epo order. Got burned.

So I tried to order some epogen online. Had good reviews from people and seemed legit. Needless to say it never arrived and they have stopped responding to my emails. If anyone has a legit source pm me please. I have tried to find a source for weeks so dont tell me im not trying. Thanks in advance.
You haven't been trying here for very long
 

I am not trying to be a prick here just trying to further my knowledge and if I'm wrong please direct me to a article stating EQ drys out joints. As far as I'm aware EQ is one of the best compounds for cologen synthesis increasing cologen synthesis by up to 360% in the study I read and the cologen that is formed is stronger then normal making joints feel better. All I know that's my knowledge tapped out :p
 
I am not trying to be a prick here just trying to further my knowledge and if I'm wrong please direct me to a article stating EQ drys out joints. As far as I'm aware EQ is one of the best compounds for cologen synthesis increasing cologen synthesis by up to 360% in the study I read and the cologen that is formed is stronger then normal making joints feel better. All I know that's my knowledge tapped out :p
You are correct! Helps my joints every time!
 
I am not trying to be a prick here just trying to further my knowledge and if I'm wrong please direct me to a article stating EQ drys out joints. As far as I'm aware EQ is one of the best compounds for cologen synthesis increasing cologen synthesis by up to 360% in the study I read and the cologen that is formed is stronger then normal making joints feel better. All I know that's my knowledge tapped out :p
That's a common misconception, maybe @Dr JIM will chime in and explain.
 
Ya I was thinking I've had the conversation before but need something more definitive or if @Dr JIM can call me retarded for what I've said that's also good enough for me :D care to help out dr?
 
dude I wouldn't trust any EPO source out there that wasn't from a dirty doctor himself

that shit is dangerous as fuck.
 
Interesting! I have always felt some joint relief When on EQ. Even When stacking with winny, which dries my joints terribley.
EQ is very odd, but for me and a great deal others, it dried my joints up bad, and for a person that does endurance, that sucks ass.
 
I am not trying to be a prick here just trying to further my knowledge and if I'm wrong please direct me to a article stating EQ drys out joints. As far as I'm aware EQ is one of the best compounds for cologen synthesis increasing cologen synthesis by up to 360% in the study I read and the cologen that is formed is stronger then normal making joints feel better. All I know that's my knowledge tapped out :p

It's unfortunate that this commonly held belief has been propagated on soooo many AAS forums RT.

Yea and I'm quite sure I reviewed the article your referring to as it was posted on Meso a while back. However bc the data cited was extrapolated from studies which evaluated the influence of AAS on collagen PRECURSORS the results must NOT be applied in an organ specific manner. The point being, since ALL cells require collagen to varying degrees research that determines the impact of AAS using serum collagen or it's precursors, say's next to nothing about how their use effects joint or MS healing.

That's to say while AAS DO enhance collagen synthesis there is NO EVIDENCE these agents specifically enhance collagen production within SKM or accelerate it's incorporation into articular collagenous structures such as ligaments, tendons, fascial structure and most certainly have no effect on the generation of "new" hyaline cartilage.

There is NO EVIDENCE AAS specifically enhance articular collagen or SKM collagen synthesis mate.
Fact is existing data supports the antithesis, in that AAS are more likely to be deleterious with respect to articular cartilage synthesis.
 
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It's unfortunate that this commonly held belief has been propagated on soooo many AAS forums RT.

Yea and I'm quite sure I reviewed the article your referring to as it was posted on Meso a while back. However bc the data cited was extrapolated from studies which evaluated the influence of AAS on collagen PRECURSORS the results must NOT be applied in an organ specific manner. The point being, since ALL cells require collagen to varying degrees research that determines the impact of AAS using serum collagen or it's precursors, say's next to nothing about how their use effects joint or MS healing.

That's to say while AAS DO enhance collagen synthesis there is NO EVIDENCE these agents specifically enhance collagen production within SKM or accelerate it's incorporation into articular collagenous structures such as ligaments, tendons, fascial structure and most certainly have no effect on the generation of "new" hyaline cartilage.

There is NO EVIDENCE AAS specifically enhance articular collagen or SKM synthesis mate.
Fact is existing data supports the antithesis, in that AAS are more likely to be deleterious with respect to articular cartilage synthesis.

Well there we have it @Bob Dole i am retarded and you are correct! Thank you JIM for clearing that up for me I appreciate a more educated view. I believe I was mislead with the fancy stats on the article saying 360% increase in synthesis making my mind jump to repair instantly but in looking back it did say winny gave like 180% cologen synthesis and I know that compound doesn't help joints. Appreciate being humbled thank you.

Edit: I am saying this sincerely and you know that's true cause here are some smileys!:rolleyes::D:cool::)
 
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Well there we have it @Bob Dole i am retarded and you are correct! Thank you JIM for clearing that up for me I appreciate a more educated view. I believe I was mislead with the fancy stats on the article saying 360% increase in synthesis making my mind jump to repair instantly but in looking back it did say winny gave like 180% cologen synthesis and I know that compound doesn't help joints. Appreciate being humbled thank you.
Not at all, like I said, this is a common misconception.
 
Not at all, like I said, this is a common misconception.

Is it possible it has a different effect on each individual? I've been running eq for 8 weeks. I'm a powerlifter and my joints have always been my downfall especially since bench is one of my stronger lifts. I've had no experience of any discomfort in any joints.
 
Is it possible it has a different effect on each individual? I've been running eq for 8 weeks. I'm a powerlifter and my joints have always been my downfall especially since bench is one of my stronger lifts. I've had no experience of any discomfort in any joints.
I am no expert, what I can tell you is prior to running it I researched it hardcore (like I do for any drug I plan to put in my body) and I was well aware that this was one of the "potential" side effects. I will say this, in 2015, I ran a good amount over 2000 miles with about 800 of those miles going up and down mountains and I lifted at least twice a week most of the year. I am over 45, so I am sure those miles and lifting played a major part with my joint pain and eventual injuries that shut me down from all training until this past week.
 

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