of various reasons like hypertension, metabolic syndrome, chronic inflammation, or oxidative stress. Once damaged, atherogenic particles enter the subendothelial space and from there the process begins. I'll spare you the details of the process.

There are two primary aspects to this that are individually necessary, but not sufficient to cause ASCVD which requires both. That is to say, there must be endothelial damage and there must be atherogenic particles. There are people with elevated biomarkers for atherogenic particles that are otherwise genetically gifted with regard to the endothelial resilience that do not suffer from ASCVD. There are people that lost the genetic lottery in that sense or suffer from any number of conditions that exacerbate endothelial damage (like smoking) that a small number of atherogenic particles is sufficient to cause a great deal of disease.



This is why outcome trials are necessary for any particular intervention. Niacin, for example, improves biomarkers, but negatively impact outcomes. Generally speaking, outcome trials are the final step in drug development.

Most recently, the drug bempedoic acid show positive outcomes in the CLEAR outcomes trial which was completed in late 2023. Prior to that, Repatha (evolocumab) demonstrated positive outcomes in the FOURIER trial.
I really appreciate your knowledge on all these cholesterol matter and cardiac risk prevention.
 
Do high levels of testosterone increase LDL and triglycerides ?

I know they lower HDL but I was curious a out the other two. People die while on cycles (or high cruises) due to cardiovascular diseases (mainly strokes and cardiac arrest), so I was wondering about the blood testable factors and the effect of high levels of testosterone on them.
Well understood effect of androgens.


Sincerely,
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One more. Sorry, gotta run back to washing those dishes. Don't hate. It's honest work, and the only loser is the able bodied man who won't.
 

One more. Sorry, gotta run back to washing those dishes. Don't hate. It's honest work, and the only loser is the able bodied man who won't.
High tryglicerides are a sign of insulin resistance as well if I'm not mistaken. So many fucking thing connected...

Sometime I think I know a lot more shit than the average GP. When I start asking some questions to doctors most of them look so clueless lol
 
High tryglicerides are a sign of insulin resistance as well if I'm not mistaken. So many fucking thing connected...

Sometime I think I know a lot more shit than the average GP. When I start asking some questions to doctors most of them look so clueless lol
You are extremely well educated in many of these topics. I have enjoyed your thyroid posts.

To your point we recently discussed the TyG calculator which does as good a job as fasting insulin. The OPs hdl-c suggests Test abuse. But we don't have his baseline. I'd guess it was higher. His diet appears decent.
 
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