Epistane PCT

[Nemesis]

Hey Guys, haven't been around here for a long time (not since it was mesomorphosis). Anyway, I'm 39 and am looking to do a relatively moderate cycle. I can't go the AAS route because I got busted abut 12 years ago by postal and can't take the risk anymore (married with kids now). So, I gotta go the legal route and Epistane seems to be one of the only worthwhile options.

Hoping you guys could give me some advice on PCT for this and have a quick look at the dosage.
Week 1 Epi 30mg per day
Week 2-5 Epi 40mg per day

I can get Nolvadex for PCT but have seen lots of posts on fanboy sites saying Clomid is the best choice (?) along with boatloads of in vogue supps - mostly 'bro science' methinks. What would you guys recommend? I'm married so I don't want to fuck around with my libido and I don't want nuts like raisens. I messed up PCT the last time on AAS and it took me over 6 months to recover - so I definitely don't want to go down that road. Besides Nolva or Clomid, what OTC supps should I add to this?

I realise that this is a very mild cycle around these parts but I'm getting older am less inclined to take potential risks. As far as training goes, I do MMA and BJJ every other day and 5x5's (Strong Lifts version) 3 times per week. I've always been a hardgainer which suited when I fought competitively but now that I just train for fun I want to add some muscle.

Help and advice would be most welcome.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Do yourself a favor and save money. The supplement will be worthless. But, should you decide to move forward, get labs to prove to yourself and others it is a waste. Keep it simple - LH & TT.

 

[heel hook]

Epistane never worked for me but HDROL worked very well 3-4 yrs ago, they still sell it legally but I don't know if it as good as back then.

 

[Nemesis]

Thanks for the reply. Do you mean that Epistane / Havoc doesn't work at all or just that it's just very weak? I've been out of the whole AAS and supps world for a long time now so I'm back on the learning curve again. Re "Keep it simple - LH & TT." - I'm really out of the game so I'm not sure what those acronyms are... If I was in the US I would probably go for TRT but it's not an option here. Is there anything OTC worth considering or is it all crap?
Thanks again

 

[Nemesis]

Epistane never worked for me but HDROL worked very well 3-4 yrs ago, they still sell it legally but I don't know if it as good as back then.

Yeah I've been reading up on Hdrol and Sdrol which seem to have good reports. The reason I was looking at Epistane/Havoc was the reduced sides. I'll have another read up on Hdrol and see what it's all about.
Cheers

 

[mands]

Thanks for the reply. Do you mean that Epistane / Havoc doesn't work at all or just that it's just very weak? I've been out of the whole AAS and supps world for a long time now so I'm back on the learning curve again. Re "Keep it simple - LH & TT." - I'm really out of the game so I'm not sure what those acronyms are... If I was in the US I would probably go for TRT but it's not an option here. Is there anything OTC worth considering or is it all crap?
Thanks again

Dr. Scally is telling you to get labs(blood work) before and during your run with Epistane. Just to varify you are wasting your money.

LH- Luteinizing Hormone and TT- Total Testosterone.

mands

 

[workinghard89]

From my own personal experience I hated epistane. It was so lethargic the entire time. The gains were good tho and easy to keep. I used it to cut and it worked for me. But I dont like the feeling on it. And for that I wouldn't recommend it.
but my experience with h drol was fantastic. 75 mgs ed for 40 days. For pct finaflex revolution black. Start it the last week of your cycle. And the day after you finished the cycle. Nolva 20\20\10\10. And run a 3 grams of daspartic acid for 30 days. And get bloods after.
but this was just my run.
Obviously you get all necessary cycle assist. And tudca for safety. But at 40 just get test

 

[RagingWilly]

I personally had good recomps with Epistane in the past, However much emphasis on "the past."

Most Epistane products nowadays are cut with fillers and are full of shitty clones, ever since the ban of PH's

Hope this shined some light on the subject for you.

-Willy

 

[RagingWilly]

Ahhh and as far as PCT goes. I stick to the standard.
Clomid. 100/75/50/25
Nolva. 20/20/10/10 - Only if you do end up aromatizing (Real Epistane does not)
DAA

 

[heel hook]

Yeah I've been reading up on Hdrol and Sdrol which seem to have good reports. The reason I was looking at Epistane/Havoc was the reduced sides. I'll have another read up on Hdrol and see what it's all about.
Cheers

Superdrol is stronger than HDROL, SDROL is another I gained no benefit from Hdrol many say is like a legal Turnibol, again I got great gains from it but the formula may have changed the last time I tried it maybe 8 months ago I got nothing probably needed to up the dose, Pro hormones do work well many times but I prefer to stay away as the long term sides are unknown.

 

[TheGuy85]

I have Halodrol, I used H-plex/Haloplex by Hardrock Supplements. I ran it for 6 weeks and got pretty lethargic around week 4-5. I think I should have just stopped at 5 weeks, I ran it at 75mg ED. I ran it with Cycle Assist and did PCT with Clomid. I kept 15 lbs on bench after PCT and about 20-25 lbs on Squat, don't remember deadlift, my overhead press I kept about 10 lbs. That is what I kept I did lose some gains (though my diet has not always been up to par ), it also helped my endurance but I had to work through shin, calf, and back pumps. I believe it is a pretty good supplement that works, but they have stronger stuff out there like Methylstenbolone and Dymethazine which are legal and readily available, just look on Amazon .

 

[Nemesis]

Dr. Scally is telling you to get labs(blood work) before and during your run with Epistane. Just to varify you are wasting your money.

LH- Luteinizing Hormone and TT- Total Testosterone.

mands

Ah cool, I just got full medical including physical exam, everything is normal right now. I haven't used for a long time and other than some booze here and there my diet is clean and I'm fit as a racehorse. I'll get another set of bloods done after whatever cycle I go with and log the changes with another follow up 3 months after to check for recovery etc.
Thanks for explaining

 

[Jayman]

I found it odd that my testicles actually got a little bigger when I was on epistane. is that normal? Does that mean I wasn't shut down?

 

[dnoyez]

I found it odd that my testicles actually got a little bigger when I was on epistane. is that normal? Does that mean I wasn't shut down?

epistane is an analogue of an anti-estrogen drug in Japan.