EQ and Blood Pressure

[K0balt]

Is anyone here a big fan of EQ?

The general consensus I've gotten from meso is that most folks believe it to be a waste of time and money. I'm no expert, only have a few cycles under my belt and most of these have been test only cycles. From what I've researched I feel like EQ would be a compound I'd definitely like to try, and one I would see good results from since I've never experimented with anything like tren or the like.

Yet from my previous long cycles I've learned that I'm pretty susceptible to acne, hair loss, and slight increase in blood pressure. The last one obviously worries me the most.

I would love to give EQ a shot especially since I just got my hands on some tri-boldenone, EQ with several different esters. The benefits seem to outweigh the issues in my opinion. But this is still a compound that is known for messing with BP and needs to be run for a long while. I don't want to run it at risk of jacking up my blood pressure. Thoughts?

 

[BigNattyDaddy]

Monitor BP while you use it

 

[Sdryx]

Telmisartan @ 40mg/day

Monitor BP daily and adjust dose accordingly.

 

[heavylifter87]

Did raise mine slightly , ran for 12 weeks 500 mgs , I forget if I front loaded ..definitely more vascular, little more appetite , and most of all crazy endurance when i trained .. could do extra sets no problem . Overall it was OK i did hit my heaviest bodyweight ever but was eating a ton . I like deca more personally .. doenst effect my bp much felt good on it

 

[K0balt]

All great advice, thank you guys. But I do still have some doubts...

@BigNattyDaddy @Sdryx
Monitoring BP is the right way to go about it, and telmisartan does seem like it would be very helpful on a cycle like this. Plus I would do everything else in my power to keep my ticker working right and talk to my doc if things take a sudden shift.
But the idea of getting on any kind of BP medication kind of worries me due to the possibility of rebound after getting off of it. I am still in my 20s and although I can't take back the decisions I've made in the past I do wanna stay in this for the long haul.

@heavylifter87
Thats what really turned me on to it. EQ seems like it would be a great compound in a recomp type of cycle. One where you could stay relatively lean yet put on good size through a healthy appetite.

 

[Sdryx]

All great advice, thank you guys. But I do still have some doubts...

@BigNattyDaddy @Sdryx
Monitoring BP is the right way to go about it, and telmisartan does seem like it would be very helpful on a cycle like this. Plus I would do everything else in my power to keep my ticker working right and talk to my doc if things take a sudden shift.
But the idea of getting on any kind of BP medication kind of worries me due to the possibility of rebound after getting off of it. I am still in my 20s and although I can't take back the decisions I've made in the past I do wanna stay in this for the long haul.

@heavylifter87
Thats what really turned me on to it. EQ seems like it would be a great compound in a recomp type of cycle. One where you could stay relatively lean yet put on good size through a healthy appetite.

“Furthermore, there were no rebound phenomenon and no tolerance to the drug developed in the repeated oral administration.“

[Pharmacological and clinical profile of telmisartan, a selective angiotensin II type-1 receptor blocker]. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Steve7888]

I'm currently on 600mg eq and test...bp slightly elevated (prehypertensive) but I'm like that off cycle genetically. Ran 900mg eq for a week and bp skyrocketed bad.

Buy a bp monitor with appropriate sleeve size. Keep estro in check.

eq is molecularly similar to dbol...at higher doses I do react like its dbol in terms of bloat and high bp. great endurance and vascularity but not the strength from dbol.

I think at a lower dose it shines with good diet and cardio.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Used EQ once. This was many years ago. The only memorable thing i recall is looking like i had chicken pox.

Had tiny little pimples everywhere on my upper body. Back then i didn't know fuck all about esters, so i don't believe i ran it for very long, so i didn't really get the full experience.

 

[Morefyah]

Is anyone here a big fan of EQ?

The general consensus I've gotten from meso is that most folks believe it to be a waste of time and money. I'm no expert, only have a few cycles under my belt and most of these have been test only cycles. From what I've researched I feel like EQ would be a compound I'd definitely like to try, and one I would see good results from since I've never experimented with anything like tren or the like.

Yet from my previous long cycles I've learned that I'm pretty susceptible to acne, hair loss, and slight increase in blood pressure. The last one obviously worries me the most.

I would love to give EQ a shot especially since I just got my hands on some tri-boldenone, EQ with several different esters. The benefits seem to outweigh the issues in my opinion. But this is still a compound that is known for messing with BP and needs to be run for a long while. I don't want to run it at risk of jacking up my blood pressure. Thoughts?

I ran 1000ng -1200mg for 22wks.
No sides, no anxiety, no appetite increase, no high blood pressure or elevated HCT though I donated three times during that blast. Oh and no real Strength increased either. What EQ did give me was crazy endurance, felt like I could work out for 2-3 hours ed. It also gave decent recovery, muscle separation and vascularity.

Was it worth staying “ON” for that long just for the EQ? Hell NO!! You can make better gains on a ten week test/NPP cycle or even a 8 week Tren cycle. Imo it’s just not worth using unless your and ended athlete. Which makes sense because that’s what it was created for in the first place.

