EU domestic source talk

[nyakibacsi]

Which manufacturer has been the best one you’ve ever used? (I’m only talking about testosterone.)
I’ve been using testosterone continuously for several years at a proper dose that still gives me very good and relatively healthy blood work.
I don’t use anything else – no peptides, no DHT derivatives.
(Only HCG and exemestane.)
Over the years I’ve tried a lot of manufacturers, and to be honest, I’m not satisfied with about 90% of them.
Many manufacturers use industrial-grade BB, BA, and oils instead of pharmaceutical-grade ones, and even if the dosing is correct, they still cause PIP – sometimes so severe that even walking becomes difficult.
Another common issue is that there’s barely any active compound in the product, on top of using poor-quality solvents and oils.
Out of all the oils I’ve used, Chilton clearly stood out as the best I’ve ever tried, but unfortunately they are no longer active, at least when it comes to oils.
Pharmaqo was also good at one point, but over time the quality declined there as well.
Viogen unfortunately doesn’t ship to my country.
Opti (Unique), Driada, Deus, Ultima, Pharmacom, Astera – I was disappointed in all of them and I would never use them again.
For years now, I’ve been focused on finding the perfect manufacturer who actually produces their products properly.
I recently ordered cypionate from Venom and I have very high hopes for it, but I’d be curious to hear other people’s experiences.
Which manufacturer is your absolute TOP 1, the one you’re truly satisfied with?
Price doesn’t matter at all if the quality is there – I just ask you to share your real experiences.
Dutch, Blitz maybe?
Thank you!

 

[IndividualMan]

Which manufacturer has been the best one you’ve ever used? (I’m only talking about testosterone.)
I’ve been using testosterone continuously for several years at a proper dose that still gives me very good and relatively healthy blood work.
I don’t use anything else – no peptides, no DHT derivatives.
(Only HCG and exemestane.)
Over the years I’ve tried a lot of manufacturers, and to be honest, I’m not satisfied with about 90% of them.
Many manufacturers use industrial-grade BB, BA, and oils instead of pharmaceutical-grade ones, and even if the dosing is correct, they still cause PIP – sometimes so severe that even walking becomes difficult.
Another common issue is that there’s barely any active compound in the product, on top of using poor-quality solvents and oils.
Out of all the oils I’ve used, Chilton clearly stood out as the best I’ve ever tried, but unfortunately they are no longer active, at least when it comes to oils.
Pharmaqo was also good at one point, but over time the quality declined there as well.
Viogen unfortunately doesn’t ship to my country.
Opti (Unique), Driada, Deus, Ultima, Pharmacom, Astera – I was disappointed in all of them and I would never use them again.
For years now, I’ve been focused on finding the perfect manufacturer who actually produces their products properly.
I recently ordered cypionate from Venom and I have very high hopes for it, but I’d be curious to hear other people’s experiences.
Which manufacturer is your absolute TOP 1, the one you’re truly satisfied with?
Price doesn’t matter at all if the quality is there – I just ask you to share your real experiences.
Dutch, Blitz maybe?
Thank you!

dutch has some reports of pip/sterile abcesses.
Venom or blitz's apex brand are your best shot atm, albeit Venom is definitely superior when it comes to the quality of the oil ATM due to the current apex batch being Castor+ EO instead of just castor or just MIG812N

 

[safet]

Blitz right now is just rebranded medi pharma IMHO

 

[Crystal Clear]

Which manufacturer has been the best one you’ve ever used? (I’m only talking about testosterone.)
I’ve been using testosterone continuously for several years at a proper dose that still gives me very good and relatively healthy blood work.
I don’t use anything else – no peptides, no DHT derivatives.
(Only HCG and exemestane.)
Over the years I’ve tried a lot of manufacturers, and to be honest, I’m not satisfied with about 90% of them.
Many manufacturers use industrial-grade BB, BA, and oils instead of pharmaceutical-grade ones, and even if the dosing is correct, they still cause PIP – sometimes so severe that even walking becomes difficult.
Another common issue is that there’s barely any active compound in the product, on top of using poor-quality solvents and oils.
Out of all the oils I’ve used, Chilton clearly stood out as the best I’ve ever tried, but unfortunately they are no longer active, at least when it comes to oils.
Pharmaqo was also good at one point, but over time the quality declined there as well.
Viogen unfortunately doesn’t ship to my country.
Opti (Unique), Driada, Deus, Ultima, Pharmacom, Astera – I was disappointed in all of them and I would never use them again.
For years now, I’ve been focused on finding the perfect manufacturer who actually produces their products properly.
I recently ordered cypionate from Venom and I have very high hopes for it, but I’d be curious to hear other people’s experiences.
Which manufacturer is your absolute TOP 1, the one you’re truly satisfied with?
Price doesn’t matter at all if the quality is there – I just ask you to share your real experiences.
Dutch, Blitz maybe?
Thank you!

I think if all these brands are a problem for you it’s most likely a YOU problem. I have used Driada, DEUS and Opti all 3 always good without complaints. The other manufacturers you name are very big brands too, and products of them should be g2g in general.

 

[nyakibacsi]

I think if all these brands are a problem for you it’s most likely a YOU problem. I have used Driada, DEUS and Opti all 3 always good without complaints. The other manufacturers you name are very big brands too, and products of them should be g2g in general.

The problem should not be understood as if it doesn’t work at all. But I see this has become complicated for you to understand.
Last time the Driada Sustanon was contaminated, while the enanthate worked perfectly, just like the propionate I used from them. Then the next batch caused such severe PIP that I couldn’t train that body part for days.
From the tests performed by Madsen, it’s clear that they are often problematic.
The Ultima cypionate had to be heated about 10 times because it kept recrystallizing, even though I heated it properly to 60°C and not a single visible crystal remained.
They also had oil contaminated with heavy metals, just like Beligas most recently.
Deus Asterra is an Indian brand where sterility is not the top priority.
I explained at the very beginning that the issue was generally not dosing-related, except with the Unique brand, which I sent for testing today.
If the problem were with me, then reputable brands like Chilton, Pharmaqo, and Cytoph (available in my country) wouldn’t have failed either.
I used Atlas for 2 years, which was also perfect.
But seeing the recent raw material test results and some photos of the new vials, where there is a large brown spot inside, I honestly wouldn’t feel comfortable using them.
My priority is no longer just proper dosing, growing as big as possible, and not caring about anything else — such as guaiacol, high amounts of EO, or poor-quality solvents and oils — but rather ensuring that my blood work remains perfect even years from now and, if possible, avoiding contaminated, low-quality oils.
With proper supplements and hydration, kidney and liver damage develops very slowly if you don’t have any underlying conditions and, in my case, you only use testosterone (no oral compounds, trenbolone, etc.).
But if the oil is contaminated, this can happen in a very short time.
I’ve attached a few photos of the new Atlas cyp and Test E vials.

 

[Volvo]

Chat is there any DNP source that isnt VSL? (the concerns with VSL are uh hard to understate)

 

[IndividualMan]

Chat is there any DNP source that isnt VSL? (the concerns with VSL are uh hard to understate)

not EU domestic, for INT sources Panda has some DNP (or so he says)

 

[es1989]

Chat is there any DNP source that isnt VSL? (the concerns with VSL are uh hard to understate)

I have had a good experience using the @VSL Research VSL product, even though I was initially quite skeptical. I used it twice, and both times the results were very good (I used it for the last % of stubborn fat - under 8% body fat). The dose was between 350 and 400 mg. Communication was also good. I have nothing negative to say. This is just my personal opinion!