Equipoise vs Primobolan

[RockyP]

If you've had an issue with EQ before I wouldn't jump in at 1:1. I'd go 2:1 with test or if you really want start higher than maximum 3:2 test to eq

Good idea. I’ll start 2:1 and use an AI to manage any excess e2 while I assess tolerability of EQ and dial in E2

 

[yoyoy]

Some guys notice anxiety from EQ, although imo I blame it mostly on crashed estradiol than something from the compound itself.

But the conversion to e1 instead of e2 maybe has something to do with inducing anxiety and I’m not so sure about that.

Also, EQ depletes gaba and after prolonged use you may need to supplement with gaba, this is another reason of potential anxiety but that’s easy to prevent by supplementing gaba. I take 3-4 times a week 750mg just for the peace of mind.

Another reason NOT to use EQ is if you deal with high RBC and HCT in the first place before adding the EQ. Personally I have a low HCT and despite I want to raise it EQ and other compounds ain’t doing anything. Probably my EPO stimulation is just low.

But having a 50+ HCT and going in a cycle with EQ is like asking for trouble, and not just EQ but high test, deca, primo and other steroids in general.

I don’t think I’ll be using primo again, I have some vials left for just in case but I’m fine with EQ. It’s way cheaper, always available, high concentration and painless in pinning. Primo is a b!tch. Gains are similar with EQ from what I’ve experienced so far but primo comes with a lot of reasons to avoid it.

I have seen Vig. Steve talking about the anxiety issues coming from the gaba depletion. Curious if supplementing gaba will mitigate this issue altogether.

 

[yoyoy]

Of course. Even if your HCT is getting high this day and age we know about so many ways and supplements to lower it, from methylene blue to IP6 and nattokinase..

I see no reason using primo, unless you're a pro or someone very wealthy (still, not this shitty period we're going through shortage) and willing to put a ton of money on a single compound.

That thing is getting more expensive than HGH, i mean why not use EQ and spend those extra dollars on getting more HGH? It's a no brainer if you're in a budget. Just my 2 cents, everyone must weigh all the options available and do the best for him. I used primo when i could find legit primo for $30, there's no way i'd pay double or triple for a bottle and cut something else from my stack.

I have bought a 10 pack of EQ 250 and will start using it in around 3 weeks. Im wondering whether EQ is really that far ahead from Primo in elevating the hematocrit. Btw, a good supplement for lowering HTC is serrapeptase (quite expensive) and sylimarin (cheap as chips)

 

[Eddie.]

I might need to try it. Especially because primo didn’t do much for my E2. Now running primo 50% higher than test w no issues. Even tho my LDL and ApoB are low primo did drop my already low HDL another 10%. Not really an issue with LDL as low as mine but still. It’d be nice to get same effects for a quarter of the price.

Would you suggest 1:1 ratio w test?

And I did the math again - EQ anxiety fiasco was 20 years ago…

If you've had an issue with EQ before I wouldn't jump in at 1:1. I'd go 2:1 with test or if you really want start higher than maximum 3:2 test to eq

I second this, 2:1 is definitely better. It doesn't take too long though to assess what's it doing to your e2, some guys think they need to wait 70 days (like it's peaking time) lol but you could check e2 in 3 weeks or preferably 4.

I have seen Vig. Steve talking about the anxiety issues coming from the gaba depletion. Curious if supplementing gaba will mitigate this issue altogether.

Yes, i have mentioned it in another post. I personally supplement 3-4 times a week with 750mg before bed just for the peace of mind. I think though this might be an issue deeper in the cycle and not from the start.

 

[ackmack78]

I second this, 2:1 is definitely better. It doesn't take too long though to assess what's it doing to your e2, some guys think they need to wait 70 days (like it's peaking time) lol but you could check e2 in 3 weeks or preferably 4.

I agree, I think the ai effect kicks in pretty quick like 1-2 weeks. Idon't have labs yet to back it up but that's what my experience says. 2 weeks into 400 test 200eq 200 deca I started to get low e2 symptoms. I aromatize like a pig even when lean so I was still taking my 12.5 Asin 2x a week. I dropped the AI and got better.

I have e2 labs scheduled this week so I'll see what the eq is doing aafter 4 weeks on cycle

 

[ackmack78]

Good idea. I’ll start 2:1 and use an AI to manage any excess e2 while I assess tolerability of EQ and dial in E2

See my above post about e2. I wouldn't try to manage it too aggressively. It's very possible your issue 20 years ago was from eq crushing your e2. So if you keep the eq lower but then go ahead and crush your e2 with AI on top of the EQ you might have the same result. I would take my usual AI the first week of the cycle then I would stop the ai. You could always taper down week 2 and then stop.

Also if you start to get those same side effects from years ago pull sensitive e2 labs right away and see what's going on instead of just stopping the eq. You might be able to get ahead of it and manage it instead of just stopping the eq and waiting the many weeks it takes to clear.

 

[Eddie.]

See my above post about e2. I wouldn't try to manage it too aggressively. It's very possible your issue 20 years ago was from eq crushing your e2. So if you keep the eq lower but then go ahead and crush your e2 with AI on top of the EQ you might have the same result. I would take my usual AI the first week of the cycle then I would stop the ai. You could always taper down week 2 and then stop.

Also if you start to get those same side effects from years ago pull sensitive e2 labs right away and see what's going on instead of just stopping the eq. You might be able to get ahead of it and manage it instead of just stopping the eq and waiting the many weeks it takes to clear.

Yeah, i agree with that.

Worst case scenario you'll have elevated e2. If you're prone to high e2 sides you'll notice it, otherwise you'll see it on the labs. I would prefer to let my e2 climb a little high and then get it back to normal than crashing it and wait for estradiol to rebound.

 

[craigdt]

I've traditionally run primo, but for my next bulking cycle, Im going to run Eq at a meaningful dose.

Hoping for the "more hunger" sides to help me bulk.

I like the concept of it being 300mg/ml, just to reduce the oil volume a bit. Never had any pip from any primo, so thats not a concern for me.

Think ill start at a 5/3 test/eq ratio, then adjust from there.

But I have generally really liked primo.
Of course its a slow burn, but felt very low side effect, and just didn't feel like a big deal, which is nice.

 

[F41l0r1337]

I love EQ.
The prerequisite is that your hematocrit value is no higher than 47%.

At 1050mg/week, I had a value of 53–54%, and at 700mg/week, I had a value of 49.9%.

Primo is too often faked,expensive, and has a high injection volume. It also kills your cholesterol.

Also changed my mind with Masteron, i dont think its a great muscle builder.. i rather take more test + ai on future..

 

[Kingshit108]

Of course. Even if your HCT is getting high this day and age we know about so many ways and supplements to lower it, from methylene blue to IP6 and nattokinase..

I see no reason using primo, unless you're a pro or someone very wealthy (still, not this shitty period we're going through shortage) and willing to put a ton of money on a single compound.

That thing is getting more expensive than HGH, i mean why not use EQ and spend those extra dollars on getting more HGH? It's a no brainer if you're in a budget. Just my 2 cents, everyone must weigh all the options available and do the best for him. I used primo when i could find legit primo for $30, there's no way i'd pay double or triple for a bottle and cut something else from my stack.

If you can cook it yourself primo becomes affordable... obviously the raw drought notwithstanding