 

[K0balt]

It seems to me that on paper EQ sounds like a great drug for a relative beginner to make solid lean gains. For someone who's never tried anything like Tren or Primo before, I think this would be the right time to give Boldenone a shot and see how it works for me. A compound that could help keep you in the gym for hours as well as increase appetite and keep bodyfat in check sounds ideal.

The only thing that really caused me worry was the BP spike. But I suppose that's manageable if the dose is kept at less than 600mg or so and other preventive measures are taken.

@Sdryx
That's very interesting... I'll give it a read, thanks. Have you ever tried telmisartan before?

@MisterSuperGod
I still haven't figured out how to deal with acne on cycle. Just something that can't really be prevented if you're susceptible to it I guess. A high increase in testosterone by definition just seems to cause acne.

@Steve7888
Yea I think you hit the nail on the head. Low dose+cardio+clean diet would make the most of an EQ cycle. I noticed that one of the only times my BP really gave me any trouble was during a cycle when I stayed on dbol for too long.

@Morefyah
That's interesting. But did you make any noticeable changes in body composition? That's where I've heard the most good things about this drug. People claim to really witness good gains and lowered bodyfat within the last few weeks.

 

[Sdryx]

It seems to me that on paper EQ sounds like a great drug for a relative beginner to make solid lean gains. For someone who's never tried anything like Tren or Primo before, I think this would be the right time to give Boldenone a shot and see how it works for me. A compound that could help keep you in the gym for hours as well as increase appetite and keep bodyfat in check sounds ideal.

The only thing that really caused me worry was the BP spike. But I suppose that's manageable if the dose is kept at less than 600mg or so and other preventive measures are taken.

@Sdryx
That's very interesting... I'll give it a read, thanks. Have you ever tried telmisartan before?

@MisterSuperGod
I still haven't figured out how to deal with acne on cycle. Just something that can't really be prevented if you're susceptible to it I guess. A high increase in testosterone by definition just seems to cause acne.

@Steve7888
Yea I think you hit the nail on the head. Low dose+cardio+clean diet would make the most of an EQ cycle. I noticed that one of the only times my BP really gave me any trouble was during a cycle when I stayed on dbol for too long.

@Morefyah
That's interesting. But did you make any noticeable changes in body composition? That's where I've heard the most good things about this drug. People claim to really witness good gains and lowered bodyfat within the last few weeks.

I’m on it now! Managed by the pharmacist that I lived with!

You will want Telmisartan over Lisinopril as that is just as effective, however, there is a chance that it can cause respiratory issues in a small population of users.

 

[Morefyah]

It seems to me that on paper EQ sounds like a great drug for a relative beginner to make solid lean gains. For someone who's never tried anything like Tren or Primo before, I think this would be the right time to give Boldenone a shot and see how it works for me. A compound that could help keep you in the gym for hours as well as increase appetite and keep bodyfat in check sounds ideal.

The only thing that really caused me worry was the BP spike. But I suppose that's manageable if the dose is kept at less than 600mg or so and other preventive measures are taken.

@Sdryx
That's very interesting... I'll give it a read, thanks. Have you ever tried telmisartan before?

@MisterSuperGod
I still haven't figured out how to deal with acne on cycle. Just something that can't really be prevented if you're susceptible to it I guess. A high increase in testosterone by definition just seems to cause acne.

@Steve7888
Yea I think you hit the nail on the head. Low dose+cardio+clean diet would make the most of an EQ cycle. I noticed that one of the only times my BP really gave me any trouble was during a cycle when I stayed on dbol for too long.

@Morefyah
That's interesting. But did you make any noticeable changes in body composition? That's where I've heard the most good things about this drug. People claim to really witness good gains and lowered bodyfat within the last few weeks.

You keep mentioning high Blood pressure? All AAS raise blood pressure and EQ was one of the mildest in that department. Instead of going off a few members personal reaction to EQ I highly recommended you research other forums, because high BP is not mentioned very often with EQ. Running High Test raises my BP way more then EQ. You shouldn’t base your opinion on a few memeber responses including myself. There are to many variables at hand and with out knowing what else these people were using besides EQ, whether or not they were already predisposed to high BP, don’t assume it was just the EQ. Like I mention earlier some people get crazy anxiety on 600mg. I ran 1200mg for over 20 weeks and had no sides what so ever!
Also Zero hunger increase!!

I already stated the best effect was endurance and muscle separation. I get this same effect from mast and don’t need to run it for 16-20 weeks. If you still PCT don’t even consider EQ!! I said I felt like working out for 2-3 hours but I didn’t because that would be retarded and cause more harm then good as far as recovery is concerned. I’m telling you man running 10 weeks of mast and NPP shits on running EQ for 20. If you no longer run a pct give it a go, but don’t expect much. Oh and EQ didn’t do shit for fat loss or lean gains. Only diet would dictate those changes.

