Estrogen levels before and during Equipoise Cycle

[Fryguy]

Wanted to post these for reference. Prior to the cycle I was running 150mg UG test cyp with no ai as TRT. I ran EQ at 600mg and UG test cyp at 150mg with again no ai for 15 weeks. Results are typed out below as well.

Drawn 10/26/18 @8:18am
Testosterone serum: 1,453ng/dL
Testosterone free: 34pg/mL
Estradiol, sensitive: 84.2pg/mL

Drawn 1/04/2019 @8:54am
Testosterone serum: >1,500ng/dL
Testosterone free: >50pg/mL
Estradiol, sensitive: 6.9pg/mL

I've read about EQ acting as an ai, but never anything definitive. Essentially I had about a 77 point drop in estrogens in a 2 1/2 month period with no ai.

 

[Den84]

boldenone does not have an AI action. indeed, it should aromatize 50% less than the testosterone....

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Yeah man somethings wrong. EQ would contribute to elevated E. No change in AI, other compounds added...peculiar.

 

[Fryguy]

I was hoping to get some reasoning as to why the levels dropped so much while I was running it.

 

[Fryguy]

I did add anavar at some point. That's it, haven't touched an ai in close to a year.

 

[GdaddyGains]

Wanted to post these for reference. Prior to the cycle I was running 150mg UG test cyp with no ai as TRT. I ran EQ at 600mg and UG test cyp at 150mg with again no ai for 15 weeks. Results are typed out below as well.

Drawn 10/26/18 @8:18am
Testosterone serum: 1,453ng/dL
Testosterone free: 34pg/mL
Estradiol, sensitive: 84.2pg/mL

Drawn 1/04/2019 @8:54am
Testosterone serum: >1,500ng/dL
Testosterone free: >50pg/mL
Estradiol, sensitive: 6.9pg/mL

I've read about EQ acting as an ai, but never anything definitive. Essentially I had about a 77 point drop in estrogens in a 2 1/2 month period with no ai.

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84.2 pg/mL is high. Looks like an AI would do you good on 125 mg of test cyp. I had to run an AI on TRT as well. Sucks I aromatize easily.

 

[Fryguy]

True, I never have any side effects from the high e2. I also run hcg, so I might just try and drop that. Just got my wife preggos anyway.

 

[TideGear]

I pulled low E on an EQ and NPP cycle. I think mine was 7. No AI. I've read that it does aromatize and maybe it wasn't a sensitive test so I'm not suggesting anything, simply relating to the OPs experience. FWIW, I felt good at an E level of 7.

 

[johntt44]

I think I remember reading somewhere that some EQ metabolites convert to an AI like substance. Read it recently.....

 

[bickel29]

Because your "TRT" is UGL test cyp I am assuming that you have not used an actual TRT doc, correct? As in, you are not having a TRT doc oversee your bloods in between cycles?

The reason I ask is that your self described "TRT" test level of 1,453 is too high if TRT truly is your goal. TRT, when implemented correctly, should get you in between the normal range for a "Healthy Male for your age". Obviously, a test level of almost 1,500 I a lot higher than what would be "normal".

Not trying to be a stickler for detail or anything, but if maintaining a healthy, normal test level is truly your goal (TRT, as you have labeled) then you need to dial your test dosage back some.

 

[Fryguy]

I actually am on TRT through a Physican. Typically I keep my levels around 700ng/dL on 160mg pharma test cyp per week. Like most people on this board, I venture out of natty levels once or twice a year. I have posted other bloods while on TRT on this site as well.

 

[GdaddyGains]

Because your "TRT" is UGL test cyp I am assuming that you have not used an actual TRT doc, correct? As in, you are not having a TRT doc oversee your bloods in between cycles?

The reason I ask is that your self described "TRT" test level of 1,453 is too high if TRT truly is your goal. TRT, when implemented correctly, should get you in between the normal range for a "Healthy Male for your age". Obviously, a test level of almost 1,500 I a lot higher than what would be "normal".

Not trying to be a stickler for detail or anything, but if maintaining a healthy, normal test level is truly your goal (TRT, as you have labeled) then you need to dial your test dosage back some.

Yes I noticed that as well. The UGL may be overdosed lol.

 

[Fryguy]

Yes I noticed that as well. The UGL may be overdosed lol.

Yea, I only get 10× multipler on UGL. Pharma is always about 6×.

 

[bickel29]

I actually am on TRT through a Physican. Typically I keep my levels around 700ng/dL on 160mg pharma test cyp per week. Like most people on this board, I venture out of natty levels once or twice a year. I have posted other bloods while on TRT on this site as well.

Gotcha. I was just confused why you were referring to it as "TRT" if your levels were that high. When you say "Like most people on this board, I venture out of natty levels once or twice a year" - yeah, I realize that, but it's also no longer a TRT dose at that point. Again, I was just confused by the use of the label "TRT" in your scenario.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Fryguy]

Gotcha. I was just confused why you were referring to it as "TRT" if your levels were that high. When you say "Like most people on this board, I venture out of natty levels once or twice a year" - yeah, I realize that, but it's also no longer a TRT dose at that point. Again, I was just confused by the use of the label "TRT" in your scenario.

Thanks for clarifying.

True, I see what your saying now. Shouldn't have used TRT to describe it. Thanks for pointing that out @bickel29

 

[bickel29]

True, I see what your saying now. Shouldn't have used TRT to describe it. Thanks for pointing that out @bickel29

You got it, bud. Just trying to make sure that we're all speaking the same language so that we can best assess/advise on your situation.

 

[Tinytim]

I don't get why A step levels go down while your test levels are up. The math is not right

 

[Fryguy]

I was thinking either the EQ acted as an ai or lab error...

 

[bickel29]

How confident are we that all of the compounds listed (test, EQ, anavar I think you mentioned) are what they are labelled as?

Is it possible that your EQ was not EQ?

Also, were you on anything shortly before that 10/26/18 blood draw that might have been still in your system suppressing estro?

 

[Fryguy]

Test had analysis from the same batch by someone else and was good

Anavar I sent to @janoshik and was underdosed in that cap

EQ? Idk first time I've ran it, side effects seemed to be in line with what I've read

I did run DNP somewhere in there and gh for a 6 month run stopped about 6 months ago.

Some other info- I've had back acne since I started TRT. I was originally taking .25mg adex per week and my readings came back 15pg/mL last may. I stopped taking it and have not had any high estrogen sides. I'm going for new labs soon and I'll post those too. If my estrogen is back up I really dont know what else it could be besides EQ or a lab error.