 

[K0balt]

@Sdryx
Thanks for the advice brother. Lol living with a pharmacist sounds like a great advantage in this business. I'll look into Telmisartan.

@Morefyah
I appreciate it, what you're saying does make a lot of sense. AAS in general affects blood pressure so I suppose it shouldn't be such a big factor. I was also considering an NPP cycle but due to my current job it would be difficult for me to pin more frequently. Plus, I'm going to be using some sustanon I have on hand and I'm not sure sust and npp would be the best marriage due to the longer ester in the sustanon blend. Out of curiosity, why do you say not to consider EQ unless I'm b&c? Is it because of how long you have to stay on to see effects?

 

[Morefyah]

@Sdryx
Thanks for the advice brother. Lol living with a pharmacist sounds like a great advantage in this business. I'll look into Telmisartan.

@Morefyah
I appreciate it, what you're saying does make a lot of sense. AAS in general affects blood pressure so I suppose it shouldn't be such a big factor. I was also considering an NPP cycle but due to my current job it would be difficult for me to pin more frequently. Plus, I'm going to be using some sustanon I have on hand and I'm not sure sust and npp would be the best marriage due to the longer ester in the sustanon blend. Out of curiosity, why do you say not to consider EQ unless I'm b&c? Is it because of how long you have to stay on to see effects?

I have never used Sust brother and never plan on using it. It looks good on paper but imo best avoided especially if you still run a pct. The PROP and phenyl prop will kick in right away but there dosed so low and it’s hard to get a lot of benefits out of those test esters. The Iso and Deca Test won’t kick in for 4-6 weeks. This is the reason this blend needs to be pinned at least three times a week. Which in reality would match perfectly with a M, W, F, NPP pinning schedule. Here’s an example if you ran sust and NPP for say 14 weeks you wouldn’t be able to start pct until week 20!! Then after a 4 week pct you just shut yourself down for 24 weeks or six months.

If you chose to run Sust and EQ together or any Test Ester for that matter for say 16 weeks, you wouldn’t be able to start pct until week 22. Then add a 4-6 week pct to that and again you just shut yourself down for over 6 months.

These are Facts when it comes to the clearance times I mentioned with these drugs. If you think the added muscle separation and endurance is worth shutting your natty test down for this long, then sust and EQ are exactly what your looking for.

I think it’s time for you to rethink your options and perhaps choose more feesable compounds to suit your needs and current PCt lifestyle.

 

[Big_paul]

The general consensus I've gotten from meso is that most folks believe it to be a waste of time and money. I

Wtf are they talking about. Plan on a long cycle but for vascularity only Tren is tops.

As far as BP that is a problem with any cycle.

 

[K0balt]

I've ran a couple longer cycles and have made pretty good, lasting gains from them. Of course you're right, being shut down for a long time sucks and in a lot of cases you could probably make the same gains on a shorter cycle especially when using something like tren or npp. Maybe I'll reconsider, but I do wanna give EQ a chance now at some point while I'm still fresh to this game.

 

[Morefyah]

I've ran a couple longer cycles and have made pretty good, lasting gains from them. Of course you're right, being shut down for a long time sucks and in a lot of cases you could probably make the same gains on a shorter cycle especially when using something like tren or npp. Maybe I'll reconsider, but I do wanna give EQ a chance now at some point while I'm still fresh to this game.

Lmao, Dude there is no “probably make the same gains on a shorter cycle of Tren or NPP”
These three shouldn’t even be in the same sentence. EQ gains suck and the no more keepable then any other slightly aromatizig compound. Tren and NPP were just an example there are many others that shit on EQ as well. Lol, 6 weeks of 75mg of Tbol and a trt dose of test will shit on 16 weeks of EQ at 800mg. Six weeks vs the 16 plus. Lol EQ is a waste of time. You wanna run it so bad maybe jump on the Test-1 cup train I’m riding right now stacked with Tren, Mast and NPP. DHB is also know as super EQ or Super Primo because it’s is stronger then both and doesn’t need to be run for as long and it has zero pip!! Jk it’s the most painful pip I’ve ever felt. Man up and give it a go!!

 

[legendary]

I dropped it after 5 weeks. Hematocrit went from 49 to 53. To me it wasn’t worth it. But every person is different. I used 500mg wk for 5 weeks. That is one and only time rbc was fucked up. I have a lot on hand and may try it again at 200mg wk to hopefully lessen sides and boost hunger.

 

[picholas]

I'm on my 2nd EQ cycle, I run it for 16 weeks. I really enjoy the compound. I get nice muscle separation and vascularity. I'm on week 3 and up 8lbs. Test E 500mg/wk EQ 600mg/wk and 50mg proviron daily.

I might end the cycle with some Mast E for the last 6 weeks. Taper into the shorter esters Test P and Mast E when I drop the EQ at 16. I run the Test and Mast 2 weeks after dropping the EQ.

I'm on the younger side and recovered fine last time. Did the same thing just no proviron and mast.

But I will tell you my next cycle is going to be Test P and NPP with Anavar on the end.